Using Wish to permanently change weapon size?

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Is this a reasonable use of Wish?

Basically, say you have a Small Longsword +5 that was weilded by a Halfling. Could Wish be used to permanently change it into a Medium Longsword +5 that a human could use?

A DM I played under recently actually allowed Limited Wish to permanently change a Crossbow into a Longbow. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable use, and I'm usually the DM and like to go with all the facts before I do something like that.

[Talcrion]

Sounds like a rather weak use to me, I'd allow it.

[Lazurin Arborlon]

Could be the weakest use of wish I have ever heard.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Weak, eh? In that case, Limited Wish would suffice?

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

It's a ~25k gp use of Wish, but you have to use a 25k gp diamond to cast it, net gain is no real net worth.

Seems a very reasonable use of the spell, as you effectively gain nothing.

[Rubber Ducky guy]

I would allow limited wish to combine permency and lead blades into the one effect for 4,000gp.

RAW it wouldn't work as your combining two spells and permanency doesn't work on lead blades, but I think it has merrits under rule 0

[Some Random Dood]

DreamGoddessLindsey wrote:

Weak, eh? In that case, Limited Wish would suffice?

I'd allow it. Spending 25k just to increase the size of a weapon sounds a bit much to me.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Thanks!

[Avatar-1]

It might be a problem if you say "I wish for my weapon to be as big as me!"

[Ravingdork]

You could have created a new, appropriately-sized +5 weapon for nearly the same price.

[Mojorat]

Wish will basically do an if check when used.

So wish is made it then. Goes throug the specific spell effects if the wishcan be accomplished with any of those effects it will use one of those.

In this case the wish would apply polymorph any object to the sword.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Well, the question I asked it for wasn't for something as cheap and is in epic levels.

Basically, the fighter learned the Monkey Grip and Wield Oversized Weapon feats (from the old Epic rules). He had an Obdurium Courageous Greatsword +8 (Obdurium is being used as a substance stronger and denser than Adamantine that counts as a size category bigger without being bigger, though you have to have a Strength of 25 naturally to use it) and wanted to make it Huge since he can use it with those feats and would get a damage boost. The cost of the weapon is over 1.5 million gold and he didn't wanna have to start from scratch. To wit, he would do damage as if his greatsword were Gargantuan (4d8 instead of 2d6).

So I ended up letting Limited Wish do it. Should it actually be Wish after all then, as Mojorat says?

While we're at it, what about using a Limited Wish or Wish to turn an item for one slot into an item for another, all else being equal? One character wants to turn his Cape that gives +5 deflection to AC and +5 resistance to saves (87,500gp) into like a Mantle that does the same because a recent treasure was a Cloak of Alluring Charisma +12 and he wants to use it. Limited Wish or Wish for that one?

[The Black Bard]

Dispel magic + polymorph any object. Carries some weaknesses, such as sproinging back if subjected to antimagic.

Or, as I prefer, an incantation from the d20pfsrd - variant rules - magic section. Great for any effect a player might want that isn't middle of combat time sensitive and is reasonable because MAGIC.

[Mojorat]

I cited poly morph object bevause it does exactly what the op wanted with no rules ambiguity with regards to how wish applies its effects. From a world creation point of view changing an objects proprties so permanently it can't be dispelled or disappear in an am field is basically artifact level magic.

This isn't to say I thi k chanfing weapon size for 25 thousand gold is op it isn't. But it falls into the something bad can go wronh catagory if the effrct is atronger thsn polymorph sny objec.

[Mathius]

I think this very reasonable but mojorat points out a RAW way to do it. Is there no way to just transfer the enchantment from one to another? Might such an epic level item not like being changed?

[Damon Griffin]

Or you could use a 1st level spell with no material components.

[Harrison]

Damon Griffin wrote:

Or you could use a 1st level spell with no material components.

Not a bad idea, but if the GM isn't allowing 3PP, then it's not so helpful.

[Elbedor]

Harrison wrote:

Damon Griffin wrote:

Or you could use a 1st level spell with no material components.

Not a bad idea, but if the GM isn't allowing 3PP, then it's not so helpful.

If he doesn't, there is always the Independent Research option. :)

[Cap. Darling]

I would allow it with wish as a instantanious effect. Pehaps as a permanent one with limited wish.
And if the same trick was to be used in combat to try and shrink or growing someones weapon i would allow a will save to negate.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

I'm a she, but I do allow reasonable third party stuff, and I encourage independent research. I allowed five Harry Potter spells in (Avada Kedavra, Imperio, Crucio, Expelliarmus, and Expecto Patronum). I also have new evocation spells allowed. Here are a couple of examples.

Thundaga
School evocation [electricity] Level Sorcerer/Wizard 7, Witch 7
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, F (the caster's weapon)
Range long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area 40-ft.-radius spread
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Reflex half; see text
Spell Resistance yes

This spell causes a massive electrical boom that fries everything in its area. The burst of lightning bolts deals 1d6 points of electricity damage per caster level (maximum 20d6). In addition, anyone who fails the saving throw is stunned by the shock for 1d4 rounds.

Aeroga
School evocation [air] Level Sorcerer/Wizard 8, Witch 8, Druid 8
Casting Time 1 full-round round
Components V, S
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area cylinder (40-ft. radius, 80 ft. high)
Duration 3 rounds
Saving Throw Fortitude half
Spell Resistance yes

This spell causes a massive tornado to spawn over a wide area for several rounds. Those in the area of effect are propelled aloft and suspended in the air as damage is dealt each round. Victims take 1d6 points of damage per two caster levels (maximum 10d6) each round. Those who successfully resist the spell are not pulled off the ground. Flight and ranged attacks are impossible inside the tornado.

At the end of the spell, victims fall 1d8x10 feet, take the appropriate damage, and are prone.

Love custom content. I just also like to keep well within the normal rules as well.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Oh, I've also put Kido spells from Bleach in the game, such as this one:

Dankū
School abjuration [force] Level Sorcerer 8
Casting Time 1 immediate action
Components V, S
Range personal
Targets you
Duration concentration
Saving Throw none
Spell Resistance no

Bakudō # 81: Dankū (Splitting Void). A defensive wall is created to protect against an enemy's attack. The practitioner creates a translucent barrier in the form of a large rectangular wall. According to Byakuya, it is capable of stopping Kidō-based attacks with power up to level 89. This is seen when Aizen uses it to block Tessai's Hadō #88.

One of the few spells usable as an immediate action, the shield created by this kido is able to stop any spell of level 8 or lower (or any kido up to level 89). It can even block spreads, bursts, and emanations, preventing spells from even going around the barrier.

[Elbedor]

DreamGoddessLindsey wrote:

I'm a she.

That part I assumed. What I missed was mention that you were the GM. heh

[MrCab]

Ravingdork wrote:

You could have created a new, appropriately-sized +5 weapon for nearly the same price.

Actually, a new +5 weapon would cost twice as much at 50K. Spending a pidly 25K on a Wish to change the base weapon seems like a good idea economically.

Really it's up to you if you want to allow it. That said, permanently changing the size of a weapon seems like a reasonable thing to do with a wish.

[Ravingdork]

Huh? A +5 enhancement bonus has a market price of 50,000gp--25,000gp if you make it yourself.

Hence, using wish in this fashion is largely a waste.

[cmastah]

Ravingdork wrote:

Huh? A +5 enhancement bonus has a market price of 50,000gp--25,000gp if you make it yourself.

Hence, using wish in this fashion is largely a waste.

Alternatively, in a pinch, you could cast wish and make a foe's oversized weapon one size category larger and now he can't use it :P

[MrCab]

Ravingdork wrote:

Huh? A +5 enhancement bonus has a market price of 50,000gp--25,000gp if you make it yourself.

Hence, using wish in this fashion is largely a waste.

Good point! The wish does at least still save the cost of the base masterwork weapon though. Those 308 gold pieces might come in handy!

Of course this assumes someone has craft magic arms and armor, and has 50 days of free time to enchant the new weapon (minus the time whatever coperative crafting feats they have might have saves). The wish is instantaneous.

cmastah wrote:

Alternatively, in a pinch, you could cast wish and make a foe's oversized weapon one size category larger and now he can't use it :P

As an attended object, I'm guessing the opponent's weapon would receive a save against this effect.