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Dear third party publishers,
Would one of you please publish a book, and, by book, I mean a single page, and on that page, please print the original version of Crane Wing. You're our only hope to save Pathfinder from the tyranny of Jason Bulmahn. Plus, you'll make a lot of money!
Your friend,
Sebastian
Damn you, pony lover! You HAD to link to this. And now I'm hungry for wings.
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What does that mean?
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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We understand that the changes are going to cause debate, and this has not been the easiest thing to sort out. Let's try to get things de-escalated here, please.
Thank you. When I mentioned this debate to most of my other gamer friends, their reaction was "what does Crane Wing do?" I think there's an overwhelming silent majority that is absolutely indifferent to this feat and the change, but it's really hard to post and say "this is a non-issue and I don't really care" when people are proclaiming it to be the worst thing to happen to the hobby since 4e. Please don't lose sight of the fact that most of us don't care, and that this is primarily a proxy for those who rail against the alleged martial/caster disparity. Sure, you could change the feat back, but that's not what they really want or what they're really asking for. To adequately address the real issue underlying this reaction would require a new edition of Pathfinder, and raising that issue will likely wake the sleeping giant that is the silent majority.
Good luck sorting it out. I don't envy you having inherited WotC's most vocal audience members along with the crown of being the top rpg, but it looks like you can't have one without the other.
Whether I like crane wing or the errata or not, cant I point out that unless your playing in PFS, you can just house rule it or ignore the errata if you don't like it?
Likely people who speak against the errata already do. Similarly, people nerfed crane wing with houserules before. What does suck is that what is RAW can set precedent for people who aren't you, and ideally they do look for feedback, though occasionally the peasants do revolt and some malcontent from other things seeps through.
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While I don't think the vitrol is deserved. It needs to be heard. Imo they keep making the same errata mistakes over and over. Once, twice three times I can ignore it. When it seems to happen more often than not when they tamper with the rules. Well my patience with such errors while not gone is wearing thin. It's as if they never learn imo.
Have to agree with this. After the 20th time they've screwed something up that pissed off most of the forum, then caused the usual flamewars once the fanboy inquisition jumped to Holy Paizo's defense, you'd think they would rethink their errata policy to some degree.
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I mentioned this in one of the other crane wing threads but yea ruling like this, incomplete rules released into the wild and the general dumping on martials has made 3pp so much cash and i would contend for a sizable chunk of them are what make up their products along with original content.
This is true. I think as well that at this point the patience of the fanbase for these types of errata mistakes is wearing thin. Only so many times they can go "whoops we did it again" before a fan backlash. I hope it's a wakeup call because at this point I expect this type of errors from first year devs. Not six years into the development of PF. Yes i know they are human and make mistakes. At this point they should be able to work on problems with the rpg and errata easily. Not to say some errata was not good. The Antagonize feat needed it badly. If they are going to implement changes that affect people characters they need to stop tossing out rule changes into the wild and hope it work. They have made it so that chances are good I will never take Crane Womg as a feat. Probably never recommend it if asked. If I do take it it will be my last pick at mid to higher levels.
Maybe its part of paizo's strategy to release what they want to release and let the 3pp fix them at a later date. Who knows.
I would encourage yet not base a strategy around that. After awhile it kind of looks bad when 3pp are doing a better job than the main publisher. It also tends to highlight the amount of times they make mistakes with the errata as well imo.
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Have to agree with this. After the 20th time they've screwed something up that pissed off most of the forum, then caused the usual flamewars once the fanboy inquisition jumped to Holy Paizo's defense, you'd think they would rethink their errata policy to some degree.
That is why this time I'm more critical than usual. After a certain point and with six years of experiecne under their belts. Mistakes should be few if not none. As well you think with all the arguing that rules changes out of the blue without feedback from the fans cause. They would learn. They don't seem to imo. If standard procedure is altering rules without asking the fans first they can do it. Just don't expect a sizeable chunk of the fanbase to be happy. Espcially in this case where some players just got screwed with the change.
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*sits back and watches*
Its a good thing Paizo doesn't ever seem to go after us casters huh?
*eats popcorn and laughs as martials few toys is taken away*
First thing SKR has said about this situation!
EDIT: at least on the forums :P
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Hey guys,
*this is Planet Earth before the Crane Wing nerf*
*this is Planet Earth after the Crane Wing nerf*
Spot the difference.
Let me try: 15 seconds and 10–12 threads.
