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I really get a kick out of seeing people say "no more wiggy names" when they are talking about names that actually come from real-world myths and folk lore - but everybody just accepts a bunch of names which are 100% made up (the name of basically every demon and devil, for example, or the otyugh)
Just because the monster came from a real world reference doesn't mean it should keep the real world name. How did that transfer over to a fantasy environ? Usually the names can be broken down into the Latin/greek/whatever bases and you can see the origin of the critter's name. How did a fantasy world make a creature with a name that has it's name origin coming from real-world dead languages? A fantasy world would have it's own name for things, not use ours.
Make a good pronouncable name, with a couple nick-names and toss in a "inspired by Flagalnotzic of Polynesia" in the description.| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
You can rename every creature if you want but for those of us who like mythology I am fine with keeping the creatures' original names.
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I really get a kick out of seeing people say "no more wiggy names" when they are talking about names that actually come from real-world myths and folk lore - but everybody just accepts a bunch of names which are 100% made up (the name of basically every demon and devil, for example, or the otyugh)Just because the monster came from a real world reference doesn't mean it should keep the real world name. How did that transfer over to a fantasy environ? Usually the names can be broken down into the Latin/greek/whatever bases and you can see the origin of the critter's name. How did a fantasy world make a creature with a name that has it's name origin coming from real-world dead languages? A fantasy world would have it's own name for things, not use ours.
Make a good pronouncable name, with a couple nick-names and toss in a "inspired by Flagalnotzic of Polynesia" in the description.
I absolutely, positively HATE this argument. It makes no sense, especially since we allow so many other words from Latin/Greek origin into the game. If we were to use this argument for everything, then we might as well change all the names of the weapons we have. Why call a katana a katana if there is no Japan in Golarion? Just call it a longsword. In fact, might as well change the name of the longsword to something else since Golarion clearly won't have English. Hell, we better get rid of the word sword since the Old English term, sweord, wouldn't exist in Golarion.
And what about the animals and other monsters? Surely we shouldn't have minotaurs since there is no King Minos or Greek in Golarion. Dryads? Nope, Greek too. Platypus? Latinization of a Greek word for flat-footed, so that's out. Tigers? Sorry, but that's from the Latin word tigris. Tyrannosaurus? Nope, might as well ditch it like Eberron did and come up with some idiotic better name. And hey, may as well do it with class names too. The term "barbarian" is Greek and well, there is no Greece in Golarion. Clergy (and thus cleric) is also Greek, and paladin is Middle French. As I last checked, Middle French is no longer spoken and not in Golarion.
So, ranting hyperbole aside, you can see that the issue with using the "Latin/Greek/X_Language doesn't exist in fantasy environs, so change everything" is that so much of our language exists because of these languages. If you want to go around a called an ankylosaur a macetail behemoth, then we might as well call sword "stabbity bars", tigers "Striped sabercats", and rabbits are now smeerps. Except I'm sure 'striped' and 'cat' are also Latin, so I guess we can't use that.
Not to mention it's still a disservice to the original folklore that the monster is based off of. I just think it's silly that in the Internet Age, where you can google pronunciations of words with ease, people can't take five seconds to look it up and instead need a company to pull some half-brained absolutely brilliant idea on just changing the names of everything. No thanks.
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I really get a kick out of seeing people say "no more wiggy names" when they are talking about names that actually come from real-world myths and folk lore - but everybody just accepts a bunch of names which are 100% made up (the name of basically every demon and devil, for example, or the otyugh)Just because the monster came from a real world reference doesn't mean it should keep the real world name. How did that transfer over to a fantasy environ? Usually the names can be broken down into the Latin/greek/whatever bases and you can see the origin of the critter's name. How did a fantasy world make a creature with a name that has it's name origin coming from real-world dead languages? A fantasy world would have it's own name for things, not use ours.
Make a good pronouncable name, with a couple nick-names and toss in a "inspired by Flagalnotzic of Polynesia" in the description.
Better call Cthulhu "big squid face" and the star spawn "less big squid faces".
I don't know, 'squid' is probably a Latin word for something. Or Old English. Gotta come up with our original, do-not-steal term for Cthulhu ;)
Gotta vote for keeping original names of creatures from real world cultures intact.
(this also helps prevent stuff like Legion being renamed Granfalloon)
On a side note, I would love to see Legion (in the biblical sense) and a Castlevania Legion/Granfaloon-like monster. Why don't we have one?
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Not to nention if you, for example, rename 'rusalka' into WaterDarkFeyDoomShadow, a loud groan will be heard from this part of the world.
That sounds like someone's WoW login. Only missing the reference to some anime and the x's surrounding it.
xXxWaterDarkFeyDoomShadowSasukexXx
*shudders*
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Not to nention if you, for example, rename 'rusalka' into WaterDarkFeyDoomShadow, a loud groan will be heard from this part of the world.That sounds like someone's WoW login. Only missing the reference to some anime and the x's surrounding it.
xXxWaterDarkFeyDoomShadowSasukexXx
*shudders*
Don't forgot the 666 or 0.
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On a side note, I would love to see Legion (in the biblical sense) and a Castlevania Legion/Granfaloon-like monster. Why don't we have one?Gotta vote for keeping original names of creatures from real world cultures intact.
(this also helps prevent stuff like Legion being renamed Granfalloon)
I'd love to see a straight Castlevania Legion as something that could be fought and fought on. :) We do have a number of creatures that are close though.
Hmmm...maybe a Mythic Corpse Orgy?
It's like I'm playing League of Legends again!
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On a side note, I would love to see Legion (in the biblical sense) and a Castlevania Legion/Granfaloon-like monster. Why don't we have one?Gotta vote for keeping original names of creatures from real world cultures intact.
(this also helps prevent stuff like Legion being renamed Granfalloon)
I'd love to see a straight Castlevania Legion as something that could be fought and fought on. :) We do have a number of creatures that are close though.
Hmmm...maybe a Mythic Corpse Orgy?
I liked the Warsworn from Kingmaker. Was a tidal wave of dead soldiers. Pretty metal.
I don't know, 'squid' is probably a Latin word for something. Or Old English. Gotta come up with our original, do-not-steal term for Cthulhu ;)
According to Merriam-Webster the origin of 'squid' is unknown.
Not to nention if you, for example, rename 'rusalka' into WaterDarkFeyDoomShadow, a loud groan will be heard from this part of the world.
But the Germans will be happy.
I don't know, 'squid' is probably a Latin word for something. Or Old English. Gotta come up with our original, do-not-steal term for Cthulhu ;)According to Merriam-Webster the origin of 'squid' is unknown.
Not to nention if you, for example, rename 'rusalka' into WaterDarkFeyDoomShadow, a loud groan will be heard from this part of the world.But the Germans will be happy.
Unknown, or that which mortal ken was not meant to know!?!
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Unknown, or that which mortal ken was not meant to know!?!I don't know, 'squid' is probably a Latin word for something. Or Old English. Gotta come up with our original, do-not-steal term for Cthulhu ;)According to Merriam-Webster the origin of 'squid' is unknown.
Not to nention if you, for example, rename 'rusalka' into WaterDarkFeyDoomShadow, a loud groan will be heard from this part of the world.But the Germans will be happy.
Big Squid Face says, "Stop asking questions that are not supposed to be asked."
I think that Big Squid Face should be called Big Octopus Face because if it was a Squid he would look like he was wearing a hat.
Same goes for the little ones clearly.
And to the subject at hand i dont know that i need another Bestiary but if(and when)it comes i hope not to see short discriptions of monsters that leaves you with somthing that is only seme usefull.
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Make a good pronouncable name, with a couple nick-names and toss in a "inspired by Flagalnotzic of Polynesia" in the description.
Not really a fan of this approach, but I quite liked JiCi's idea of including alternate names in the creature's description, such as it might be known by locals in whatever region it inhabits.
What part of SOME didn't you understand?
I just don't like creatures with mutliple x's and y's in the name that are impossible for all people to pronounce.
The more famous asian monsters don't have this problem, but some of the less known have tons of - in their names and other such stuff.
I'm not a fan of creatures with name like these: You Hun Ye Gui, Yamata no Orochi, Yagyō-san and Xecotcovach. But I do like the names of Gashadokuro, Bakekujira, Yuki-Onna, Nekomata, Manananggal and Rokurokubi.
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I think that Big Squid Face should be called Big Octopus Face because if it was a Squid he would look like he was wearing a hat.
Same goes for the little ones clearly.And to the subject at hand i dont know that i need another Bestiary but if(and when)it comes i hope not to see short discriptions of monsters that leaves you with somthing that is only seme usefull.
He's wearing his Pope hat. :)
I liked the Warsworn from Kingmaker. Was a tidal wave of dead soldiers. Pretty metal.That guy made it into Bestiary 4. When I saw him in there, I was so very, very happy because he is awesome(and brutal).
As a sidenote, I have never played Kingmaker and hadn't seen him before, so it was even more awesome(and brutal).
My Kingmaker players just got through with a monster-fighting tournament where this thing came up twice. It took the one player who got it a good time to deal with, and the NPC who rolled it the second time got curb-stomped.
Carry on Up the Jungle now, with not wanting to see an oozalum bird!
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The B-Hole.
I don't know who thought it would be cool to include this poorly named monster to the Shattered Star Adventure Path or what designer tried to justify it by saying it is from Leng and is a Lovecraft special.
Butt really, not to sound like a butt-hole or anything, but the B-Hole in Pathfinder is stupid:
DM:
Player:
Well for one thing the hyphen isn't there, so it wouldn't be pronounced that way - probably closer to "bole" or "boll" (like the weevil).
Secondly, wonder why they changed it in the first place, I'd always seen it spelled Dhole and that was less confusing (unless your players are juvenile minded, I suppose...).
I guess my players are just not immature enough to expect responses like that.
Sorry to bring this news to you Werry, but your B-Hole A.K.A bhole is already in bestiary 4, so you are too late with this :-p
The bhole's a Lovecraft monster - from "Beyond the Silver Gate" if I remember my titles right. I was surprised it was only CR 17; I would've expected it to be much stronger, possibly on par with a lower-end kaiju.
Edit: Though being written for Shattered Star's Bestiary explains the lower CR, especially if the PCs in an AP have to kill one.
Close, Zhangar - it's Through the Gates of the Silver Key. They also get a passing reference in Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath.
What was wrong with my long post? There wasn't anything in it that was against the rules in there at all.
Anyway because it was removed for some reason:
I don't want more:
Landscape Giant, Elemental Drakes, Anything that looks or smells like the Dragonspawn from D&D, Templates, Real world animals, Aliens and Demon Lords in their own books/tomes/manuals.
No more Rakshasa, Pretty Girl monsters, pretty winged humanoids angels, Aeons, Humanoid Undead, demons with impossible names, rainbow dragons and Kami.
At the very least, the B-Hole's inclusion in the B4 will give us decades of great opportunities for Uranus jokes.
Butt seriously, how could they have thought it was a good idea for Shattered Star -- and even more outrageous -- the B4 (which I obviously haven't yet purchased)?
Because it's a monster from Lovecraftian fiction?
Because I have never read that monsters name as B-hole, but always as Bhole (rhymes with roll/role)
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What part of SOME didn't you understand?
I just don't like creatures with mutliple x's and y's in the name that are impossible for all people to pronounce.
The more famous asian monsters don't have this problem, but some of the less known have tons of - in their names and other such stuff.
I'm not a fan of creatures with name like these: You Hun Ye Gui, Yamata no Orochi, Yagyō-san and Xecotcovach. But I do like the names of Gashadokuro, Bakekujira, Yuki-Onna, Nekomata, Manananggal and Rokurokubi.
If a person is too lazy to google a pronunciation in the year 2013, that's their fault and not Paizo's. Hell, they can take the time they would normally use to complain about it and just look it up. That's what I do.
I'd rather the onus be on us, the players, to look this up, rather than Paizo to change a name and pretty much spit in the face of the folklore.
some of the less known have tons of - in their names and other such stuff.
Those are grammatical marks. No different than tildes in Spanish or umlauts in Scandinavian languages.
What part of SOME didn't you understand?
I just don't like creatures with mutliple x's and y's in the name that are impossible for all people to pronounce.
The more famous asian monsters don't have this problem, but some of the less known have tons of - in their names and other such stuff.
I'm not a fan of creatures with name like these: You Hun Ye Gui, Yamata no Orochi, Yagyō-san and Xecotcovach. But I do like the names of Gashadokuro, Bakekujira, Yuki-Onna, Nekomata, Manananggal and Rokurokubi.
If a person is too lazy to google a pronunciation in the year 2013, that's their fault and not Paizo's. Hell, they can take the time they would normally use to complain about it and just look it up. That's what I do.
I'd rather the onus be on us, the players, to look this up, rather than Paizo to change a name and pretty much spit in the face of the folklore.
YOu missed the entire conversation because it was removed, so saying stuff on that remaining post that stands on its own isn't really helping at all.
And i'm not even against the impossibility of the name, but more against the extremly use of grammatical marks in a name, I don't mind one -, but more of them in one name are kinda bleh to me, same goes to creature with more than 3 spaces, I just don't like names like You Hun Ye Gui at all, sorry can't help it, sounds silly to me and its a creature that can easily be replaced by a Greek Shade which has a much better name if you ask me...
If you want it so badly, why don't you wish for it in the wish topic?
I have nothing against ANYTHING that made it into the paizo bestiaries this far (going on names only), only some Demon Names are horrid to me, none of the real world myth-creatures which names I dislike have been converted yet in a paizo book and I am really suprised if they ever did such creatures cuz most have silly names and have counterparts in other myths with much better and easier names.
Sometimes people aren't lazy, they just forget how to pronounce words that aren't regularly used. Integrating words into your vocabulary from languages drastically different from your own takes time. You gotta feel 'em out first and sometimes that process can take a while. Most of us aren't linguists, after all.
Hell, I've been mispronouncing "otyugh" for years.
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What sounds "silly" is relative, Gancanagh :P