As far as multiclassing goes, Ninja is Rogue, period. Therefore you can not multiclass ninja and slayer, period. This is a question that the Devs will not answer because the answer is obvious.
At least for the playtest, I expect and hope that the rule against multiclassing hybrids with their parent classes goes away.
Ravingdork wrote: But it DOES say "from this playtest."
I don't see how you can just ignore that. It is clearly only referring to the classes within the playtest, the classes from the core rulebook, and no others.
Ok i will say it. Even if i dont really belive it, but curious i am.
Yes you can do it!l there is no problem with multiclassing the Ninja with any class in the playtest. And is some of the other kids call you names? Just tell them i said it was ok.
The issue here is that while the intended rules are clearly that you shouldn't be able to multiclass two alternate classes, the rules that are written down don't say that. I can't speak for others, but (usually) the only reason I point things like this out is to make sure somebody notices it so the rules can be changed before they're finalized. I'm not arguing that we should ignore the intended rules, I'm pointing out that the written rules do not match what is obviously intended, and that somebody might want to fix that before it's printed.
Although I'll admit that, in this case, I still don't see anything wrong with being able to multiclass alternate classes. I have yet to see an unbalanced combination pointed out, and it's not like there aren't unbalanced dips and multiclass combinations that are still perfectly legal anyway.
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
I posed the question to my players, and even showed them this thread.
They are pretty evenly split with half agreeing with you, and the other half thinking I might be right.
It's hardly clear.
Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
A slayer counts a rogue.
A ninja can not multiclass with a rogue.
Ergo: A ninja may not multiclass into slayer.
DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote: A slayer counts a rogue.
A ninja can not multiclass with a rogue.
Ergo: A ninja may not multiclass into slayer.
Except that's not how it's worded. A Slayer does not "count as" a Rogue. The rules specify that a Slayer can't multiclass with a Rogue, but absolutely nowhere does it actually say that a Slayer counts as a Rogue. In fact, if a Slayer actually counted as a Rogue then a Slayer could take Rogue favored class bonuses and Rogue Archetypes, which the devs have specifically said (for now) they can't do.
As I've said... it's clear that the Slayer and the Ninja shouldn't be able to multiclass, based on the obvious intent of the designers. But the rules don't actually forbid it.
JRutterbush wrote: DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote: A slayer counts a rogue.
A ninja can not multiclass with a rogue.
Ergo: A ninja may not multiclass into slayer.
Except that's not how it's worded. A Slayer does not "count as" a Rogue. The rules specify that a Slayer can't multiclass with a Rogue, but absolutely nowhere does it actually say that a Slayer counts as a Rogue. In fact, if a Slayer actually counted as a Rogue then a Slayer could take Rogue favored class bonuses and Rogue Archetypes, which the devs have specifically said (for now) they can't do.
As I've said... it's clear that the Slayer and the Ninja shouldn't be able to multiclass, based on the obvious intent of the designers. But the rules don't actually forbid it. Doesn't a Ninja count as a Rogue though?
Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Wow. I feel that this thread is going in circles.
So.
Rogue. Slayer. Ninja.
None shall pass. Those that are one can not be the other. Each class is a reflection of the other and vice versa. Each one is singular in their pursuit and needs no barter with the others.
It ain' happenin' my brother.
Scavion wrote: JRutterbush wrote: DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote: A slayer counts a rogue.
A ninja can not multiclass with a rogue.
Ergo: A ninja may not multiclass into slayer.
Except that's not how it's worded. A Slayer does not "count as" a Rogue. The rules specify that a Slayer can't multiclass with a Rogue, but absolutely nowhere does it actually say that a Slayer counts as a Rogue. In fact, if a Slayer actually counted as a Rogue then a Slayer could take Rogue favored class bonuses and Rogue Archetypes, which the devs have specifically said (for now) they can't do.
As I've said... it's clear that the Slayer and the Ninja shouldn't be able to multiclass, based on the obvious intent of the designers. But the rules don't actually forbid it. Doesn't a Ninja count as a Rogue though? No. Again, it's about wording. A Ninja is specifically barred from multiclassing with a Rogue, and it can take Rogue archetypes as long as it has the same class features to trade, but it doesn't actually "count as" a Rogue. It can use some of the Rogue's stuff, but it's not actually officially a Rogue, it's just heavily based on the Rogue.
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Robert A Matthews wrote: No
Advance Class Playtest wrote: If you have levels in one of these new classes, you cannot take levels in either of its alternate classes, nor can you take levels in a class in this playtest that also has either of those alternate classes. For example, if you take levels in arcanist (alternate classes: sorcerer and wizard), you can’t also take levels in sorcerer or wizard, nor can you take levels in bloodrager (alternate classes: sorcerer and barbarian).
Likewise, if you have levels in a base class, you cannot take levels in any of the classes in this playtest that list that base class as an alternate class. For example, if you have levels in rogue, you can’t take levels in investigator (alternate classes: rogue and alchemist) or slayer (alternate classes: rogue and ranger).
blahpers wrote: Ultimate Combat, p. 8 wrote: Alternate Classes
These are standalone classes whose basic ideas . . . *etc*
An alternate class operates exactly as a base class, save that a character who takes a level in an alternate class can never take a level in its associated class--a samurai cannot also be a cavalier, and vice versa. The antipaladin from Advanced Player's Guide is also an anternate class.
Sniggevert wrote: PRD wrote: Role: The ninja spends almost all of her time honing her skills, practicing her art, or working on her next assignment. Even when not specifically working, the ninja is ever vigilant and ready for the situation to turn deadly. Her line of work earns her many enemies, but it is a list that she frequently reduces through assassination and misdirection. The ninja is an alternate class for the rogue core class. EDIT:And the samurai is an alternate class of the cavalier as well.
all quoted and brought from EARLIER ON THIS VERY PAGE.
Again. alternate classes cannot multiclass with their bases. ninja is alternate rogue, slayer is alternate rogue. both are rogues. they cannot multiclass with rogues, which both are.
honestly though, i'm bowing out now, before i start breaking spines over peoples lack of common sense
What's the rules for the breaking of spines? Would you consider int or wis to determine common sense?
Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Uh... It is an alternative class to the Rogue. This means that instead of a rogue, you play a rogue with Ki and neat pajamas.
Can't multi into the class your already an alternative to, nor can the Slayer multi into the class that is already roguish to begin with.
See my post above.
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