I just kinda winged it when I made him (didn't really understand the CR system very well). For example, I just gave him ability scores that seemed appropriate (hence no odd-numbered stats).
That doesn't matter at all, if the paizo-people see you put that many effort in it they like the wish probably better than just a simple name of the creature? :-p
And you doing a much better job than me, I don't understand a thing about that and other people need to make my monster stats for me. :-p
If you like my version of Pan, I suggest you watch Guillermo del Toro's "Pan's Labyrinth". It's a great movie (one of my very favorites, actually).
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Lol, i've seen that movie like 5 times already, love the story and creatures in that movie. Its actually one of my favorite movies of all time. :-)
I love when people list long strings of silly, made-up names, almost all of which turn out to be real world mythology. Hint: if it sounds stupid, it's doubtful JJ would approve it without real world cachet.
Green Ronin kinda announced a big template book, so I think that Paizo will not go that way in the foreseeable future.For those, like me, interested in what this template book thing is, its a Kickstarter to produce a Pathfinder version of the Advanced Bestiary.
I hope it is a great succes, and that they put in SO much templates that no template fan will even notice there won't be any new templates in Bestiary 5 because those things now have their own collection of books so there is no need for putting those things in normal Bestiaries again, ever. (Cruella DeVil laughter)
Except that, of course, Paizo has never let 3rd-party products dictate what they do and don't produce and release. So that's kinda irrelevant.
Except that, of course, Paizo has never let 3rd-party products dictate what they do and don't produce and release. So that's kinda irrelevant.
I beg to differ, just ask Kikimora and Jack-in-Irons.
I am pretty sure no one at Paizo has said that because those exist in 3rd party sources, they would never consider redoing them.
Kikimora has appeared in AP (baba yaga's housepet) but didn't appeared in the AP bestiary, that is mostly a sign they accepted the 3rd Party variant.
I think it is mainly a sign it has not a this time justified real estate in a Bestiary.
Y'know, I've been checking this topic, but never truly answered it XD
What don't I want to see in the next bestiary...?
- Contradictory typing: A Dullahan is usually classified as an unseelie fairy... care to explain WHY it was retyped as an Undead in B3?
- Contradictory artworks: The artwork for the Catfolk was very representative, but not the one in ARG. That would apply for creatures as well depending on their folkloric representation. Same goes with weapons: the artwork shows a creature wielding one weapon, but the stat block indicates either another weapon or just NO weapon at all.
- Missing details: "Can I get to know what kind of breath weapon this new dragon has?"
- Uninspired designs: WotC's Monster Manuals 4 and 5 were really lacking in that department.
Y'know, I've been checking this topic, but never truly answered it XD
What don't I want to see in the next bestiary...?
- Contradictory typing: A Dullahan is usually classified as an unseelie fairy... care to explain WHY it was retyped as an Undead in B3?
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Just my thoughts on this, but I can see why they would classify it as undead. Yes, they're traditionally fey, but they also make a lot of sense as undead. After all, they're essentially headless horsemen. A common assumption would be "Well hey, he doesn't have a head, odds are good that he's dead."
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I would rather have seen the Dullahan as fey, it would have made them more special.
Now they are just Death Knights without heads, I would have liked them to be fey that look like undead so its really a very strange fey creature much like the Nuckelavee is.
But then again Trolls, Hags and Will O wisps are also better off fey in my books.
"Ypotryll", also known as "bull boars"...
Actually, a couple of my friends called it the "Velociraptor Bull Boar"
Broke out laughing.
Drop bears.
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I can see us getting a bestiary every year. Well at least until we get 5-7 Bestiaries. I wouldn't mind a bestiary that is nothing but reprints so we could get caught up on the APs and other products.Last time I asked for that, I got smacked down big time, like "NO, WE DON'T WANT AP MONSTERS IN BESTIARIES! GET OUT OF HERE!"
Give me a separate book called "Adventure Path Bestiary" with 300 monsters from the APs. Look, the APs have a lot of unique monsters that could be used anywhere else. However, not everyone is willing to buy each and every AP booklet to get the monsters.
Yes, some monsters have been reprinted in Bestiaries, but only a fraction.
As I think back about it, I don't really want B5 to have loads of AP monsters as well, BUT I'd like to get a separate spin-off-like book that regroups ALL the monsters from APs.
I agree. Having just gotten into Pathfinder when Jade Regent came out; at which point, I picked up all of the hardcover books and continue to do so. having access to all of the AP monsters would be great. I don't necessarily want to run some of APs, they don't appeal to me or my group but in my homebrew, some of creatures would be a perfect fit I think.
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A lot of real world mythological creatures can fall under multiple creature types. In addition to the dullahan, the banshee is classified as undead, when it could just as easily have been a fey. The lines sort of blur, in some cases.
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Sometimes people aren't lazy, they just forget how to pronounce words that aren't regularly used. Integrating words into your vocabulary from languages drastically different from your own takes time. You gotta feel 'em out first and sometimes that process can take a while. Most of us aren't linguists, after all.
Hell, I've been mispronouncing "otyugh" for years.
Lol, I haven't had to. I describe the monsters, show the pictures. If the players don't go investigate the name or find out about it, they have to name it themselves.
Their bane of banes monster from Bestiary 1 is still known by the players as the "OhFeckFeckFeckBadNews" monster :D - hey, they named it, not me.
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real world and DnD classifications don't really overlap well.
While the Dullahan are considered a type of fairy, fairies have also been considered to be formed from the souls of the dead, and often there is substanstial overlap between Fey and Undead in Celtic folklore.
Demons. To me, they are about as overdone as dragons and drow were with WotC. It feels like they are everywhere. Hell, they are even on the freaking moon! I get it, demons are super cool and awesome and totally capable of being Chaotic Evil without being stupid. Can we please stop shoving them into the spotlight and give other fiends a shot?
Bestiary 4 did well with focus on Devils and Devil-related stuff with the only new demons being the demon lords. As it is, I'm totally in agreement. We have SO MANY demons (especially with Wrath of the Righteous happening) that they probably outnumber all the other types of fiends combined.
I had no idea the Pale Man had any connection to real world mythology. Thanks for the link, Unruly.
Well, demons are supposed to be varied and chaotic. I don't mind new demons, as long as they bring something new to the table.
But then again Trolls, Hags and Will O wisps are also better off fey in my books.
Well, trolls as humanoids with the Giant subtype and hags as monstruous humanoids aren't that big of deal. I agree with you about the will'o'wisp... What is so aberrant about them anyway? Fey would have been a better type for them.
I agree that there should be unlimited demon types, I'm just tired of the big humanoid demons with giant bat/skeleton wings.
I really disliked the last demon from the Demon AP for example, the big guy with balor-like looks. (the first monster from the Demon AP bestiary, I don't want to remember its name, for me its Balor # 100.)
I want demons like the Abyssal Maw from D&D, monstrous but non-chaotic, horrid looking demons with names I can remember.
I didn't really liked any of the new Worldwound (spare for the Non-demon abyss crawlers like the maggot, living trap and metal wasp) demons because they had such strange names and some reminded me of already done things.
Abrikandilu, don't like the name and that's is rat-humanoid # 10 or so, I do really love the creative fluff and abilities behind it tho.
Derakni, scorpion tailed, insect like demon # 100, again don't like the name but the abilities, fluff and role I like very very much.
Lilitu, I never liked such creatures as there are many succubus-like creatures already and this is not really my type of demon. Regardless if they are from Real-world mythology.
Oolioddroo, dislike the name and that is much like the mothman, I do like its abilities and stuff.
I hope to see more demons, but more like the Kalavakus, Omox, Coloxus and more real-world demons. I'm very disappointed that the Wrath of The Righteous AP doesn't have some real-world demons in it yet.
@Gancanagh: What I was thinking was an Incubus or Satyr with Class Levels or some other unique variant.
And for the dinosaurs. Aren't Velociraptors handled by adding the Young template to one of the current ones?
In the ?First? Bestiary yes, but they decided to stat them up slightly differently I think. Honestly Velociraptor is such a popular and well-known dinosaur, that I appreciate them providing a fully statted version, since it save me time in doing that sort of conversion if a player wants one.
Oh...that does remind me of one thing I want. Please if you are going to do more maniraptoran/coelurosaur dinosaurs, please make sure they have feathers and that the feathers are not done in a haphahazard manner. See Velociraptor for an example done right, and Deinonychus for an example gone wrong.
Last I checked it is believed that the Velociraptor and Deinonychus had varous different types of Plumage based on region, diet, etc. Not unlike modern Birds can.
And they are slightly different. B4 does come closer to the realistic expectations of them.
NOTE: Just got a reliable access to B4.
Well...yeah. Velociraptor is from the Late Cretaceous of Mongolia, while Deinonychus was from the Early Cretaceous of Western North America, plus was twice it's size.
I kinda like the old dinosaurs better, never liked the feather-variants (which are true I know) that much.
@Gancanagh: What I was thinking was an Incubus or Satyr with Class Levels or some other unique variant.
Well I hope the Gancanagh will be its own creature, not an unique creature or class level thing. There are too few pretty male creatures in pathfinder, while there are tons of pretty females, every mythological pretty male creature should be used in my opinion to make up for the too-much-pretty-female creatures.
I do not want to see the mob template/subtype to ever return.
I think the troop version would be a waste of space in a hardcover bestiary maybe a book of templates.
Mob template has been incredibly useful on more than one occasion for me, so we can definitely take it off the anti-wishlist. In fact, Paizo, you can probably move it to the top of the wishlist. Templates that expedite high level battles are excellent.
I'd like to see less spiders, oozes, golems, giants, demons and devils.
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Come on, guys. Just admit it. You just want an entire book of aberrations.
I'm with Dragon here, no Mob Template in a bestiary, for all I care they create an entire book for Mobs/Armies/Troops/Legions, but last thing I want to see is a page wasted on Gnoll, Hobgoblin (I hate them already without troop stats) and Drows armies/troops.
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I'm with Dragon here, no Mob Template in a bestiary, for all I care they create an entire book for Mobs/Armies/Troops/Legions, but last thing I want to see is a page wasted on Gnoll, Hobgoblin (I hate them already without troop stats) and Drows armies/troops.
Except, if done as a template, you would only need one single example.
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I'm not finding any of these hard to pronounce. "Wiggy names" feels like a backhanded slap to "forrin kultcha".Not at all. It's just a case that I prefer names to be more suitable for inclusion in a generic fantasy setting. The beastiaries are meant to be books of monsters for Pathfinder, not a guide to monsters from around the world. Hence my comment that a rockman should be a rockman, for example.
I get turned away from using many of the beasties in books 3 & 4 because a lof of them are nigh unpronounceable.
I have to vehemently disagree.
The Game, in all of its incarnations, has a long history of informative takes on real world mythology. Many of the creatures you all are complaining about, trace their inclusion all the way back to 1st Edition, and for a lot of gamers I know, the Game (though one must research these things sometimes to get a clearer picture of the mythologies from which they derive) has been an educational tool as well as an entertaining one.
I am sorry you have trouble with names taken from non-English speaking cultures. But I would be sorrier still if the creators left these informative entries out, or changed them just to please those amongst us who don't have the energy to deal with them.
As for myself, I have expanded my knowledge considerably over the decades thanks to these inclusions.
EDIT: Ironic that your screen name includes a reference to the UK, as it was the first Fiend Folio (a UK production for 1st Edition) that included many of the creatures whose names you would find vexing.)
not to mention, that as a gm, overly simplistic names sound silly when I say them. See the fake dinosaur names in Eberron. Even Rockman too me is a little silly.
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Rockman, everybody knows his real name is Megaman;)
Well...yeah. Velociraptor is from the Late Cretaceous of Mongolia, while Deinonychus was from the Early Cretaceous of Western North America, plus was twice it's size.
I was referring to how even within the same species they would have multiple plumage types. One from the North might look different than the more Southern Examples.
Sort of like a Raven from Missouri has slightly more Red around its eyes than one from Michigan.
If they use the updated version of troadon, they shouldn't use the art from Dinosaur Train. Just saying.
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Orthos, from all mythological creatures, it's my least favorite monster.
Probably with reasons.
About Dullahans they are an Undead Faerie just as a Yuki Onna is an Undead Yokai/Ayakashi(?). They are formed from Undead Spirits but carry more undead traits than the other type.
Things I hope are NOT replacing Bestiary 5 next year.
NPC Codex 2.
Inner Sea Bestiary 2.
NPC Codex 2 seems likely to happen, and to replace Bestiary 5 next year.
...The Inner Sea Bestiary, I agree with. Already got one campaign-specific bestiary for that area, and there's so much additional supplemental info for the Inner Sea Region that we're kind-of already covered in those locations, for now.
If there isn't a hardcover bestiary next year I hope there will be a distant worlds bestiary or a bestiary for one of the other regions like Arcadia, Tian Xia, etc..
Their were a lot of left out critters from the Inner Sea Bestiary book that could warrant it.
I think a Distant Worlds Bestiary might be a better fit though, what with Numeria AP next fall