So I've been running a game of Wrath of the Righteous and have recently learned one of my players is thinking of getting the leadership feat so that the cohort can be a cleric to help supply the party with some much needed healing and buffs. I'm fine with the PC getting the leadership feat, but I'm worried about the cohort being easily killed later on in the adventure path, once the PCs have both high levels and 5 or so mythic ranks.
So I was just wondering if anyone had any sort of advice as to how to make it at least possible for the cohort to stay alive in the later adventures, or if I need to worry about it at all in the first place.
Thanks in advance!
If the cohort dies, the cohort dies. The PCs will learn to keep their cohorts safe.
If you want to stick with the official Mythic rules, then Leadership allows you to have a Mythic Cohort. However, the Mythic Tiers of the Mythic Cohort count as half a level each, so if you're level 7, then the highest level your Mythic Cohort could be is level 4 with 2 tiers.
I've no idea. There aren't rules on it; I'm just pointing out how the Mythic Tiers are considered half a level in the rules. And it also depends on the GM.
One thing that I plan on doing is having GMPCs and any Mythic Cohorts require twice the number of Trials to get a new Mythic Tier as the players. Thus to get to Tier 2, they need 2 Trials. Tier 3 and 4 would require 4 trials each. And so forth. This will ensure that a Cohort or GMPC doesn't outshine the heroes.
But that's my own personal houserule.
Anyone know what mythic leadership from the missing mythic core feats looks like?** spoiler omitted **
I get how it works rulewise, but what about in game? Let's take this Ap.
It means the PCS find/recruit creatures that are mythic and wants to assist them? (Like a mythic unicorn or good outsiders send my their gods to guide them in their grown as mythic heroes?) Or is more like they transfer part of their mythic powers to other allies, making mythic themself? Like giving Irabeth her well deserved first Tier?
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I would say it's more than likely a combination of both. Your cohort perhaps felt a divine calling to seek you out and aid in your task, and you granted them a small portion of your mythic power so they might help you in the task.
I really don't see a necessity for an additional feat. It basically means your cohort is underpowered (potentially fatally underpowered, depending on your party's current Mythic Tier) until you gain enough levels to pick up the mythic version of Leadership, at which point, poof! He's mythic. Good job hiding in the corner for two levels.
I think it should work fine if the cohort remains at the standard cohort level. Obviously their Mythic Tier should have a similar cap as their class level. No higher than your own tier -2 seems fitting. That means a paladin 10/marshal 6 could have a cohort who's a fighter 8/champion 4. The paladin is effectively level 13, while his cohort is effectively level 10.
This might, at first glance, seem to be a pretty wide disparity, but if their tier and levels continue to grow at the standard rate, the gap will never be more than three levels (the paladin's effective level at 20th with all 10 MT's would be 25; the cohort, at fighter 18/champion 8, is 22). This way, your cohort remains within a comparable range of effective power to standard Leadership in a non-mythic setting, and still has mythic power at his or her disposal to defend against mythic threats that would otherwise be looking at him or her as little more than a snack before the main course (roast paladin with a side of pan-seared asparagus).
Dangit, now I'm hungry.
I would say it's more than likely a combination of both. Your cohort perhaps felt a divine calling to seek you out and aid in your task, and you granted them a small portion of your mythic power so they might help you in the task.
I really don't see a necessity for an additional feat. It basically means your cohort is underpowered (potentially fatally underpowered, depending on your party's current Mythic Tier) until you gain enough levels to pick up the mythic version of Leadership, at which point, poof! He's mythic. Good job hiding in the corner for two levels.
I think it should work fine if the cohort remains at the standard cohort level. Obviously their Mythic Tier should have a similar cap as their class level. No higher than your own tier -2 seems fitting. That means a paladin 10/marshal 6 could have a cohort who's a fighter 8/champion 4. The paladin is effectively level 13, while his cohort is effectively level 10.
This might, at first glance, seem to be a pretty wide disparity, but if their tier and levels continue to grow at the standard rate, the gap will never be more than three levels (the paladin's effective level at 20th with all 10 MT's would be 25; the cohort, at fighter 18/champion 8, is 22). This way, your cohort remains within a comparable range of effective power to standard Leadership in a non-mythic setting, and still has mythic power at his or her disposal to defend against mythic threats that would otherwise be looking at him or her as little more than a snack before the main course (roast paladin with a side of pan-seared asparagus).
Dangit, now I'm hungry.
I think it should be like half of the mythic tier. We don't want Irabeth start granting spells soon, right?
Think back for a second for the closest we've seen of a mythic hero and his sidekick: Hercules, the Legendary Adventures. His companion and sidekick was not Mythic in the least. And it ended up getting him killed.
So too with Cohorts of Mythic Heroes. You're going to get yourself killed with these Mythic heroes. Well, unless you take a backseat roll - a cleric who focuses on healing and buffs (and probably uses Sanctuary a lot), or an archer or the like. They stay back, they avoid being in combat, and they play a role after the fight is over. Otherwise, they die.
Of course, death being cheap in Golarion and Pathfinder, the mythic hero can just bring back their dead buddy, but hey.
Jason is the iconic "Mythic Leader," for certain. He had plenty of mythic characters underneath him, and the legend of "Jason and the Argonauts" is basically the Greek version of a crossover series.
Heracles would very likely be a Mythic character who was part of a mythic adventuring group with Jason and the others.
We're talking the TV series, not the mythology.
I'd actually script Hercules from the TV Series as a Brawler from the playtest rules.
So I was just wondering if anyone had any sort of advice as to how to make it at least possible for the cohort to stay alive in the later adventures, or if I need to worry about it at all in the first place.
If you want to mitigate the lack of Mythic Tiers on the cohort, I suggest having the cohort take Mythic Companion as one of their feats and having the PC take Mythic Companion as one of their Path Abilities. WOW, those shouldn't have the same name.
That should protect them from "hurt non-mythic" type abilities and give them the option of surging to get through a good attack or save when needed without having to shoe-horn in why they might be as legendary as the PCs.
Prerequisite: You must be non-mythic.
Benefit: You're considered a mythic creature for the purposes of determining how mythic spells and effects affect you. If you ever become mythic, you gain a +1 bonus on all saves against mythic spells and effects.
A better question could be how to interprete mythic leadership in regard of otherworldy beings, like good outsiders or dragons.
I can easily picture divine beings sending such beings to watch over such promising mortals. Which new options for cohort should be allowed for them, i ask?