From what I've seen, and done, yes. You can have durable adamantine arrows, or even viridium durable arrows. Just make sure the material can be made into an arrow, or ammunition, or arrowhead beforehand.
Resurrecting this thread for my question.
Can you make a durable Thistle arrow? I am understanding that things like special materials can be added onto things like durable arrows, but a thistle arrow and even a blunt arrow are just special arrowheads on normal arrows. Adding 1 GP for thistle onto a durable arrow work?
Here is the text for Thistle arrow:
"Thistle Arrow: These arrows are a specialty of the Ekujae shamans, who craft the arrowheads out of the thistles of a toxic plant that most creatures find highly caustic. They deal normal damage but then become embedded in the wound and deal an additional 1 point of damage each round for 1d6 rounds from their irritating sap. Creatures immune to poison are immune to this extra damage. A creature can remove an embedded thistle arrow as a move action without provoking attacks of opportunity, but doing so deals an additional 1d3 points of damage as the thorny barbs are pulled free. A DC 12 Heal check (made as a standard action) can pull free a thistle arrow’s head without dealing any additional damage. A single thistle arrow costs 1 gp."
1 GP per thistle arrow that has a 50% to break isn't too expensive, but I just want to see if this is legal, especially for PFS.
"A creature can remove an embedded thistle arrow as a move action without provoking attacks of opportunity, but doing so deals an additional 1d3 points of damage as the thorny barbs are pulled free."
According to this part, you can pull it all out, thus keeping it all intact.
Alright, so I figure the rules about removing the arrow no longer apply with the errata, but I'm still left with wondering if durable arrows can be combined with thistle.
Well the errata just says the thistles are from a poisonous plant, and not that they're covered in poison. I imagine the bleed damage comes from the arrow head design.
In rules terms, is it subject to arguing if it's indeed some substance that can't be reused, because right now all I want to know is if I can make this arrow durable or not, regardless if someone wants to say the bleed damage would or would not exist later.
1 GP per thistle arrow that has a 50% to break isn't too expensive, but I just want to see if this is legal, especially for PFS.
Even it if is "legal" it is questionable, so I wouldn't try it in PFS.
In a home game, go to town. I've been in games where the tedium of counting arrows was handwaved entirely.
Do Durable Arrows break, if used in melee, as an improvised weapon?
Yes. Well, they CAN break if they otherwise would.
Benefit: Durable arrows don’t break due to normal use, whether or not they hit their target; unless the arrow goes missing, an archer can retrieve and reuse a durable arrow again and again. Durable arrows can be broken in other ways (such as deliberate snapping, hitting a fire elemental, and so on).
This states that durable arrows can be broken. It also states that they don't break due to NORMAL use. Using an arrow as a melee weapon is not normal use.
BBT: didn't you ask that in this thread too ?
There is an elf feat all about arrow melee action, but I forget the details.
Someone at my pfs table was pretty rude about "expectations", so I'm trying to appease them a bit by making equipment purchases, while being smart about it but that puts me in the zone of investigating legality issues. I'm still trying to figure out how splintercloud arrows work so I can pull them out on the fly to fend off swarms.
Is using it in melee covered in the "and so on" part, or is it DM discretion?
What about attacking an object, like a rope?
What is the normal use of an arrow ? Being fired from a bow.
Did you fire your durable arrow from a bow against this rope ?
If yes, then your durable arrow does not break as this is normal use.
If no, then if a normal arrow would break from whatever you've done, then a durable arrow would break from it as well.
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Is using it in melee covered in the "and so on" part, or is it DM discretion?
What about attacking an object, like a rope?
What is the normal use of an arrow ? Being fired from a bow.
Did you fire your durable arrow from a bow against this rope ?
If yes, then your durable arrow does not break as this is normal use.
If no, then if a normal arrow would break from whatever you've done, then a durable arrow would break from it as well.
Well, it says it can be broken in other ways, not that it will be broken if used in any other way.
I mean, by what you are saying, if an Archer Fighter uses a Durable Arrow with his Trick Shot ability, or an Elf uses the Stabbing Shot feat a Durable Arrow, it will break, as it is not used in "the normal way".
Slashing (serpent tongue) arrows exist?
I mean, by what you are saying, if an Archer Fighter uses a Durable Arrow with his Trick Shot ability, or an Elf uses the Stabbing Shot feat a Durable Arrow, it will break, as it is not used in "the normal way".
The fact that it is a durable arrow prevents only the breaking of that arrow from the normal, general rule "Generally speaking, ammunition that hits its target is destroyed or rendered useless, while ammunition that misses has a 50% chance of being destroyed or lost." rule. The fact that it is a durable arrow does not protect from any other situation(s) that are not normal use that would break a regular arrow.
Now, as to your specific examples:
Trick Shot: At 3rd level, an archer can choose one of the following combat maneuvers or actions: disarm, feint, or sunder. He can perform this action with a bow against any target within 30 feet, with a –4 penalty to his CMB. Every four levels beyond 3rd, he may choose an additional trick shot to learn. These maneuvers use up arrows as normal.
Nothing changes here. Arrows used "as normal". Durable arrows survive.
Trick Shot:At 11th level, he may also choose from the following combat maneuvers: bull rush, grapple, trip. A target grappled by an arrow can break free by destroying the archer’s arrow (hardness 5, hit points 1, break DC 13) or with an Escape Artist or CMB check (against the archer’s CMD –4).
Durable arrows do not survive here if the target destroys the arrow. I don't even think a durable arrow gets any boost to its hardness or hit points.
Stabbing ShotBenefit: When adjacent to an opponent and making a full-attack action with a longbow or shortbow (including composite bows), you may choose to make a melee attack against that opponent with a drawn arrow rather than firing it.
Making a melee attack with an arrow is not a normal use of an arrow. If a regular arrow would be broken by this action (and I'm not 100% certain it would), so would a durable arrow.