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You can shop between sessions.
1) Play PFS.
2) Go Home.
3) Shop.
4) Fill out your ITS.
5) Show up to a game day.
6) Show your GM your new ITS.
7) GM peruses and signs off.
8) GM notes purchase on the Chronicle of the day.Andy, I'm disappointed! You forgot the obligatory "PROFIT!" step at the end!
;)
He didn't include "steal underpants", so it's okay. :-)
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I presume that the current expectation includes a point at which the GM still reviews the Item Tracking Sheet.
"Your druid only has 18 prestige, Sean. You'll need to wait before you can buy the +1, merciful glaive."
"You know, you still don't have anything that helps you cope underwater, Yvette. Have you considered buying a couple vials of elixir of swimming?"
If not, then the tracking sheet isn't doing its job.
If so, writing his initials takes literally a second. It is the smallest of "no big thing".
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If a player loses his character's Chronicles, he can't play that character until a Venture Officer helps him restore them. What are the ramifications of a player losing his ITS?
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Before play, players note to GM what they have purchased since last game--items are already listed on ITS. After game, GM hands out chronicle, players note purchases made after last game which are already on ITS, GM checks math quickly & signs, everyone goes home, decides on next purchases, notes them on ITS, moves on with life. This corresponds to the way it has been working for many, except now it's officially okay, and an efficient adaptation to make everyone happy. Despite the longer list of steps, it is essentially the same process.
Yes?
Actually, no, it's not the current process. At least in my observation, the way it's working right now is:
GM signs chronicle, hands it out, players go home, make purchases, fill in, calculate gold, move on with life.
as you say. The difference is that you have the GM verifying anything at all, which in current practice almost never seems to happen, unless a player is doing something during the game that seems surprising. Only then, maybe, does the GM even look at anything on a chronicle sheet other than what he's just written before handing it out, signed but mostly unfilled.
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If I as GM sign off a inventory tracking sheet do I also need to sign off the chronicles it references?
If I as GM sign off on items on a chronicle sheet do I also need to sign off on the tracking sheet?
GMs don't sign the ITS; that was the original thought but it has been gone for days.
Edit: Well, a day, maybe. I dunno, this conversation is moving pretty fast.
That is what I was afraid of. Can a different GM sign off on items purchased? If not I could see myself waiting a looooooooong time after games for players to decide what it is they want to buy.
I didn't mind the idea of having to sign a inventory tracking sheet and it being something any GM can edit. I don't like the idea of players having to make up their mind about what they want to buy before I can sign and hand over their chronicle.
I know that I can write the items on that they want to buy at the start of scenario, but I also know I"m going to have some players who will insist on using the 7k gold they get right after the adventure but do not know what they want.
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Its been stated many, many, many, many times in the 3 threads...
Step-by-step:
1) Player plays first game.
2) GM gives chronicle sheet with everything purchases before and during session noted on it (with accompanying ITS).
3) Player goes home and shops.
4) Player fills out ITS with new purchases.
5) Player shows up at next game with ITS.
6) GM glances at and ok's ITS, and notes the purchase on new chronicle.
7) Rinse and repeat.
If I as GM sign off a inventory tracking sheet do I also need to sign off the chronicles it references?
If I as GM sign off on items on a chronicle sheet do I also need to sign off on the tracking sheet?
GMs don't sign the ITS; that was the original thought but it has been gone for days.
Edit: Well, a day, maybe. I dunno, this conversation is moving pretty fast.
That is what I was afraid of. Can a different GM sign off on items purchased? If not I could see myself waiting a looooooooong time after games for players to decide what it is they want to buy.
I didn't mind the idea of having to sign a inventory tracking sheet and it being something any GM can edit. I don't like the idea of players having to make up their mind about what they want to buy before I can sign and hand over their chronicle.
I know that I can write the items on that they want to buy at the start of scenario, but I also know I"m going to have some players who will insist on using the 7k gold they get right after the adventure but do not know what they want.
You don't have to wait around for the players to decide on what they want.
Sign the Chronicle sheet with any gold spent. Players go home, decide what they want, put it on the ITS. Next game, they show it to the GM, who looks it over, says yea or nay. Play game. Player adds the content new items form the ITS to the chronicle sheet. GM signs new chronicle sheet.
Maybe we need to ask Paizo to lock the three threads. Start a new one, with the updated process and information on it.
Probably less confusion at that point.
I suggested that yesterday morning in one of these threads, but to no avail (obviously).Maybe we need to ask Paizo to lock the three threads. Start a new one, with the updated process and information on it.
Probably less confusion at that point.
Maybe one of us should start one, and see if these three drop off.
"Updated rules for the Inventory Tracking Sheet"
Or would we just be adding to the confusion?
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Before play, players note to GM what they have purchased since last game--items are already listed on ITS. After game, GM hands out chronicle, players note purchases made after last game which are already on ITS, GM checks math quickly & signs, everyone goes home, decides on next purchases, notes them on ITS, moves on with life. This corresponds to the way it has been working for many, except now it's officially okay, and an efficient adaptation to make everyone happy. Despite the longer list of steps, it is essentially the same process.
Yes?
Actually, no, it's not the current process. At least in my observation, the way it's working right now is:
GM signs chronicle, hands it out, players go home, make purchases, fill in, calculate gold, move on with life.
as you say. The difference is that you have the GM verifying anything at all, which in current practice almost never seems to happen, unless a player is doing something during the game that seems surprising. Only then, maybe, does the GM even look at anything on a chronicle sheet other than what he's just written before handing it out, signed but mostly unfilled.
Right, right, but that's what we were SUPPOSED to be doing. So I think this addresses the combination of how the current process works and how it's supposed to work, with the ITC as mediator.
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Its been stated many, many, many, many times in the 3 threads...
Step-by-step:
1) Player plays first game.
2) GM gives chronicle sheet with everything purchases before and during session noted on it (with accompanying ITS).
3) Player goes home and shops.
4) Player fills out ITS with new purchases.
5) Player shows up at next game with ITS.
6) GM glances at and ok's ITS, and notes the purchase on new chronicle.
7) Rinse and repeat.Step 2? Does that include all starting gear? Or is this just for things bought in-game?
If it's starting gear, how does that work with 1st level rebuilds? You can totally change your character, but you're stuck with the original gear?I also assume in most cases, the player, not the GM will be noting the purchases on the Chronicle. Just for efficiency. The GM will sign off, but he doesn't have to copy everyone's list onto each Chronicle.
Starting Gear should be included on the ITS, only if its cost is 25gp or more.
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I suggested that yesterday morning in one of these threads, but to no avail (obviously).Maybe we need to ask Paizo to lock the three threads. Start a new one, with the updated process and information on it.
Probably less confusion at that point.
Maybe one of us should start one, and see if these three drop off.
"Updated rules for the Inventory Tracking Sheet"
Or would we just be adding to the confusion?
I thought about doing that earlier today, but concluded that it would just lead to confusion unless this thread gets locked in the process.
Which would be cool with me, if staff wants to do so.
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I suggested that yesterday morning in one of these threads, but to no avail (obviously).Maybe we need to ask Paizo to lock the three threads. Start a new one, with the updated process and information on it.
Probably less confusion at that point.
Maybe one of us should start one, and see if these three drop off.
"Updated rules for the Inventory Tracking Sheet"
Or would we just be adding to the confusion?
As long as the other threads are active, and if the initial post is not an official "This is how things currently stand" post by a CC, then yeah, it would just add to the confusion.
But I also agree the current thread should be closed and a new official thread started with all official modification listed in the OP, so there will not longer be folks asking if they need to sign off on PC purchases on the ITS, etc.
It would also be good to have the discussion removed from the vitriol that was thrown from both sides earlier in this thread as well.
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Step 2? Does that include all starting gear? Or is thIf it's starting gear, how does that work with 1st level rebuilds? You can totally change your character, but you're stuck with the original gear?
Luckily items cheaper than 25gp don't need to be tracked so the number of items moving changes
However when you reverse stuff at 1st level it all goes on chronicle so when sold or gone has a chronicle
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But it all needs to go on the first Chronicle sheet?Starting Gear should be included on the ITS, only if its cost is 25gp or more.Its been stated many, many, many, many times in the 3 threads...
Step-by-step:
1) Player plays first game.
2) GM gives chronicle sheet with everything purchases before and during session noted on it (with accompanying ITS).
3) Player goes home and shops.
4) Player fills out ITS with new purchases.
5) Player shows up at next game with ITS.
6) GM glances at and ok's ITS, and notes the purchase on new chronicle.
7) Rinse and repeat.Step 2? Does that include all starting gear? Or is this just for things bought in-game?
If it's starting gear, how does that work with 1st level rebuilds? You can totally change your character, but you're stuck with the original gear?
I typically write "starting gear" for the slew of cheap crap one usually buys to start their adventuring career. and then a cost.
You can list out the items on the back of that chronicle if you wanted.
If it is more than 25gp, you should list that item out specifically. I'd also suggest listing out any animals individually too.
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I don't list starting gear on Chronicles, and unless leadership clarifies that I have to, I'm not going to start. My first three+ chronicles don't track equipment at all, they either say "1st Level Rebuild" if they're player chronicles or "GM Credit" if they're GM chronicles (since rebuilds mean new gear, and GM characters don't get built until they're actually played).
Look, guys, not for nothin', but this doesn't change anything. The policy has, apparently, always been that a GM signs a chronicle after purchases are written in. I don't think having duplicate lists on the ITS is going to make people start doing that if they've been ignoring it all along. And even if it does, it's not going to change anything for those of us who like to contemplate our purchases except which Chronicle it gets written on.
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Its been stated many, many, many, many times in the 3 threads...
Step-by-step:
1) Player plays first game.
2) GM gives chronicle sheet with everything purchases before and during session noted on it (with accompanying ITS).
3) Player goes home and shops.
4) Player fills out ITS with new purchases.
5) Player shows up at next game with ITS.
6) GM glances at and ok's ITS, and notes the purchase on new chronicle.
7) Rinse and repeat.
Thank you Andrew, listing it out in individual steps is much easier for me understand.
Last question, I think, do the items purchases/sold on the chronicle need an additional signature, or is the single signature in the grey section assumed to be signing off on items too?
I'm thinking that items may need individual signatures because unscrupulous players could add items otherwise.