What might make customizable looks more viable in the near future is micro manufacturing. Its not that unimaginable to go from a personal 3d printer to a small business tailor that could scan someone and make the clothes for them.It's not the measuring that makes tailored clothes expensive, it's the tailor and their growing rarity. They couldn't compete on price with mass produced garments made for a living wage in the US. They certainly can't compete with third world sweatshops.
So how about a robo tailor? Or would the need to have all the fabrics on hand for the machine be cost prohibitive?
No. It will just be cheaper to have the robotailor in cheap countries.
I do think it's about what sells, the magazines and what-not media outlets will put out an image that makes their product sell the best. I saw on another thread discussing if Paizo would ever try to acquire license to Dragonlance or Darksun and it was noted that they already identified with magazine products that when the cover of the magazine advertised an adventure for one of those systems then the sales dropped for that issue, thus Paizo wouldn't want to license those products because even in our hobby it is simply about what sells the best for the business. Look at magazines on the rack at the check out counter next time you get groceries, you're bound to see Kim Kardashian on the cover of something, that girl's butt is huge, nothing like the coat rack image that people associate with super models, and she's on the cover of those magazines because she is very attractive and it helps sell the magazines. There is a sort of chicken and egg thing here, does the concept of beauty get created by industry, or does the industry publish current concepts of beauty to increase sales, and by publishing those images do they create the concept of beauty? Regardless of how that plays out, the idea I would like to re-enforce and that I truly believe, everyone is beautiful, and industry be damned!
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Magazines do not rewrite human psychology. Fact is, what has been considered attractive has been looks that that time and effort to achieve. If food is scarce, being well fed and chubby grows attractive. If poverty is common, rich fabrics in clothes are attractive. If time is scarce, looking like you spend a lot of time on beauty gets appreciation. And so on. The dating market is one of competition, and status comes from having something for which there is low supply.
The sad thing is, if we didn't watch them alter the picture, would we have realized it was altered, or at least realized how much it had been altered?
Yes. The end result is a bizarre monstrosity, fit only for the covers of straight to video horror movies.
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So... sexual orientation tests to be allowed to design clothes?Or design clothes for people, not coat racks.
Dude, I don't was to sound like a total *&!, but are you even aware of the possibility of someone skinny reading your posts? Having spoken with several very thin people about their body build, I know it is sometimes a real source of insecurity - for the girls it's mostly about "lacking curves", for the guys it's mostly about "looking about as intimidating as a straw". (Actual quotes of actual people). For most people, who try to lose weight all the time, that seems ridiculous, but apparently some people are actually *incapable* of gaining weight, and they are not happy with that.
So repeatedly calling them "coat racks" is not much more polite than repeatedly calling obese people "hot air balloons" or something. For someone who has issue with their appearance, I figure this could get really old really fast. We get it, you think very thin girls don't look good. You can stop now.
Too bad that open defiance of too many societal norms (such as beauty standards) will mark you as a freak of some sort.
Freedom of speech (as well as opinion) migrated over to the internet, where more or less everyone has a place for themselves.
The girl was a litte out of shape before the photoshop. The lack of muscle tone or ribs was a give away for alteration. I worry that some people think a body size that is achievable through diet and exercise is a bad thing. Being overweight is neither "normal" nor healthy. More people die from complications of obesity than from anorexia. Aspiration is no bad thing. Would you ban the olympics because most people would find that level of perfection impossible?
Would you ban the olympics because most people would find that level of perfection impossible?
I think the difference is that the level of perfection you see in the Olympics actually is humanly achievable, by definition. Whereas photoshop manipulation would be the equivalent of making up world record statistics after the fact. "Let's just edit this footage to make it look like the guy ran the 100 meter dash in 5.01 seconds."
This is also, presumably, why we get so upset over doping use. You are no longer "the best you can be" you are suddenly "the best chemistry can make you", which is an entirely different game (albeit, if you ask me, a much more interesting game. But that's a completely different discussion).
Ah, so we shoud ban fantasy heroes, super spies and super heroes because they are an edited form of reality that is unatainable then?
Would you ban the olympics because most people would find that level of perfection impossible?I think the difference is that the level of perfection you see in the Olympics actually is humanly achievable, by definition. Whereas photoshop manipulation would be the equivalent of making up world record statistics after the fact. "Let's just edit this footage to make it look like the guy ran the 100 meter dash in 5.01 seconds."
This is also, presumably, why we get so upset over doping use. You are no longer "the best you can be" you are suddenly "the best chemistry can make you", which is an entirely different game (albeit, if you ask me, a much more interesting game. But that's a completely different discussion).
Fine, then! Do you think people would be outraged if some fake lip-synch band like Milli Vanilli won the Grammy for best new artist? . . . Oh, wait.
But seriously, in answer to Ingenwolf. There's nothing wrong with fiction, or fantasy. It should just be presented as such.
Ah, so we shoud ban fantasy heroes, super spies and super heroes because they are an edited form of reality that is unatainable then?
I'm not sure how you could jump to that conclusion based on anything I said. You're the one with the ban hammer.
I don't think you should ban fiction, no, but you might want to stop and think before passing off fantasies as reality. Superman Returns wasn't a documentary, you know.
Ah, so we shoud ban fantasy heroes, super spies and super heroes because they are an edited form of reality that is unatainable then?I'm not sure how you could jump to that conclusion based on anything I said. You're the one with the ban hammer.
I don't think you should ban fiction, no, but you might want to stop and think before passing off fantasies as reality. Superman Returns wasn't a documentary, you know.
I don't mean to quibble, but I think the audience stopping and thinking before accepting fantasies as reality is a better way to put it. Of course, I'm still talking about the same thing I was pages ago: in this day and age it behooves you to realize that every image you see in the media is manipulated.
Edit: The other side of that is, I find the outrage in this thread's title a bit off-putting. "What did they have to do to this poor model?" I don't know, pay her for a photo-shoot 'cause that's her job, I guess.
Of course, I'm still talking about the same thing I was pages ago: in this day and age it behooves you to realize that every image you see in the media is manipulated.
I'm not. I'm simply reacting to the ridiculous notion that you should ban stories about super heroes because super powers aren't real.
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The girl was a little out of shape before the Photoshop. The lack of muscle tone or ribs was a give away for alteration. I worry that some people think a body size that is achievable through diet and exercise is a bad thing. Being overweight is neither "normal" nor healthy. More people die from complications of obesity than from anorexia. Aspiration is no bad thing. Would you ban the Olympics because most people would find that level of perfection impossible?
Point taken.
However, we are looking at three related problems.
As, I believe I have said earlier - "be good to your heart, look your best, etc." but it should not need to be the focus of your life, nor the primary definition of your self-worth.
I don't mean to quibble, but I think the audience stopping and thinking before accepting fantasies as reality is a better way to put it.Ah, so we shoud ban fantasy heroes, super spies and super heroes because they are an edited form of reality that is unatainable then?I'm not sure how you could jump to that conclusion based on anything I said. You're the one with the ban hammer.
I don't think you should ban fiction, no, but you might want to stop and think before passing off fantasies as reality. Superman Returns wasn't a documentary, you know.
hm.
NOOOOO!!! You gonna gain fifty pounds, go unhealthy, probably die, and what is worse: Lose all your self-worth!!!1
Fifty pounds? It's already too late for me. However, if anyone with all their self-worth intact needs get rid of their potato chips . . .
Beautiful by Christina Aguilera
I always found that song funny. Aguilera got a massive breast enhancement sometime before recording that album.
I just had a tease of a memory that I can't quite place, but it might be apropos of this thread:
I can't remember where I read this, but somewhere (fiction? memoir? essay? hopefully someone can help) I read a mention of a 19th-century aesthete and sculpture enthusiast whose marriage was ruined when he discovered, on his wedding night, that women have pubic hair.
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I can't remember where I read this, but somewhere (fiction? memoir? essay? hopefully someone can help) I read a mention of a 19th-century aesthete and sculpture enthusiast whose marriage was ruined when he discovered, on his wedding night, that women have pubic hair.
He should have fast-forwarded to 2010 or so, and there would have been no such shock. Hell, I'd be willing to swap times with him...
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I can't remember where I read this, but somewhere (fiction? memoir? essay? hopefully someone can help) I read a mention of a 19th-century aesthete and sculpture enthusiast whose marriage was ruined when he discovered, on his wedding night, that women have pubic hair.He should have fast-forwarded to 2010 or so, and there would have been no such shock. Hell, I'd be willing to swap times with him...
weirdo.
weirdo.I can't remember where I read this, but somewhere (fiction? memoir? essay? hopefully someone can help) I read a mention of a 19th-century aesthete and sculpture enthusiast whose marriage was ruined when he discovered, on his wedding night, that women have pubic hair.He should have fast-forwarded to 2010 or so, and there would have been no such shock. Hell, I'd be willing to swap times with him...
He's not the one who likes his women all hairless like they're prepubescent. (Too much?)
words I learned from reading fantasy novels: Hirsute
and love the Night Court reference, that show was great!
The only thing that makes me sort of chuckle about feminine pubic hair choices is that taking the time and effort to create some sort of stylistic statement implies that they expect people to look at it. Otherwise it's no more interesting to me what they do with it than whether a man has a moustache, beard, sideburns or any configuration of facial hair. Humans have clearly been self-selecting for less hairy bodies for tens of thousands of years. I don't suspect that's going to stop. Unless we have another ice age and the world economy collapses and we're living in ice caves again. Then I suspect hirsuteness will come back in fashion.
Nice anecdote on the "Night Court" joke. However, I am afraid that I must be "weird" because in general I find myself turned off by obviously fake body enhancements, whether that's nose, breast, behind or six-pack abs.
My personal opinion on the Photoshop shenanigans in the OP example is best expressed as :rollseyes:.
I must be "weird" because in general I find myself turned off by obviously fake body enhancements, whether that's nose, breast, behind or six-pack abs.
I knew if you posted enough things, eventually I'd find something I could agree with you on!
I can't remember where I read this, but somewhere (fiction? memoir? essay? hopefully someone can help) I read a mention of a 19th-century aesthete and sculpture enthusiast whose marriage was ruined when he discovered, on his wedding night, that women have pubic hair.He should have fast-forwarded to 2010 or so, and there would have been no such shock. Hell, I'd be willing to swap times with him...
It was Ruskin!
Vajazzling must be a US phenomenon as well. If not, you can probably imagine what it is. A definition, just in case.
No pictures.
Baby, I don't care if you don't shave...