Valravn would be pretty cool, though I'd hope they'd use the shapeshifting raven/knight who feeds on blood rather than the wolf-bird interpretation. I'd prefer that immensely over something anyone could make with the lycanthrope template, since they're easy as hell and not very imaginative.I see people wish for Werejaguars and wereraven.
Those people clearly don't care or don't want to know about Valravn, Raven Mockers, Nagual and other such awesome creatures.
Werefox? Kitsune?
For me were+any-beast are the same catogorie as Element+Drake, Environment+Giant or Element+Elemental, but many people are magically hooked by such creatures. In my opinion they are kinda cheap and easy, and after a couple of them I don't see a reason to have more of them.
And Raven Mocker is the perfect wereraven replacer for me, but I agree on the Valravn, rather see a giant raven that eats corpses to take their form, not the griffon wannabe.
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I actually like the Elemental + Elemental, simply because I use elementals a lot and I'd like for kineticists to be able to combine their powers to create sand elementals if they can manipulate air and earth for example, but for now I just have to homebrew them.
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I'll pop in and say that I have my own reason for liking new were-creatures to be put in print. As a Herolab user, it would take me a whole bunch of work to program a new lycanthrope into the system. In fact, the two APs that use non-standard lycanthropes are a bother for this reason.
So I'll say that if they want to give us a werejaguar or wereraven, they can be my guest. ^_^
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I think the biggest issue with getting new lycanthropes is that literally no lycanthrope stats are needed. Just use the template.And mythology holds many animal-people that are not only much more interesting and special than the were-D&D's-fill-in-any-animal, but also are more original as they aren't taken from D&D.Of course, I just don't care if we get any additional Were-animals. Shapeshifting animals from myth have value. But generic Were-Animal, not really.
I mean, there are some really cool animal shapeshifters, like hags which transform into bees or monsterous humanoids based on berserkers who can wear an animals skin to take it's form.
I see people wish for Werejaguars and wereraven.
Those people clearly don't care or don't want to know about Valravn, Raven Mockers, Nagual and other such awesome creatures.
Werefox? Kitsune?
When I was younger though, the werefox from D&D was my favorite monster, but only because they are very vain and like myself narcists.
As someone with some passing familiarity with Valravns and Raven Mockers, They really only have superficial resemblance to typical were creatures. So they don't really fill a Were-raven niche, especially since I imagine Were-ravens would take inspiration from Native American beliefs regarding the Raven as a trickster spirit, but would have the typical were-creature traits of being a person who can take animal or hybrid animal form.
In contrast, a Valravn is a raven-like monster, sometimes depicted as a winged wolf, who gains power from eating the dead, and can only take human form after consuming the heart of a child.
Similarly, Raven Mockers are monstrous creatures of the witch/undead persuasion, who are invisible demons or spellcasters who hunt the elderly and sick, slaying people without leaving a mark. They can prolong their own lives which each heart/soul taken.
Both monsters only have a connection to ravens, and neither occupy the niche of were-creature of popular culture.
Saying that people should just want the Valravn instead of a wereraven is like me ordering a Reuben in a restaurant and being told I should be happy with a hamburger. Yes...both involve meat between two pieces of bread, but they are not the same thing.
I like the idea of the Valravn being a winged wolf that can only take human form after eating a person's heart.
I like the idea of the Valravn being a winged wolf that can only take human form after eating a person's heart.If they went with this, I wouldn't be surprised to see it tied into the peryton in some way, since there'd be a certain amount of overlap there. ^_^
Overlap? (Perytons can't even shapeshift)
But twenty different/yet-very-much-the-same lycanthropes isn't?
I know Nagual, valravn, Raven Mocker aren't Were-ravens or were-jaguars, that's why I said they are BETTER and more unique.
Were-raven is just D&D, hopefully not even in the copyright section.
Yeah, I see that Perytons also take hearts and it would be interested if they were related some how or created by the same person or entity.
I'd like to see some werevermin personally.
Oooo...WERE-SPIDERS! Also Were-Apes and Were-Serpents would be totally cool too. ^_^
This is the bestiary 5 topic, not the NPC Codex topic, so why should I get out?
Perhaps JiCi is somewhat upset because your bringing up an issue that has nothing to do with a Bestiary 5 Wishlist. That said I think his reaction was a bit, er, harsh. Let's all try and get along. ^_^
I want a Golem for every gemstone and mineral of my new pinterest page!
Or (and hear my out on this one) maybe a better approach is for golems types to be made more out of certain types of objects (aka manacles, rope, paper, mud) and less of certain types of substances. While I wouldn't mind a few gemstone golems (amber is one I'd like to see) perhaps a better approach is to just make a general gemstone golem (a golem made of various gemstones with a high CR)
If you'd still want to go for a variety of gemstone golems then I'd recommend four golems made of precious gemstones (aka emerald, ruby, sapphire, and diamond) and then maybe three golems made of semiprecious gemstones (aka amber, amethyst, and topaz). That way it doesn't fill up an entire Bestiary with golems.
I will say however that I would like to see more OPTIONS for golems and golem making. I'm still a bit miffed we didn't get an "armor plating", "extra limbs", or "weapon training" series of options when they came out with a variety of options for golem making (I might be wrong on a few of those though).
I like the idea of the Valravn being a winged wolf that can only take human form after eating a person's heart.
Or better yet, a evil-aligned winged wolf that can gain temporary hit points and other bonuses (including taking human form) from eating the corpses (freshly killed or otherwise) of humanoids.
So they don't really fill a Were-raven niche, especially since I imagine Were-ravens would take inspiration from Native American beliefs regarding the Raven as a trickster spirit, but would have the typical were-creature traits of being a person who can take animal or hybrid animal form.
I've always been fond of the White Wolf approach to Were-Ravens. Beings deeply tied to nature and the spiritual world who, while fond of playing pranks on evil doers, do not tolerant a malign presence.
They could have unique powers like making their wing feathers as sharp as blades or summoning (or becoming) raven swarms (or Murder of Crows as I think their called).
Perhaps their powers could be balanced out with an additional weakness (aka on top of being weak to weapons made of silver they are also weak to weapons made of gold as well).
I can't place exactly why... but turning a sentient malevolent raven that can shapechange into warriors who's corpses they feed on into just a generic "Animal + Wings that eats people" sounds really really really boring.
@ Berselius, that was a joke, to show you guys how I see about every-single-animal + Lycanthrope, this is pretty much the same. Of course I don't want a every-gemstone-golem, that wouldn't make much sense.
I'm not a fan of templates, but Lycanthrope would be a good one.
We could use some gemstone golems such as emerald, ruby, and diamond.
Last I remember were creatures have to be based vertebrates. But if they break that rule I would say wereslugs;)
We could use some gemstone golems such as emerald, ruby, and diamond.
Last I remember were creatures have to be based vertebrates. But if they break that rule I would say wereslugs;)
They don't need to be vertebrates, they have to be animals. It's just that most (not all) invertebrates are vermin. You could have a octopus lycanthrope for example.
They don't need to be vertebrates, they have to be animals. It's just that most (not all) invertebrates are vermin. You could have a octopus lycanthrope for example.We could use some gemstone golems such as emerald, ruby, and diamond.
Last I remember were creatures have to be based vertebrates. But if they break that rule I would say wereslugs;)
I think James Jacob though has said that Paizo plans on limiting lycanthrope options to vertebrates. So they would probably have to come up with some sort of new subtype for inverts
I think James Jacob though has said that Paizo plans on limiting lycanthrope options to vertebrates. So they would probably have to come up with some sort of new subtype for inverts
... But... It's a template... It can make whatever the template can make. James Jacob's statement is pretty irrelevant in this case unless they errata Lycanthropes to disallow invertebrates.
Even if they never stat up a single invertebrate lycanthrope in their bestiary sample lycanthropes, they are still an option of lycanthrope that is available.
Considering we haven't seen anything but vertebrates I am sure that will not change. Also there are very few creatures of the animal type that are invertebrates.
Why are you guys requesting more lycanthropes... when you can make your own pretty easily?
Were-serpents, were-ravens, were-foxes and were-jackals can all be done normally with the template at hand, all you need is the right base animal for it. Furthermore, no lycanthrope has their own set of rules, so... no fret about missing an ability or two.
I dunno, but I feel like it would be a waste of spots to add more lycanthropes in the book when people can already create their own versions.
Were-vermins on the other hand...
On topic... how about "physical manifestations of magic"?
- a spirit of evocation magic
- a spirit of abjuration magic
- a spirit of conjuration magic
- etc...
A spellcaster dies, his spirit gets reborned as a living eldritch creature. That would be a nice set of creatures.
Also, I don't know HOW it would be doable, BUT... I'd like Huge, Gargantuan and/or Colossal creatures and/or classes of creatures, but at a low CR, like below CR 12, 10 or even 8. I want to give PCs a challenge against bigger creatures WITHOUT having to wait 10 levels to be a suitable encounter.
I dunno... a new race of giants, a species of sand worms, a group of drakes, name it... Pretty sure you can get Huge, Gargautuan and Colossal creatures without having to go into high-level play.
Why are you guys requesting more lycanthropes... when you can make your own pretty easily?
Were-serpents, were-ravens, were-foxes and were-jackals can all be done normally with the template at hand, all you need is the right base animal for it. Furthermore, no lycanthrope has their own set of rules, so... no fret about missing an ability or two.
I dunno, but I feel like it would be a waste of spots to add more lycanthropes in the book when people can already create their own versions.
Were-vermins on the other hand...
Yeah, this is what I was trying to say.
On topic... how about "physical manifestations of magic"?
- a spirit of evocation magic
- a spirit of abjuration magic
- a spirit of conjuration magic
- etc...A spellcaster dies, his spirit gets reborned as a living eldritch creature. That would be a nice set of creatures.
I'd like to see these as elementals.
Also, I don't know HOW it would be doable, BUT... I'd like Huge, Gargantuan and/or Colossal creatures and/or classes of creatures, but at a low CR, like below CR 12, 10 or even 8. I want to give PCs a challenge against bigger creatures WITHOUT having to wait 10 levels to be a suitable encounter.
I dunno... a new race of giants, a species of sand worms, a group of drakes, name it... Pretty sure you can get Huge, Gargautuan and Colossal creatures without having to go into high-level play.
Could chuck giant creature on large sized creatures one or three times.
Reported by Dale McCoy Jr on the Paizocon spoiler thread:
"*question about occult monsters in the book [Occult Adventures]*
Erik: We couldn't fit monsters in the book but we have the Occult Bestiary as a hardback this fall ... Which I am not sure it is announced yet.
Jason: I think we just did."
of course there already is a softcover Occult Bestiary coming out, so not sure if this is a result of confusion between books by the Paizo peeps, Occult Bestiary is getting bumped up significantly in size, or if we are just getting Bestiary 5 with a large occult component.
official announcement, either way, should occur at the banquet tonight.
Well regardless if it is a Bestiary 5 or big Occult Bestiary, the fact were getting a hardcover bestiary makes me very happy. Thanks for the info MMCJawa:)
Well regardless if it is a Bestiary 5 or big Occult Bestiary, the fact were getting a hardcover bestiary makes me very happy. Thanks for the info MMCJawa:)
Well I would still express caution here...its possible there was a slip in terminology here and they really are just talking about the Occult Bestiary that we already knew was coming out. Mostly because I don't think they would have two different books named "Occult Bestiary" coming out within a short time frame, so we should probably not read TOO much into offhand comments.
(although looking at the Occult Bestiary thread, some of the comments by Paizo folks do sort of suggest a hardcover bestiary, reading between the lines)
Well we should find out for sure tonight, right?
oof Brandon does indeed confirm that the paizo folks were referring to the Occult Bestiary that was already announced, and it was a mistake to refer to it as Hardcover.
Carry on, Carry on...
Oh well, still can't wait for the banquet product announcements.
Well Sincubus and Dragon78 should be happy...Bestiary 5 confirmed as final RPG hardback!
Dream Dragons! Flying Monkeys! Aliens! More Mythic and Occult content!
I am happy, we have aliens, dream dragons, and flying moneys.
Hopefully more info tomorrow, plus I imagine they will have the product page up soonish...
oh jeez...I just noticed the two aliens in the art preview were labeled. So we are definitely getting Grays and also getting Annunaki
I thought I would never see "Grays" in pathfinder I even more surprised about the Annunaki. I like the art for both of them as well.
I wonder if the Dream Dragons will be the next set of 5 true dragons will be or are they something else.
Here's the confirmation for dis-believers :P
Fall 2015 for the release apparently.
I wonder if the Dream Dragons will be the next set of 5 true dragons will be or are they something else.
Well, they've been adding true dragons in every Bestiary so far, I'd say that it's possible.
I am sure there will be 5 new dragons wether these dream dragons are them or something else is the question. Though there is a good chance they are but you never know.
I think it'd be abit weird if the Dream Dragons mentioned as part of Bestiary 5 aren't the books True Dragons.
yeah I am betting the Dream Dragons will be the new 5 dragon set.
I can't wait to see the product page for this one. I am really curios what else is in this book.
Well Sincubus and Dragon78 should be happy...Bestiary 5 confirmed as final RPG hardback!
Dream Dragons! Flying Monkeys! Aliens! More Mythic and Occult content!
Juppieeeeeee!!!
But more Occult Content, does that mean more Nightmare Spellweavers, Minotaur Mindreaders and Gorgon Psychicqueens? (Like the psychic annis/hag in Occult Bestiary)
That would be something i'm not a fan of, but i'm extremely happy for bestiary 5 anyway!!!
i'm so glad I was wrong!
Hopefully some of my beasties made it in! At least the Xiao/Hsigo (flying monkey) is one of them.
I'm sure it will be pretty much like the Bestiary 5, with new Kaiju, Devil Lords (isntead of demons) some more celestial lords and 5 new dragons. (though i'm more of a fan of Bestiary 2 and 3, with LOTS of 1 page monsters, bestiary 4 was more about 2-pagers.)
Does it say anything about Robots?
We will find out more about it today...eventually.
I will probably find out about Cherufe, Karkadann, Batibat, Kamaitachi and all other awesome mythology beasts around November... As they mostly talk about the overused creatures like they did with the Bestiary 4, the most famous like Kaiju, Demon Lords and Aliens are mostly the ones I don't care about. Bestiary 4 was all about Cthulu... Hopefully some of my myth creatures steal the show early this time around.
if there are my least loved Robots in the bestiary 5, we will know when the product got a page, as they want to make commercials with such creatures.
I have to wait a loooooong time for information I crave for. :-(
Gladly there is THE WITCHER 3 to help me out a bit.
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And please Kthulu (or whatever) don't create a Bestiary 6 topic already, wait until the book is OUT for once.
There will be new psychopomps I think too, as the random-standin cover for the bestiary 5 shows off a Grim Reaper, so i'm betting such creatures will shine in bestiary 5.
I agree with Sincubus...lets hold off on a new Bestiary thread until the book is released...
Also, occult rules simply means the monsters will use them, not that they will be npcs or anything. For instance, it would not surprise me at all if Grays for instance use the Occult rules.
Actually, they might be reprinting the Grim Reaper from Carrion Crown. It's not a psychopomp (in Pathfinder lore), but a powerful undead creature representing the end of life.
Grim Reaper was in Bestiary 4 actually...I wouldn't put too much faith in judging the book by a temporary cover.
Personally I think this should be renamed the future bestiary wish list or Bestiary 5+ Wish List.
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Actually, they might be reprinting the Grim Reaper from Carrion Crown. It's not a psychopomp (in Pathfinder lore), but a powerful undead creature representing the end of life.Grim Reaper was in Bestiary 4 actually...I wouldn't put too much faith in judging the book by a temporary cover.
Wow... you can tell which Bestiary I didn't read much. ^_^
I read it just as much as the rest, wich is often:)
hhmm...the store link says Grim Reaper will be in this one. Maybe I am just getting mixed up?
The B5 product description is up.
When I put The Grays on my wish list for 5, I thought it was a serious longshot! They look properly menacing! VERY HAPPY!
the Paizo sneak peak blog has art for the Grays, Annunaki (which look sort of look inspired from the movie Prometheus), Fastachee (from Seminole folklore), Hsingo (flying monkey from Chinese folklore), Dream Dragon and Wood Colossus.