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Well, this is kinda awesome.
The thrill!
After all this good PCRPG news this year already, that would top everything.
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All I would need is a Fallout style game set in Golarion to make me ecstatic. Anything more than that would be just that much more awesome.
Maybe they're going to adapt the system in Pillars of Eternity to reflect Pathfinder classes, and use it.
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A NWN or NWN2 builder program would be all that was necessary to send me over the top. But if all it turns out to be is a straightforward CRPG, I'll still be delighted! :)
Let's see first what they have come up with and how they are getting around the whole "OGL mechanics = not open for video games" problem. :)
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Another possibility is they could be making the pathfinder adventure card game into a computer game, similar to Magic The Gathering, and Warcraft's Hearthstone.
That said, i'd prefer a CRPG. by far.
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maybe tim cain will finally make the spiritual successor to TOEE, my mind might honestly explode if that happens
I wonder... will this game adapt Paizo's APs to a CRPG format? Or will it be something entirely new altogether?
Will it be 3D or isometric? Will it be a game at all (highly likely, but not yet confirmed)?
Let's see first what they have come up with and how they are getting around the whole "OGL mechanics = not open for video games" problem. :)Well, Temple of Elemental Evil used basically the 3.5 ruleset.
that was lincensed directly from hasbro/wizards at the time however, infact, they had access to the 3.5 rules even before they were made public.
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Another possibility is they could be making the pathfinder adventure card game into a computer game, similar to Magic The Gathering, and Warcraft's Hearthstone.
That said, i'd prefer a CRPG. by far.
You know what I say in life, why do you have to choose? Why not have both?
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Okay, analysis time:
1) What it WON'T be:
- Taking over the MMO (Lisa nixed that)
- Converting Pillars of Eternity to Pathfinder (they've put too much effort into their own rules, and would likely have a backer REVOLT if they tried it)
- A new Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter (WotC and others hold the rights to those)
2) What it MIGHT be:
- A new Golarion-set game, using Pillars' rules (Maybe, but seems unlikely, as it kind of undermines the PFRPG)
- The other way around: Paizo is publishing the tabletop version of the Pillars' RPG (this seems ALOT more likely to me)
Any other thoughts?
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Or both... hmmm...
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my only hope is that obsidain uses tim cain and creates a proper TB engine. using pathfinder with RTWP would be a tragedy.
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It's Rise of the Runelords: the side-scrolling adventure!
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Another possibility is they could be making the pathfinder adventure card game into a computer game, similar to Magic The Gathering, and Warcraft's Hearthstone.
That said, i'd prefer a CRPG. by far.
Not quite the same, as those are both COLLECTABLE card games. Pathfinder ACG isn't. Lisa didn't seem to rule it OUT, exactly, but that kind of project would be a bit of a waste for a developer with the RPG cred of Obsidian, wouldn't it?
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Also doesnt the license prevent using the d20 system in video games? Grrrr wish paizo or obsidian shed some light on this soon.I'm sure we'll find out this weekend.
Smart money's on Thursday in room 231 in the Indianapolis Convention Center, between 5 and 6 PM.
Cheers!
Landon
Oh look, I bought two tickets for that seminar months ago... ;D Can't wait. :)
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Obsidian, makers of KOTOR, Fallout: New Vegas and Pillars of Eternity + Pathfinder = ?
What chicanery! It's a complete fabrication! Totally Photoshopped! A hoax of the greatest proportions! You're being hornswoggled. Misled! Bamboozled. Duped. Flimflammed! Hoodwinked and defrauded! You have all bought a complete load of codswallop!
All will be revealed this weekend. Well, maybe not all. :)
Press release tomorrow. More details throughout the weekend. We are talking about more than one type of game. I think you guys will be happy. :)
Btw, they are NOT taking over Pathfinder Online. Let's squash that right now.
-Lisa
Oh. Er... carry on.
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Obsidian, makers of KOTOR, Fallout: New Vegas and Pillars of Eternity + Pathfinder = ?What chicanery! It's a complete fabrication! Totally Photoshopped! A hoax of the greatest proportions! You're being hornswoggled. Misled! Bamboozled. Duped. Flimflammed! Hoodwinked and defrauded! You have all bought a complete load of codswallop!
Oh. Er... carry on.All will be revealed this weekend. Well, maybe not all. :)
Press release tomorrow. More details throughout the weekend. We are talking about more than one type of game. I think you guys will be happy. :)
Btw, they are NOT taking over Pathfinder Online. Let's squash that right now.
-Lisa
This has to be one of the most entertaining and enlightening threads I've ever read here. : )
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I HAVE A BURNING NEED! IN MY LOINS FOR MORE DETAILS! OR I NEED TO SEE A DOCTOR!
Both?
Yay, another thing I used to like that Obsidian got their grubby little hands on.
After all the games I enjoyed (bar Alpha Protocol, that didn't have a "prequel") that Obsidian completely ruined, I can't wait to see what they'll do with Pathfinder.
And here I was hoping they would quietly implode and nobody would ever talk about them again...
Seriously, this is one of those kind of news I broke out in hysterical laughter from. Behold, Obsidian strikes again. Question is: how will they mess up this time?
(By the way, I'm all with Hardwool from earlier in this thread on this one)
Mask of the betrayer was excellent. However was is most important is that Tim Cain the man responsible for the paragon of 3.5 ruleset games now resides at obsidian, and the possiblity that we may finally get the spiritual successor to TOEE makes this the most exciting annoucement in a loooooooooooong time.
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Yay, another thing I used to like that Obsidian got their grubby little hands on.
After all the games I enjoyed (bar Alpha Protocol, that didn't have a "prequel") that Obsidian completely ruined, I can't wait to see what they'll do with Pathfinder.
And here I was hoping they would quietly implode and nobody would ever talk about them again...
Seriously, this is one of those kind of news I broke out in hysterical laughter from. Behold, Obsidian strikes again. Question is: how will they mess up this time?(By the way, I'm all with Hardwool from earlier in this thread on this one)
What is with the hate on for Obsidian? Here's who we're talking about:
Feargus Urquhart: Lead Designer of Fallout 2, director of Baldur's Gate, Producer of Baldur's Gate 2.
Chris Avellone: Lead Designer of PLANESCAPE: TORMENT.
Darren L. Monahan: Programmer of Icewind Dale, Icewind Dale 2.
Seriously. Check out their bios. If you don't like their stuff, you don't like CRPGs. As for bugs, I'll give you that, but Obsidian has been screwed over so hard by the big game companies it nearly killed the entire genre. They had, what, a year to get KOTOR 2 out the door? Now that Kickstarter lets them get out games without getting rushed, the sky is the freaking LIMIT!
Be as it might, you see NOTHING of what they did in the past in what they do now.
And saying that I don't liek CRPGs because I don't like Obsidian's stuff... seriously?
I loved all those games (Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Torment, Icewind Dale 1 and 2) to death (never really got into Fallout 2, sadly) and all the games I've played from Obsidian (not counting Stick of Truth, haven't played that) they were a HUGE letdown with bad storytelling, worse characters and absolutely weird and incomplete questlines.
By the way: Bioware used to be someone as well, look at them now. What you did in the past is by now way an indicator of your present.
Edit: I didn't even complain about the bugs. Because for me they were never an issue. I always bought their games when they were mostly patched. It's all about the content. And don't start with the publisher-excuse. That's old and worn out and it's something I will always, ALWAYS think of when I think Obsidian (Obsidian? The guys who are always blaming their publisher?)
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SQUEE!!!! Please be a CRPG. Please be a CRPG.Please be a CRPG. Please be a CRPG.
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Be as it might, you see NOTHING of what they did in the past in what they do now.
And saying that I don't liek CRPGs because I don't like Obsidian's stuff... seriously?
I loved all those games (Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Torment, Icewind Dale 1 and 2) to death (never really got into Fallout 2, sadly) and all the games I've played from Obsidian (not counting Stick of Truth, haven't played that) they were a HUGE letdown with bad storytelling, worse characters and absolutely weird and incomplete questlines.
By the way: Bioware used to be someone as well, look at them now. What you did in the past is by now way an indicator of your present.
Not sure why [games you liked] aren't a good indicator of quality, but [games you hated] IS a good indicator of crap? Point being, you just can't reasonably say that the people who made Baldur's Gate 2 aren't capable of making quality games.
Out of curiosity, if you got to pick a developer to make your ideal CRPG, who would it be? Who's stuff don't you hate?
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Alpha Protocol: Blergh
You know, Alpha Protocol had SO MUCH promise? I really, really wanted to like that game. That was definitely a case of just slightly taking on more than they could chew. Playing it, you could see what they were trying to do, they just couldn't quite pull it off. Arcanum (though that was Troika, not Obsidian) was the same way.
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Bioware's doing pretty amazingly, in my opinion.
Oh c'mon!
I really, really liked all those old games, I grew up with them. But the past is the past and the "new" games can't hold up to that standard. I don't hate these games, I just think they are of poor quality.
I played KOTOR 2 directly after I played KOTOR twice in a row. I was terribly disappointed by the characters that failed to grip me. By the bad guy I knew from the start that they were the bad guy. By weird questlines. The romance. The good ending. That the story failed to motivate. How they reintroduced Carth. And how they "improved" the minigames.
I don't even want to talk about NWN2. I spent months playing NWN with SOU and HOTU and I tormented myself with NWN2 and all those poor written characters. I thought it was the German synchro, bought it last year from GOG with all add-ons and, well... I still can't get the Greater Dispel Magic spamming Goblins and all those poor quest-lines (the Tyr Trial, ARGH!) out of my head.
And Fallout: New Vegas... Let's not even go there (by the way, I watched my husband playing the first two Fallouts, so at least I know what's going on there).
I don't HATE Obsidian, I just think they don't deserve all the praise they receive.
At the moment, the only developers I would pick are Larian. I was pretty impressed with their Divinity game. Bethesda aren't really the right thing and I lost my trust in Bioware. At the moment it is really difficult, but I wouldn't pick Obsidian if I wanted a quality product. If I wanted something all the fans would rave over, then I guess Obsidian is a solid choice.
Although I don't get it.
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Bioware's doing pretty amazingly, in my opinion.
I have to say, after EA introduced Origin I lost track of them. I so wanted to play Mass Effect 3 but... :(
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Bioware's doing pretty amazingly, in my opinion.
I've become a little disillusioned with bioware. dragon age 2 was not very good.
mass effect 3 was barely an RPG anymore
ever since the take over by EA they seem more concerned with production values rather than gameplay or substance. dragon age inquisition is going to be a big game for them. they lost a lot of fans with dragon age 2. why they so radically changed there biggest selling game ever, I will never understand.
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KOTOR 2: Flawed gem kicked in the nuts by publishers.
NWN2: Great!
Alpha Protocol: Blergh
Dungeon Siege III: OK, I guess
Fallout: New Vegas: *drools*: on the floor: Old World Blues: best DLC evah
South Park: "The 89% average rating game"
NVN 2 is ok
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Bioware's doing pretty amazingly, in my opinion.I've become a little disillusion with bioware. dragon age 2 was not that great.
the mass effects became less RPG's as the series went on.
ever since the take over by EA they seem more concerned with production values rather than gameplay or substance. dragon age inquisition is going to be a big game for them. they lost a lot of fans with dragon age 2. why they so radically changed there biggest selling game ever, I will never understand.
I liked Dragon Age 2. It experimented with unreliable narrators, dynamic character development, and using actual tragedy, rather than faux-tragedy where you still save the world in the end, as a narrative structure. I don't think it entirely succeeded (and I have a lot of issues around the gameplay, limited maps, and so on), but it was thrilling to see a AAA game actually try something new story-wise, for once. Dragon Age: Origins did a great job of introducing the world, but plot-wise, it was pretty cookie-cutter.
As for why they'd change their best-selling game ever, presumably because they wanted to experiment, and were in a secure position to do so.
As for the Mass Effect trilogy, I'm not sure why you'd classify it as "less [an] RPG." Could you clarify?
I'm one of those few who loved DA2 despite its flaws. All though, I have bought every Dynasty Warriors since 4, so people say I have terrible taste...
I'm pretty sure DA2 didn't really lose Bioware any fans, the vocal minority just blew up.
You know, like how these forums work.
I'm extremely wary about it being Obsidian. Neverwinter Nights 2 was a pretty buggy mess when it was first released, especially regarding the online component (and I found the single player very hit and miss for reasons mentioned above). A lot of their games are released that way and take numerous patches to get up to what they really should have been at release.
Consider me extremely hopeful but also at this point cautious and reserved in my expectations...