Yeah, I'd say so.
Grapple is an "attack".
It's still an attack option.
That's why I put it in quotations.
Are you saying that you can avoid a sword attack, but not someone trying to grab you?
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You gain DR 10/magic, immune to any poison, sneak attacks, or critical hit effect from that attack.
You do not gain incorporeal ability.
If your opponent does not overcome the DR, flavor-wise, it is because of your vaporous and insubstantial form. Mechanically, you simply have DR.
You can still be grappled, tripped, bull rushed, dirty tricked, repositioned and just plain ol' attacked. Combat maneuvers are at an advantage because they do not have to contend with DR whereas a normal attack must defeat DR10/magic to do any damage.
Okay, that's my fault. I didn't read the spell completely.
I apologize, my bad.
It's still an attack option.
That's why I put it in quotations.Are you saying that you can avoid a sword attack, but not someone trying to grab you?
Yes, but look at what the spell actually does. It grants you DR vs a single attack. So it would let you avoid any damage resulting from a grapple maneuver. it wouldn't, however, let you avoid the grapple itself.
Yes, but look at what the spell actually does. It grants you DR vs a single attack. So it would let you avoid any damage resulting from a grapple maneuver. it wouldn't, however, let you avoid the grapple itself.It's still an attack option.
That's why I put it in quotations.Are you saying that you can avoid a sword attack, but not someone trying to grab you?
If you look, you see that I say I didn't read it all the way through.
That's what I get for not reading! :D
I've had many discussions with my GM and my pathfinder group as a whole about this spell. The wording isn't very clear, but I believe I understand how it works now.
Duration: Instantaneous
You respond to an attack by briefly becoming vaporous and insubstantial, allowing the attack to pass harmlessly through you. You gain DR 10/magic against this attack and are immune to any poison, sneak attacks, or critical hit effect from that attack.The spell says you briefly become vaporous and insubstantial. Its not saying that just to add flavor to the text, it really means you become vaporous and insubstantial.
So....What this means is any physical based attacks WILL pass thru you harmlessly. Where the DR 10/magic comes into play is when you are targeted by magic.
Example: A fireball lands at your feet. You take damage after applying the DR 10/magic.
Example2: You are targeted by a magic missile spell. You take damage after applying the DR 10/magic.
Example3: You are in the middle of an burning hands spell. You take damage after applying the DR 10/magic.
Example4: Mr. Orc swings at you with his 2-handed axe. You are insubstantial and it passes thru you harmlessly.
Example5: Mr. 10th level fighter takes a chop at you with his +2 long sword. You are insubstantial and it passes thru you harmlessly.
So for your example: The grappler tries to grab you and his arms pass thru you without making contact.
Sorry but you are way off on a few things here.
It never says physical attacks bypass you harmlessly and if it meant that you could only be harmed by magic weapons, why would it give you DR/magic?
Example 1: DR never applies to spell damage such as this. You would need resistance to fire or something to take damage off the fireball.
Example 2: Magic missile can only be stopped by Spell resistance or a Shield spell or some other defense like that but not DR.
Example 3: See example 1
Example 4: If the orc hits you, you take the damage minus 10 points, ie DR/magic.
Example 5: You take damage as normal on a hit.
Sorry to say this but you don't seem to know what the rules about DR are and how the wording of a spell is applied. Windy Escape does nothing to stop a grapple.
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@darthslash
"You respond to an attack by briefly becoming vaporous and insubstantial, allowing the attack to pass harmlessly through you."
This tells us how the spell looks.
"You gain DR 10/magic against this attack and are immune to any poison, sneak attacks, or critical hit effect from that attack."
This tells us how the spell works.
If you do not do enough damage to overcome the DR, the description is what allows us to describe what exactly what happened and why.
Player:
"I did 9 points of damage with my greatsword!"
GM:
"Your sword slashes at his misty form but has no effect on his insubstantial body."
OR
Player:
"I did 15 points of damage with my greatsword!"
GM:
"You hack mightily at his misty form...but the blow does not strike solidly--his vaporous body seems unaffected by most of the damage."
some very sensible things
Hendelbolaf is 100% correct here. Darthslash's analysis is built on a faulty understanding of the rules.
The rules state that the attack passes harmlessly through you. It then also add the 10/magic and other immunities; all of this identical someone in gaseous form.
The devs have ruled that you can't grapple someone who is in this state.
They even go so far as to say "that's obvious and we shouldn't need to state that in the rules."
It never actually states you go incorporeal.
Yes, the first sentence is poorly-written. I think if you were intended to be incorporeal or in gaseous form, it would've said so.
It states you become insubstantial and that attacks pass through you.
So if you do as the spell states, then you can't be grappled.
In addition, you gain 10/magic DR and several immunities.
Why would you need damage reduction and the other immunities if the attack doesn't even affect you?
Why would it be necessary to say all the other stuff, if it couldn't even touch you?
Why would you need damage reduction and the other immunities if the attack doesn't even affect you?
Why would it be necessary to say all the other stuff, if it couldn't even touch you?
For the same reasons you get those exact benefits from gaseous form. It's a way of defining things that can still do damage to you despite being insubstantial.
Even if it did let you take a gaseous form, it doesn't matter.
The effects of this spell only apply to ONE attack. One.
The first sentence is poorly-placed fluff.
The actual benefits of the spell are;
"You gain DR 10/magic against this attack and are immune to any poison, sneak attacks, or critical hit effect from that attack."