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I know you Paizo folks don't want to give us an ignore function, but I think that you should, and I'm going to give you several reasons.
- You place a high premium on civility here. Allowing people to simply ignore each other will make civility easier to achieve.
- I am not the first to request this, nor will I be the last. This is clearly something your users want. Your stated reasons for not giving it to us speak to your intended use of the boards--but our repeated requests for it speak to the realities of how they are used.
- The ignore script is not exactly unpopular. I have spoken to several people who use it and consider it a blessing; as do I. However, the author has announced he will not support it anymore, which means it will some day break when the website format changes (which, to my understanding, has happened before). Also, it has one failing, which is that it can't prevent me from seeing threads started by people I have ignored; it only prevents me from seeing their posts. This can be problematic.
- Speaking of which, there are a number of people who should long since have learned the rules who post thread after thread asking questions that are clearly answered in the documentation of this game, and when others tell them that they have been around long enough to know to check the documentation before posting, it is those others who are chastised. It is not our job to answer question after question from someone who knows perfectly well where those answers are found but refuses to open the PDF to look them up himself; if you won't allow us to point that out, it would be great if we had the option to just not see the question in the first place.
- It is my personal contention that the very best thing about the Internet is the ability to simply block the people we can't stand from our perception of existence. I can direct emails I don't want to my trash, I can block people on Facebook, I can unsubscribe from certain blogs in Feedly, I can even use Google Voice to block phone numbers I don't want calling me. But I can't block posters on the Paizo boards; my options are all or nothing. This is a design decision that, in my opinion, does not benefit the users of the boards.
So, please, reconsider. I recognize that I am not the first to ask for this. I hope you recognize that, should you refuse, I won't be the last.
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I agree with all of this except for the bullet point that starts with "speaking of which" (I do not find people who ask such questions to be offensive. The rules are also complex and very long, and as every human brain functions a bit differently, different people have different levels of ability at remembering them all, so I also tend to give the benefit of the doubt there. That is a case where I think you can answer or avoid answering; that kind of person isn't going to be helped, either way, by someone telling them they're wrong to ask a question. Although if these people irk you so badly you find it hard to control your response to them... then yes, an ignore function would definitely help.)
I can also say using the unofficial ignore script has helped me tremendously in avoiding posters who tend to trigger my anger and despair in a number of ways, making the boards more enjoyable to read and ensuring I do not get baited into responding to them. While it is ideal to say, "Well, just don't read that post," some threads--especially when someone is posting NON STOP so their posts take up half of every page or more--make that extremely difficult (and yet reading the other non-troll posts are worthwhile so I don't want to hide the thread).
Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?
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Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?
For Firefox and Chrome look HERE
-- david
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I think an ignore function is counter-productive, because in effect, it encourages the trolls.
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I think an ignore function is counter-productive, because in effect, it encourages the trolls.
Not having one hasn't prevented them.
And frankly I don't care about trolls. I care about the people who legitimately think their opinions overrule everyone else's and their actions are just fine no matter what anyone else thinks.
Yes, yes, I know, welcome to the Internet. Except most of the Internet lets you filter those people out.
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I think an ignore function is counter-productive, because in effect, it encourages the trolls.
How does it do that? Trolls live for attention. The ignore function deprives them of that attention--if people can't read what they say, and don't respond, they don't get what they are looking for, and move on.
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I think an ignore function is counter-productive, because in effect, it encourages the trolls.How does it do that? Trolls live for attention. The ignore function deprives them of that attention--if people can't read what they say, and don't respond, they don't get what they are looking for, and move on.
The sound of my voice
And the sight of my wordsAre so blissful
That no audience needs to do them justice
In other words, take a look at the recent LGBT flamewars and try to tell me, that lack of attention is going to stop anybody.
Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?For Firefox and Chrome look HERE
-- david
This thing is really the only reason I can continue to use these forums. It's done wonders.
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In other words, take a look at the recent LGBT flamewars and try to tell me, that lack of attention is going to stop anybody.
I don't care if they stop as long as I don't have to see them.
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This thing is really the only reason I can continue to use these forums. It's done wonders.Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?For Firefox and Chrome look HERE
-- david
Which is why I would argue against it. Again, if you only hear that which agrees with what you want to hear, you basically beg to be ignorant that your opinion might not be the only opinion.
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THAT and few other problems that ignore function generates:
1. Paranoia. OMG, "he" answered in my thread. Is he ... WHAT IS HE DOING? AAARGH! IS HE OUT TO GET ME AGAIN?
2. Subjective Jerkiness. Sometimes, jerkish acts are objective and can be detected by anyone ("Hi, I heard 8 edition fans all have a mandatory lobotomy, true?").
But sometimes, it's subjective and only the "target" is able to tag and flag the content. Sure, slamming somebody when *he/she can't see it* may sound like silly but ... you know, people are people. I, for one, love to do that.
Which is why I would argue against it. Again, if you only hear that which agrees with what you want to hear, you basically beg to be ignorant that your opinion might not be the only opinion.This thing is really the only reason I can continue to use these forums. It's done wonders.Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?For Firefox and Chrome look HERE
-- david
Frankly, for the people who irk me enough to get on my list in the first place, I don't care what their opinions are anyway. This just saves me the headache of having to see them.
And that tends to make my day about 50% better on its own. Definitely worth the cost of admission and the theoretical "ignorance" included.
I don't think we post in the same threads enough to bump heads to that point. I really only post in OTD (and even then a fairly limited number of threads), a few PbPs, and some of the AP forums, and comics exclusively for the OOTS thread. I've actually hidden Advice and a few other forums wholesale.
And nah, Gorbacz amuses me too much to ignore. I shouldn't smell now, I just got out of the shower. Sorry about that - it's yardwork day.
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Which is why I would argue against it. Again, if you only hear that which agrees with what you want to hear, you basically beg to be ignorant that your opinion might not be the only opinion.This thing is really the only reason I can continue to use these forums. It's done wonders.Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?For Firefox and Chrome look HERE
-- david
Frankly, for the people who irk me enough to get on my list in the first place, I don't care what their opinions are anyway. This just saves me the headache of having to see them.
And that tends to make my day about 50% better on its own. Definitely worth the cost of admission and the theoretical "ignorance" included.
I can think of a ton of people I would rather not be on this messageboard anymore.
I'm sure just as many think of me the same...
But if they are going to be here, saying things I disagree with, I want to provide the counter narrative.
As I'm sure they want to provide a counter narrative to my perspective.
If this messageboard has any actual influence on the game (which I think it does) I don't want statements I disagree with going unchallenged because all the reasonable people have ignore on.
Since I tend to stay very far away from the parts of the forum where those kinds of debates go on, it's not really a loss for me. Advice, Rules Questions, the entire Campaign Setting section, and a few others... all triangled up.
I don't mind the lack. There's two or three people I really, really don't like 'cos there views made several ladies I know want to take more self defence classes, so I ignore them. I just don't read what they have to say. I'm not interested in anything they have to say because I lost all respect for them, so it's easy to do.
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Orthos, Gorbacz says he's sorry. He's done a lot of reflecting and has concluded you were completely right.
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All you posters that cause so much angst in others that they feel the need to request an ignore function make me sick.If a post on a messageboard from a total stranger causes you "angst"...
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains...
Frankly the idiot who came up with the original sticks and stones line was wrong in a way I don't have words for so there's that too.
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The ignore script was all but necessary for me to enjoy this site for a long time.
Then they banned shal-- eh, nevermind.
Heh. Ignore function.
Why do I keep getting an image of "Mommy! Mommy! Please make the bad person go away!"
I can't think of anyone I'd ignore. Frankly the ones that seem to piss the most people off are the ones I find most interesting.
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Which is why I would argue against it. Again, if you only hear that which agrees with what you want to hear, you basically beg to be ignorant that your opinion might not be the only opinion.This thing is really the only reason I can continue to use these forums. It's done wonders.Beg pardon, but what is this 'unofficial ignore script' that has been mentioned here?For Firefox and Chrome look HERE
-- david
Frankly, for the people who irk me enough to get on my list in the first place, I don't care what their opinions are anyway. This just saves me the headache of having to see them.
And that tends to make my day about 50% better on its own. Definitely worth the cost of admission and the theoretical "ignorance" included.
Yes.
And I find that the people I need to put on ignore aren't the people who disagree with me. It's the people who react so poorly to others disagreeing with THEM that they take any disagreement as a personal attack and thus turn everything into a fight. And/or they threadspam in an attempt to silence any other opinion. Since this kind of person is often, effectively, ignoring other points of view, it's only then that I decide theirs aren't worth considering.
In fact, especially with the threadspamming issue--say, when a page seems to consist mostly of one person's posts, saying oft-belligerent variations of the same thing over and over again, the ignore function is the cleanest way to remove their noise so I can see the posts of other people who actually have a variety of well-spoken opinions, differing from mine and then some, worth reading and responding to.
If Pazio wants to add a ignore function I probably would not use it. I really can't think of anybody here I would ignore...most of the time I consider my disagreements with fellow posters to be civil and have just dropped things when the other side starts getting personal.
I have been on message boards with ignore features before and only ignored one person...who came out with personal attacks on me for some reason.
What would be nice is a way to see who has ignored. I have always been curious about who (if anyone) is ignoring me.
Heh. Ignore function.
Why do I keep getting an image of "Mommy! Mommy! Please make the bad person go away!"
I can't think of anyone I'd ignore. Frankly the ones that seem to piss the most people off are the ones I find most interesting.
Not ignoring certain people makes my posts get deleted, because I myself have a temper. It's that simple. I like my posts to stay undeleted.
Can we get a list of people who ignore is? I would love to think my random posts have impacted someone in someway.
There's a button for that.
How do I ignore this thread...Don't read it.
I'm afraid it is too late for that.
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I can ignore posts by people I don't want to read from quite well without any technical help. by the way.
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I can ignore posts by people I don't want to read from quite well without any technical help. by the way.
Not everyone can.
How do I ignore this thread...
In the forum display, click the little ø button to the right of the thread.
Okay, I'm going to keep my point here simple:
Augh! No! No no no bad wrong!
This is the official statement of the Kobold Cleaver Fans' Debate Team, run by Kobold Cleaver. And before Wolfy and the little piece of crud who thinks he's of my species show up, no, you're not in the KCF, you're in a fake club. It's not real. Go away.
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I always kind of wonder if the people who dislike the idea of an ignore feature are the ones who are afraid they are going to be ignored.
My general experience in places that have them, the conversation was still rich, so loss of quality of dialogue isn't an issue. People generally ignored a handful people, but it was a way of avoiding "that one guy" who ruined every conversation for you and made the boards a stressful place to be.
Let me put it this way... if it were not for the unofficial ignore script, I would stop coming here, except for PBPs. There are a handful of people capable of ruining my day enough that it makes being here stressful and unpleasant. If I can click a button and their presence no longer triggers my stress, then I can enjoy the boards in peace. If I have to rely on myself to just skim past the people who frustrate me, that can be hard--especially because again, they are threadspammers--and if I happen to notice them being jerks and bullies and advocates of bullies, it can in fact ruin my day.
Yes, I am a softhearted pansy who lets other people's nastiness get to me. I prefer it that way because the flipside means I am still empathetic to other people. I save my thick skin for writing.
Fact remains, if the ignore script ever broke and Paizo never provided an official one, I'd probably leave.
Of course, I'm sure I just gave Paizo and the rest of the community more reasons not to want/implement an ignore script. :) (Getting rid of DeathQuaker. Bonus!)
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My general experience in places that have them, the conversation was still rich, so loss of quality of dialogue isn't an issue. People generally ignored a handful people, but it was a way of avoiding "that one guy" who ruined every conversation for you and made the boards a stressful place to be.
Let me put it this way... if it were not for the unofficial ignore script, I would stop coming here, except for PBPs. There are a handful of people capable of ruining my day enough that it makes being here stressful and unpleasant. If I can click a button and their presence no longer triggers my stress, then I can enjoy the boards in peace. If I have to rely on myself to just skim past the people who frustrate me, that can be hard--especially because again, they are threadspammers--and if I happen to notice them being jerks and bullies and advocates of bullies, it can in fact ruin my day.
This. All of this. So much.
If/when the day comes, now that another_mage is apparently no longer working on the script, that it ceases to function, I will either be limiting my presence to a very small subsection of the forum and hiding everything not in that, or ceasing to be here completely. Or at the very least hiding entire threads as soon as I notice any of the offender's posts, and as DQ stated earlier that's a loss of potentially good discussion all due to the presence of a single troublesome person or two.
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I have no intention to use an ignore function but I sure as hell know there are certain posters that make them necessary for others.
And honestly I'd hate to see other posters driven away because of those guys.
Case in point on DQ's issue with ignoring whole threads: Certain threads are very long and have developed into a sort of positive oasis to discuss matters that tend to be flame/troll-targets. These threads tend to be free of that crap. But every now and then you get someone that wants to #%€* on everyone else's day, and they take over those threads, poisoning the discussion and making those nice, positive threads something miserable for those the thread was geared towards.
This happens with everything from threads geared towards specific gameplay styles to much more serious examples like the LGBT gaming community thread.
That, and certain posters also have a tendency towards misery tourism and really wanting to send people on such trips, all while playing the innocent as their regular schtick. And they also take that into threads that are meant to be safe places.
If an ignore function helps us keep folks that those posters would drive away...hell, it's got my vote. I wish we didn't need one. But I want to keep the community together and healthy that much more.
tl;dr : DQ and Orthos are good eggs and I'd rather they continued feeling at home here and in specific threads.
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[Runs naked through the thread]