I thought it was interesting in the episode with MiniMac, that Mac was still expressing disgust with how Coulson was running SHIELD. I thought they had closed that book by the end of last season, but I guess not.
My thoughts:
1) Lincoln and the rest of the Inhumans on the team are obviously off the table in any fight against Hive. Too strong. BUT it's clear to most of us that the one guy that MIGHT stand a chance is Lash. Why? Because Lash pretty much straight focused on killing Inhumans. That's his sole purpose. He's got nothing else driving him. Hive can't overwhelm that any more than he can make Daisy kill herself. (We hope.)
2) I don't think Daisy is going to die. While some might complain about her powers and competency (aka over competency), with Hive, this proves she does have her weaknesses. Just so happens it's from a near god type Inhuman. Fair enough. If anyone dies it the following: Mac, Coulson (yeah I know...we already did that), May, Yo-Yo, or maybe it's actually Hive.
3. I don't think killing Hive negates his abilities...but it's possible since the infection is him. So we'll see. Maybe Carl Crusher Creel's ability will help in some way.
Well, it's kind of hard to mind control someone when you're dead.
They might technically still be infected, but if he can't give them orders, the point is kinda moot.
Maybe... I kind of get a 'collective' feel from Hive. Where as long s he's in someone, they all are part of him. Killing one host MAY not be enough...
After all, wasn't he the inspiration behind Hydra? The whole cut off one head and two more take its' place?
Could be way of base... but the ancient inhumans may have had to banish the 'last' of Hive on that planet... because he couldn't REALLY be killed.
well...recall that a few eps ago Hive was interested in pest control tech that could be used to disperse swarms of invasive species. I would be pretty shocked if Team Coulson doesn't deploy a similar weapon against him.
After all, at the end of the day Hive is just a bunch of bugs networked together. Break that connection and its fly swatter time.
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There doesn't appear to be any sort of automatic communication between Hive and infected individuals... 'telekinetic guy' had to verbally update Hive/Ward on events. Rather, it seems like the infected have something like a 'downloaded copy' of Hive's goals and take the actions that seem appropriate to them to achieve those goals (e.g. Daisy suddenly realizing that "we" would want the sphere).
If that is the case, then killing Hive/Ward might not do anything to free the infected. They could each continue on with their own 'copy' of Hive. Worst case scenario... it might eventually grow back into a full copy. Kill Hive/Ward and then you've got Hive/Telekinetic. Kill him and there is Hive/Daisy. Note that 'eye paralyze guy' had weird cellular activity going on even after death... potentially still being a host for another copy of Hive.
That said, yeah Hydra's research into swarm behaviour will clearly be the key somehow, but not clear what the solution will be.
I think a combo of pest control and Carl Creel's cells are the best shot they have of undoing what ever it is Ward/Hive has done.
Mostly I'm curious to see since we're almost two weeks away from it, how Civil War plays out into this. I mean right now they feel pretty separate things.
I wonder if it will... or if Civil war has already STARTED in SHIELD? There was already a lot of 'Someone has powers... we need to track them down, evaluate them, lock up the dangerous ones' in this season.
They have a habit of trying to connect them... but thematically they've been connected all season.
Based on my reading and TV watching, I don't think the United Nations quite knows what do about Inhumans, especially since they've yet to figure out what to do about the Avengers post Age of Ultron.
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Things are heating up (pun intended)….
Also, isn’t it a bit sad that so many “inhumans” look pretty much…human. I guess Disney has cut back their budget for making weird looking characters.
Damn, Phil! Love the shield. Reminds me of the energy shield Captain America used for a bit, lo those many years ago. I think Mark Waid was writing at the time. Sorry, though, Director Coulson, your hand is no longer the new hotness of cool enhancements.
Huzzah for Fitz and Simmons! Finally doing The Nasty!!!! The Horizontal Mambo! The Beast with Two Backs! The Hunka Chunka! Another fine job by both actors in all that verbal foreplay. I loved Fitz’s reaction when Simmons first mentioned them having sex.
Hey! That was the goofy brother from the Mummy movies! I’m guessing Hive wasn’t actually too afraid of the dude being able to hurt him. Seems like he needs him for…whatever. Sounds like Hive is planning to genetically modify more humans to be able to become Inhuman.
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Mostly I'm curious to see since we're almost two weeks away from it, how Civil War plays out into this. I mean right now they feel pretty separate things.
I'm wondering if, as a sort of epilogue to this season's finale, we might see some element from Civil War (maybe a cameo...), as part of the fall out from whatever Hive's plan is.
My wife and I noted that since Fitz and Simmons were separated for a while, and Fitz was late returning to the rendezvous, it's possible that's not Fitz at all, but a shapeshifting inhuman snuck in to replace him. If this proves to be true, given what's about to happen for F&S, my wife said she'd drop the show immediately.
Also Simmons could have been infected by Hive as well since he touched her. It could be a delayed effect or something like that.
What if Fitz or Simmons turns out to be an inhuman.
Depending on who they kill off will determine if I continue watching this show.
I was thinking I wouldn't like the show anymore after Hunter and Mockingbird left...but this season is starting to grow on me, kinda like Hive's parasites.
My wife and I noted that since Fitz and Simmons were separated for a while, and Fitz was late returning to the rendezvous, it's possible that's not Fitz at all, but a shapeshifting inhuman snuck in to replace him. If this proves to be true, given what's about to happen for F&S, my wife said she'd drop the show immediately.
There's another clue/red herring thrown out as well....Jemma's cold hands. Can Hive possess two dead bodies at once?
My wife and I noted that since Fitz and Simmons were separated for a while, and Fitz was late returning to the rendezvous, it's possible that's not Fitz at all, but a shapeshifting inhuman snuck in to replace him. If this proves to be true, given what's about to happen for F&S, my wife said she'd drop the show immediately.There's another clue/red herring thrown out as well....Jemma's cold hands. Can Hive possess two dead bodies at once?
They could also be cold because she was worrying about Fritz.
Also Simmons could have been infected by Hive as well since he touched her. It could be a delayed effect or something like that.
What if Fitz or Simmons turns out to be an inhuman.
Depending on who they kill off will determine if I continue watching this show.
Hasn't it been established that Hive's can only gain mental control over inhumans? and he can only inhabit one corpse at a time?
I am not saying controlled but a delayed death effect or she is contagious with the parasite.
Unless "Fitz" is Hive.
We know that is not true. Ward/Hive was at the "hotel" that he bought for the inhumans to try to recreate the Kree experiment.
Alright clarifying for some based on my understandings:
1) Hive CANNOT infect non-inhumans, only their dead bodies. Which means he can't take over the planet UNTIL everyone becomes Inhuman. Which is why we have "Jonathon" from the Mummy helping to replicate the experiments of the Kree (which in and of itself is a BAD idea. See Kree experiments.) to create a new breed of Inhuman. Which will then allow Hive to infect everyone that is.
2. Simmons is probably cold because she can get cold NOT because she's dead. At least... I don't THINK she is. Also I don't think Hive's consciousness can move from one body to the next. If it could, it would have more than just Grant Ward to host itself in. See all the sacrifices sent previous to Grant Ward via Hydra.
3. While it is true that Hive infection does act as kind of supreme dopamine effect, granting euphoria to most infected, it's not a sure fire control mechanism like say, telepathy or possession. I mean while Daisy DOES act under Hive's orders (like the rest of them) she's still basically in control of how and when she does stuff.
4. I'm guessing the reason the Kree didn't get to use the Hive killing weapon is probably because they never got the chance. The Inhuman uprising probably caught them off guard, they fled and left the weapon behind. The other Inhumans (probably the Royal Ones, Black Bolt, Medusa etc), kept the weapon but didn't use it because they decided banishing Hive was better and more humane. Plus they probably used it more as a threat than a weapon.
Right. If hive could infect multiple dead bodies it wouldn't need ultra rare terrigen crystals it would just need a shovel and an uber ride to the nearest grave yard.
Indeed Wolf of Norse that I assume might be Hatti.
He'd be all Dawn of the Dead up in the MCU. We all know THAT'S not going to happen. Yet.
Indeed Wolf of Norse that I assume might be Hatti.
He'd be all Dawn of the Dead up in the MCU. We all know THAT'S not going to happen. Yet.
marvel zombies?
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Norse Wolf that might be Hatti,
I'm assuming the powers that be at Marvel Entertainment aren't quite ready to do battle with Mark Waid and his guys at Walking Dead AMC.
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4. I'm guessing the reason the Kree didn't get to use the Hive killing weapon is probably because they never got the chance. The Inhuman uprising probably caught them off guard, they fled and left the weapon behind. The other Inhumans (probably the Royal Ones, Black Bolt, Medusa etc), kept the weapon but didn't use it because they decided banishing Hive was better and more humane. Plus they probably used it more as a threat than a weapon.
This is something I'd love to see them explore further. Sadly, I recall seeing an article the other day saying they had removed the Inhumans movie from the roster of MCU flicks. So anything they do would have to be on TV.
Maybe one day......
@Thomas That would be kinda awesome though....a comic crossover at least?
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4. I'm guessing the reason the Kree didn't get to use the Hive killing weapon is probably because they never got the chance. The Inhuman uprising probably caught them off guard, they fled and left the weapon behind. The other Inhumans (probably the Royal Ones, Black Bolt, Medusa etc), kept the weapon but didn't use it because they decided banishing Hive was better and more humane. Plus they probably used it more as a threat than a weapon.This is something I'd love to see them explore further. Sadly, I recall seeing an article the other day saying they had removed the Inhumans movie from the roster of MCU flicks. So anything they do would have to be on TV.
Maybe one day......
It's been removed from the currently announced schedule. That doesn't mean it won't pop back once they advance the schedule a few more years out. It sounds like this was done at least partially because fitting Spiderman and the Ant-man sequel required something else to give.
It's been removed from the currently announced schedule. That doesn't mean it won't pop back once they advance the schedule a few more years out. It sounds like this was done at least partially because fitting Spiderman and the Ant-man sequel required something else to give.4. I'm guessing the reason the Kree didn't get to use the Hive killing weapon is probably because they never got the chance. The Inhuman uprising probably caught them off guard, they fled and left the weapon behind. The other Inhumans (probably the Royal Ones, Black Bolt, Medusa etc), kept the weapon but didn't use it because they decided banishing Hive was better and more humane. Plus they probably used it more as a threat than a weapon.This is something I'd love to see them explore further. Sadly, I recall seeing an article the other day saying they had removed the Inhumans movie from the roster of MCU flicks. So anything they do would have to be on TV.
Maybe one day......
While I wouldn't mind Ant-Man, I'm really bored with Spidey. I'd MUCH rather have the Inhumans.
Spiral,
Dunno. I'm kind of digging teenage Spidey right now. Especially since current Comic spider has become Tony Stark for...reasons.
Regarding the Royal Inhuman family, they MIGHT get something in about them during the movie. Who knows? I do know they didn't shelve the movie, just
moved it off the release schedule for 2019. There's always 2020 and 2021 folks.
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I'm guessing the Inhuman movie is having trouble on a script level. Because writing for black bolt is probably a pain. Not only is he functionally mute, but he's got one of the most OP powers in the entire MU.
Also, does anyone else find it ironic how people have a problem with Daisy's drastic rise in competence (not that that's not a valid critique) on a website of a game where people go from peasant to demigod in a matter of months?
I'm guessing the Inhuman movie is having trouble on a script level. Because writing for black bolt is probably a pain. Not only is he functionally mute, but he's got one of the most OP powers in the entire MU.
Also, does anyone else find it ironic how people have a problem with Daisy's drastic rise in competence (not that that's not a valid critique) on a website of a game where people go from peasant to demigod in a matter of months?
I don't think it's the script that will be a problem as much as the visual effects. I mean sonic screams aren't exactly THAT hard to counter. *cites Black Bolt versus Thanos*
As for the irony...I tend to have lost irony somewhere after RDJ decided to become Sherlock Holmes...
Can't Black Bolt crack planets in half by whispering or some such? We're not talking Black Canary level screaming here.
3. While it is true that Hive infection does act as kind of supreme dopamine effect, granting euphoria to most infected, it's not a sure fire control mechanism like say, telepathy or possession. I mean while Daisy DOES act under Hive's orders (like the rest of them) she's still basically in control of how and when she does stuff.
I don't know. Between Multiple Girl shooting her dupes... and Daisy flat out telling her good friend Fitz she's gonna snap his neck... I'm not getting a great amount of control here.
IF she gets free, I predict a whole lot of apologies and claims that she could hear what she was saying but didn't mean any of it...
Can't Black Bolt crack planets in half by whispering or some such? We're not talking Black Canary level screaming here.
Far as I know, it's never been shown what the upper levels on Black Bolt's scream power is. I have no idea if he can crack the planet in two or not. I always assumed it was more of a boast than truth. Now the Hulk, there's someone that can crack a planet! :)
Phantom,
Maybe but I still am of the mind Daisy is still mostly herself in terms of she's acting within her own twisted mind logic.
Hulk's upper limit of power is apparently literally infinite. Upon reading an abridged list of his feats (including holding the Earth's tectonic plates stationary...), I have no doubt he could, if he hasn't done so already.
Well, he starts off as merely "strong". The Hulk's whole schtick is you need to put him down before he amps up.
Thor and Thanos are literally gods, and Iron Man, Wolverine, and Spider-Man aren't slouches either.
The main issue is Hulk as an antagonist is, naturally, going to lose (except the times he doesn't) because that's comics.
Wouldn't be the first time a planet buster jobbed hard in comics or other fiction.
Hulk's base "calm" strength is right about on par with Thor's, maybe slightly less. However, it increases with his level of anger, and both of them increase at an exponential rate.
And very few things make the Hulk angrier than:
1) losing a fight, or
2) having someone else appear to be stronger than he is.
So like Sundakan said....it's best if you can take him out immediately. Because if you knock him down and he gets back up, he's gonna be pissed, and your chances of knocking him down again just shrunk to practically zero. Really, your absolute best chance is to try to knock out Bruce Banner.
Thor and Thanos are actually right about at the same strength levels as calm Hulk. And both of them actually also have quite a lot more power than just being tough and strong.
Despite what happened in Avengers 2, in the comics, no Hulkbuster armor has ever been even remotely effective at anything other than holding the speed record for going from highly advanced technology to scrap metal.
Wolverine's biggest advantage in a fight vs the Hulk is that his healing factor doesn't actually let Hulk kill him. As for offense...he really can't mount any, at least anything effective. Hulk's healing factor actually vastly outstrips his own, so those adamantium claws might as well be made of rubber.
Spidey's kind of like Wolverine, except instead of a healing factor keeping him alive, it's his ability to dodge the Hulk. Again, no effective offense at all.
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Several years ago, Peter Parker had a conversation with Mary Jane about fighting the Hulk. "It's not something we talk about to one another, but yeah, we think about how to fight each other if it came down to that.
"I'm pretty sure I could take the Hulk, but I think I'd have to kill him."
My guess: a couple web-shooters on full-auto, right up the Hulk's nose and down his throat.
But, hey, Agents of SHIELD.
I wonder whether Lorelei's mind-controlling powers would work against Hive.
I'm guessing the Inhuman movie is having trouble on a script level. Because writing for black bolt is probably a pain. Not only is he functionally mute, but he's got one of the most OP powers in the entire MU.
Also, does anyone else find it ironic how people have a problem with Daisy's drastic rise in competence (not that that's not a valid critique) on a website of a game where people go from peasant to demigod in a matter of months?
I am inclined to believe the official comments that inhumans is mostly being held up due to timing. Pretty much the incorporation of Spiderman knocked the release dates of all the movies back, and inhumans was at the end of the line. Plus presumably if the new properties due well they are going to end up pushing some things farther back, which I think also happened with Antman and Wasp. Dr. Strange, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel will all need sequels if they do well (which at this point is almost a certainty).