I wonder if we will ever get 0HD races for magical beast, undead, aberrations, and oozes. Also some more plant and monstrous humanoid based ones would be nice.
not impossible but I think Paizo prefers humanoid races (for gear reasons), plus they have a policy of undead = almost always evil, which means a player friendly 0HD undead race will probably never happen.
Never say never, it's possible, just not likely. Besides animal and vermin are the only creature types that could never be a playable race.
I'd say undead is much more likely as a race than magical beast, since the ARG builder (even if it is horribly written) has rules for making aberration, construct, plant, and undead races but not magical beast or ooze ones.
I'd like to see less taken from Earth mythology and more "original" monsters that owe their origins to Golarion and the associated planets in their system. While it can be entertaining to see how close/far that a mythological critter is translated over, there are some weird-@$% things that end up getting into the books that, while from Earth cultures, are weird for weird's sake and don't work (for me) with the world around it.
Yes, I'm aware of the connection between the worlds. No, I don't care. More new, interesting fey and things I haven't seen before rather than a retread of a (for instance) Japanese monster that I may have seen in another gaming publication over the years.
Keep dreaming, the staff loves their mythology (Gladly)
And what creatures are you talking about? Buggane, Harionago, Baku, Jinmenju, Bakekujira, Abaia? Why are they weird?
And yes, Medusa's, harpies, Hydra,s and Minotaurs are overused, but I want creatures like Yara-Ma-Yha-who, Aatxe and Batibat gain some glory for once and Pathfinder being the first game to have them. (if they were in every single game I would understand your bores with them, but they are in none)
Mythology monsters can be weird, but not as weird as lovecraft creations, I don't see you mention them.
And there are more than enough own-paizo creations in those books, even some fae.
Oh, I am aware that they are fond of mythology, and I've enjoyed the takes on such in the X Revisited books for example. In small doses and when investigated and explored they can be interesting and novel. When just dumped in a book with a brief blurb and a picture they can be off-putting.
As for why X is weird, it could be a matter of taste. It could be cultural. It could be something as simple as they look silly to me, or my players.
I've spoken before that I'm not a great fan of the Lovecraftian things -- I know that there are large portions of the game that deal with them and several folks on staff that love the stuff. I tolerate it where possible and look for alternatives if not.
Similarly, I'm probably one of the few that aren't just gaga over kaiju. I personally think we have enough, don't need another GIANT THINGY! IT'S BIG!!!!
Our individual wants are very different. I'm not looking for a creature that will be used once, if that, or that my entire table looks at and just shakes their head, unable to take it seriously.
Mythological boogiemen on Earth work in their cultures because they've been ingrained in us, been explored and become part of the fabric of our lives. A big undead whale with nothing other than "sometimes a whale dies in pain and agony and becomes undead" isn't interesting enough, at least for me, to merit its own entry in the book. YMMV.
I'd prefer to see fewer creatures and more fluff. Explore the things you are showing us, give us reasons to include them in the ranks of the things that are overused -- gamers use Medusa and harpies and the like because they are iconic for many Western gamers, and indeed elsewhere from movies and books and more. No matter how scary some of these beings are supposed to be, the initial impact can be far less with GMs and players totally unfamiliar with them.
While I don't expect Paizo to give a master class in mythology and culture, a sentence or two with little else to go on tends to make myself, and perhaps others, go "weird thingy, next!"
I am just fine with getting reprints of the creatures, don't need reprints of the fluff plus there just isn't room. Plus the fact that the hardcover bestiaries are world neutral.
I Love the many beasts in one book, don't mind the little fluff, I know the real myth from google + I have my own fantasy.
I Love the many beasts in one book, don't mind the little fluff, I know the real myth from google + I have my own fantasy.
Again, different strokes for different folks. If I'm going to the trouble of digging up the original information, I could cobble together my own critters and not have to wait for a new book. :) Which I do for things I want, as an aside.
We just want different things from our bestiaries.
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A big undead whale with nothing other than "sometimes a whale dies in pain and agony and becomes undead" isn't interesting enough, at least for me, to merit its own entry in the book. YMMV.
Well, it's not like that's all of the Bakekujira's fluff, a lot of the fluff comes from the mechanics of monsters. It sings a beautiful yet terrifying whale song that can only be resisted by the strongest of wills. It is constantly is surrounded by the creatures that tried to feed on it's corpse, but the rage and negative energy emanating from it are so powerful it killed the parasites and warped them into undead themselves. It can fill it song with rage and pain to create a massive noise that rends through everything. But the best bit about them, is that when one rams into your ship, those that die from the attack quickly rise as undead themselves in the form of draugr, possessed by the pain of the leviathan. If there is a bakekujira in the seas, all ships that go near are sure to be destroyed, creating a surge of draugr that can walk across the depths of the ocean until they reach their home shores, a deadly warning for those who will attempt to go to sea.
A big undead whale with nothing other than "sometimes a whale dies in pain and agony and becomes undead" isn't interesting enough, at least for me, to merit its own entry in the book. YMMV.Well, it's not like that's all of the Bakekujira's fluff, a lot of the fluff comes from the mechanics of monsters. It sings a beautiful yet terrifying whale song that can only be resisted by the strongest of wills. It is constantly is surrounded by the creatures that tried to feed on it's corpse, but the rage and negative energy emanating from it are so powerful it killed the parasites and warped them into undead themselves. It can fill it song with rage and pain to create a massive noise that rends through everything. But the best bit about them, is that when one rams into your ship, those that die from the attack quickly rise as undead themselves in the form of draugr, possessed by the pain of the leviathan. If there is a bakekujira in the seas, all ships that go near are sure to be destroyed, creating a surge of draugr that can walk across the depths of the ocean until they reach their home shores, a deadly warning for those who will attempt to go to sea.
I love the Bakekujira even more now! Thanks.
I don't understand this hate for many Japanese monsters, sure the living shoes and umbrella are jokes, but creatures like Akaname, Bakekujira, Rokurokubi and even Jinmenju can be made very scary, evil and terrifying.
But I still want the living umbrellas and shoes along with everything else.
Kind of hoping we finally get some Catfish in this book. Way under-rated as dangerous animals. Would be great to get a Goonch or Candiru swarm in a bestiary.
Wonder how many monsters inspired by movies we will see? The Annunaki already give off a Prometheus vibe, although those guys are sort of inspired from the same source.
Kind of hoping we finally get some Catfish in this book. Way under-rated as dangerous animals. Would be great to get a Goonch or Candiru swarm in a bestiary.
Wonder how many monsters inspired by movies we will see? The Annunaki already give off a Prometheus vibe, although those guys are sort of inspired from the same source.
No love for Namazu?
I agree the Annunaki do give off a Prometheus vibe and I am also curious about what movie inspired monsters there will be.
We could use more types of sea creatures.
We might not be seeing Beholders, Displacer Beasts and Mind Flayers anytime soon, but the Ravid is still a possibility.I think WotC considers beholders and mind flayers their IP.
There's no "official" version of the Ethereal Filcher either.
Yep, the sad truth :( A few monsters are still under WotC's control... rightfully so whether you like it or not. I mean, it was THEIR decision to make their system available to everyone, but also THEIR decision to make some elements exclusive to them as well.
If you ask me, the omittion of the Displacer Beast is questionnable. Beholders and Mind Flayers have been used as manjor antagonists in the past D&D adventures, but a six-legged panther with tentacles???
Yeah... odd...
I would like to see the Tennin, a group of celestial beings from Japanese Buddhism or at least the Tennyo(Celestial Maidens). These beings usually have a magical item such as feathered kimono(hagoromo), jewelry, musical instrument(biwa or flute), and lotus blossoms. They can fly though some versions say that there clothing or some other item grants them this ability.
I wonder what type of Angels we'll be getting in the Bestiary 5? As cool as it would be if Paizo included them in a official bestiary, I don't think we'll see the Primal Angels I suggested (aka Ariel, Azrael, Cherub, Seraph, and Tharsis). I always think there aren't enough Celestials to go around (what with the dozens of fiends populating the Multiverse).
No love for Namazu?Kind of hoping we finally get some Catfish in this book. Way under-rated as dangerous animals. Would be great to get a Goonch or Candiru swarm in a bestiary.
Wonder how many monsters inspired by movies we will see? The Annunaki already give off a Prometheus vibe, although those guys are sort of inspired from the same source.
Well I was sticking with mundane animals in that post. A Namazu would be cool, but it would be a magical beast I assume.
the most dangerous animal of all, humans.
*que the DUN DUN DUUUUUN noise*
I'm sooooooo extremely happy humans, dwarves, elves and other such b.races stay OUT of the Bestiaries, I hope it stay that way forever, disliked them in D&D, they were the reason I never bought a Monster manual again.
And again, if there are angels, i'm really hoping on Anteros (chaotic neutral angel) and Cupid/Eros, not a beautiful-human+wings #100.
And no, cupid and anteros shouldn't be pretty, they are children.
I'm sooooooo extremely happy humans, dwarves, elves and other such b.races stay OUT of the Bestiaries, I hope it stay that way forever, disliked them in D&D, they were the reason I never bought a Monster manual again.
What on earth do you even play as then dude?
And again, if there are angels, i'm really hoping on Anteros (chaotic neutral angel) and Cupid/Eros, not a beautiful-human+wings #100.
Um, doesn't that go against established cannon though? Angels (along with almost everything else on the Celestial planes) are supposed to be some sort of aligned goodness physically incarnate. Granted there are Fallen Angels (just as their are Risen Fiends) but I think it's been established that Fallen Angels (like Risen Fiends) are extraordinarily rare. Even the Peri (aka a race of celestials trying to earn forgiveness for some sort of mass crime they committed) are neutral good I believe.
And no, Cupid and Anteros shouldn't be pretty, they are children.
How about an angel devoted to protecting the children of sentient races?
I think, though poorly phrased, Sincubus means that he doesn't want the basic races in the Bestiary, specifically, rather than the Core Rulebook. And, yes, Chaotic Neutral Celestials aren't going to be a thing.
What on earth do you even play as then dude?
Never as humans, dwarves, elves and half-things (halfling, tiefling, half-elf, half-ogre, half-whatever).
Kitsune and Throx are my favorite, Catfolk to.
I like the Anteros to be a gothic, black haired, black winged, pearl-white skinned cupid that shoot arrows that spread hate and anti-love into other beings.
I think they would be outsiders, but still would be corrupted Cupid/Eros/Erotes which would be ANGELS that spread love around.
Anteros sounds interesting as fallen servants to gods/goddesses of love.
The fey ancestors of gnomes would be interesting to see but that would be a little too world specific.
I'm sooooooo extremely happy humans, dwarves, elves and other such b.races stay OUT of the Bestiaries, I hope it stay that way forever, disliked them in D&D, they were the reason I never bought a Monster manual again.
And again, if there are angels, i'm really hoping on Anteros (chaotic neutral angel) and Cupid/Eros, not a beautiful-human+wings #100.
And no, cupid and anteros shouldn't be pretty, they are children.
Wasn't Eros originally depicted as a young man and not a child before his image and role in the pantheon was changed by the Romans and later Greeks?
His earlier profile was one of the original primordial gods- without him creation couldn't happen.
I think it would be cool to get a version of that. Maybe a CN being at the power level of an Empyreal Lord- who feels it's his task to incite lust to keep the multiverse in a state of creation.
Or use Eros as a race of outsiders with the same goal- Sort of like a counterpoint to the Psychopomps.
But yeah, I'd rather not have Eros as a kid with wings.
I do rather have him as a kid with wings (and cloths, not naked)
Because i'm really tired of all the beautiful young people with wings, we already have 10.000.
I'd rather see the comic, modern depiction of cupid and anteros, not the original.
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I would take 10 more beautiful people with wings over 50 more demons any day.
I'd rather see none of them expand in Bestiary 5, not a huge fan on non-mythology outsiders beside the D&D demons and devils. Not a fan of qlippots, inevitables, rakshasa breeds and oni-giants.
But the pathfinder Daemons, devils and demons from Bestiary 2 are still my favorite.
Incubus and the daemons from bestiary 3 were fun, but all other AP, Bestiary 3 and 4 demons/devils aren't something I'm a fan off.
I hope none of the Wrath of the Righteous demons make it into Bestiary 5.
Oni can be good if they put more focus on mythology with them.
Also, there is at least one angel that isn't a beautiful person with wings. Isn't even a person.
I know Milo!
I love the tengu, nogitsune (kitsune) and other such non-giant oni's. I just dislike that all those D&D giants get another variant in an Oni... Rather see the more specialized oni, such as the sea slug Sazae-Oni, the kappa-oni named Suiko and the mountain Oni centipede, Oomukade.
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not a huge fan on non-mythology outsiders beside the D&D demons and devils.
But you don't seem to be a big fan of actual mythological outsiders either. With the whole Eros thing, you don't want the mythology, you want a modern, goth, comic book take on it. Nothing wrong with that. It's just so particular, it's not honestly likely.
And all the beautiful people with wings, is because you're talking about Angels. This thing you're on about, does not at all seem like an Angel. Not to say it's not cool, just probably could use a different "type".Edit: Read your post again, and it sounds like you're looking more for a variation on the Eros/Cupid myth. Arrows of Hate would indeed be cool. Still don't think Eros should be and Angel though.
Eros/Cupid wouldn't be an angel maybe a unique type of outsider or part of a new group of outsiders.
I wish for a Gruffalo :-)
Eros/Cupid wouldn't be an angel maybe a unique type of outsider or part of a new group of outsiders.Eros should be a god.
Agreed. But, I get the impression as far as PF goes, the Inner Sea gods, are the only ones. So far other mythological beings end up as something else.
Agreed. But, I get the impression as far as PF goes, the Inner Sea gods, are the only ones. So far other mythological beings end up as something else.Eros/Cupid wouldn't be an angel maybe a unique type of outsider or part of a new group of outsiders.Eros should be a god.
Not necessarily. The whole Egyptian pantheon is there. There's no reason why other pantheons of gods can't exist as gods in PF.
not a huge fan on non-mythology outsiders beside the D&D demons and devils.But you don't seem to be a big fan of actual mythological outsiders either. With the whole Eros thing, you don't want the mythology, you want a modern, goth, comic book take on it. Nothing wrong with that. It's just so particular, it's not honestly likely.
And all the beautiful people with wings, is because you're talking about Angels. This thing you're on about, does not at all seem like an Angel. Not to say it's not cool, just probably could use a different "type".Edit: Read your post again, and it sounds like you're looking more for a variation on the Eros/Cupid myth. Arrows of Hate would indeed be cool. Still don't think Eros should be and Angel though.
I forgive you because you are pretty new, but if you knew me, you knew that I don't care for christian myths (angels, behemoth, leviathan, whatever) and I dont really care for most GENTLE,GOOD ALIGNMENT mythology monsters such as the Shedu, Lammasu, Angels whatever, they bore me mostly.
I love mythology, neutral creatures and evil creatuers, but mostly I like some changes in the creatures, not 100% taken from myth, while keeping the name and most important parts, some monsters however are already perfect, they don't need change, such as Batibat or Tikbalang, but Tsemaus and Karkadann could use some changes, to give some example.
Eros/Cupid wouldn't be an angel maybe a unique type of outsider or part of a new group of outsiders.Eros should be a god.
You people forgot about Erotes, those are like little cupid race, they should be angels of love.
I forgive you because you are pretty new, but if you knew me, you knew that I don't care for christian myths (angels, behemoth, leviathan, whatever)
Do jewish myths count as part of that...
I think a seraphim would be a nice angel. Human headed angels with serpentine features, who covered their body in wings, with the ability to make fire attacks by causing creatures to look at their body under their wings.
I like the Dybbuk and Faduah, so no, Jewish myths (I never believe in religion, so they are always myths to me) are fine I guess, at least two of them are.
I like the name Seraphim, I always use them as 6 winged angels.
I don't know which group the Succubi and Incubi belong too, but I like those too. I think they are Medieval Europe monsters, but i'm not sure, could be Jewish or something, as Lilith is.