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You should verify what they said...
If what they said was the Alchemist's class bonus for the use of Craft (alchemy) to create alchemical items was not allowed then they are correct. only permanent universal bonuses are allowed... aka without conditions of use...
example... a compass is a bonus on survival to not get lost... does not apply to day jobs.
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You should verify what they said...
If what they said was the Alchemist's class bonus for the use of Craft (alchemy) to create alchemical items was not allowed then they are correct. only permanent universal bonuses are allowed... aka without conditions of use...
example... a compass is a bonus on survival to not get lost... does not apply to day jobs.
Could you point me to where it says you don't get the bonus? I haven't seen that anywhere and have used it in the past. If you are allowed to use Crafter's Fortune for a DayJob, I don't see why the Alchemist's bonus wouldn't apply.
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You should verify what they said...
If what they said was the Alchemist's class bonus for the use of Craft (alchemy) to create alchemical items was not allowed then they are correct. only permanent universal bonuses are allowed... aka without conditions of use...
example... a compass is a bonus on survival to not get lost... does not apply to day jobs.
The Alchemist's class bonus is to create alchemical items.
Utilizing Craft (Alchemy) as a Day Job is making money from creating alchemical items.
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When using Craft (alchemy) to create an alchemical item, an alchemist gains a competence bonus equal to his class level on the Craft (alchemy) check.
Not sure if there has been a ruling on this before but if Crafter's Fortune works I would have to lean toward this probably working too. I'm sure there's much more lucrative builds for day jobs than alchemy anyway.
Just look at street performer bards. They get double gold from their day job rolls.
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Here is what PFSGOP says
Permanent bonuses from equipment, feats, racial bonuses, and traits effect your Day Job check as they would any check for the rolled skill, but temporary bonuses such as those granted by spell effects do not contribute, as the duration over which the Day Job check is made is undefined and represents a longer amount of time than a spell’s duration would permit the bonus to remain. You may take 10 on a Day Job check, but you may not take 20 nor can you aid another.
Here is the link where Mike says you can use Crafter's Fortune
The Alchemist's bonus is a permanent bonus in my mind.
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Here is the link where Mike says you can use Crafter's Fortune
The Alchemist's bonus is a permanent bonus in my mind.
I don't see how it could be classified as anything else.
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The problem is that the bonus from the Alchemy class feature specifies that it applies to crafting alchemical items; other uses of the skill do NOT gain the bonus, such as identifying potions (something the very same class features allows), or when using the oft-forgotten Craft-as-a-Profession check (which is to say, you can make a Craft roll to earn money for a week's worth of work, with no specific crafting being involved, just as you can with the Profession skill).
Spoiler:In order for a bonus to apply to Day Job rolls, it must:
1. Be permanent, with allowances for effects that last 24+ hours, such as Crafter's Fortune.
2. Not be a situational bonus.Unfortunately, strictly rules-as-written, the bonus from the Alchemy class feature would NOT apply to Day Job rolls, because it fails that second part. In other words, you can't use the Alchemy bonus for the same reason you can't use the bonus to Survival from your Wayfinder on a Hunting Lodge Day Job.
As to Crafter's Fortune, it does not specify what the Craft check need be made for, so it can apply to any use of the Craft skill, so the fact that Crafter's Fortune is explicitly allowed on Day Job checks is completely irrelevant here.
EDIT: I say this as the player of a level 4 Alchemist/level 1 gunslinger, who would have his Day Job shoot up to a 40 on a take ten, where he allowed to add that bonus.
I think I understand where you are coming from, but the Guide passage says-Permanent bonuses from equipment, feats, racial bonuses, and traits effect your Day Job check as they would any check for the rolled skill.
Does Masterwork Tools work for Craft DayJob Roll? If not, then what is a permanent bonus from equipment? Could that not be ruled situational, as in if you don't have it of take off the equipment you suddenly don't have the bonus. I think the wayfinder example is a different case, I don't think you can use a wayfinder as a bonus, because it only gives you a bonus to direction finding, only one aspect of the Survival skill.
Does your Alchemist get a bonus from an Alchemist's Lab or portable Lab?
If the answer is yes, I don't see why the plus half class level is not able to be used.
Also the bonus is for the action of crafting alchemical item, any other other class that has ranks in that skill can only craft items, it is a bonus feature of Alchemist class that they can use the skill to identify potions.
Edit: How do your bonuses to Craft Alchemy break down?
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Let me post the question succinctly for FAQ purposes:
Does the alchemist's competence bonus to Craft (alchemy) checks for creating alchemical items apply to Day Job rolls?
I personally think yes. FAQ away!
Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville
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Whether or not your supposed to use the Alchemist's bonus in addition to the permanent bonuses, most players typically use it to roll their day job rolls. It is a particular nuance that questions it's legimate use and one that does not come up in regular play. (Though reading this, it should have in an instance recently)
I, myself, have been told about the "bonus" that helps get the Craft (alchemy) bumped for more gold for the Alchemist.
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Here's a question for you guys that don't think it would apply.
How is the Alchemist making money if he's not making items to sell? That's how I assume they're making their money with their check.
I'm not saying I agree with it; I'm saying the RAW doesn't support it.
In the base Pathfinder rules, without any PFS crap, you can already make a Craft check in order to earn money for a week's worth of work, without having to track the creation of individual items. The bonus from the Alchemy class feature does NOT apply to this use of Craft (alchemy), because it's NOT a check to "create alchemical items"; it's a check to "earn a living" as an alchemist. If you can't use the bonus for that, why do you think you COULD use it for a PFS Day Job check?
Because you are earning a living as an alchemist....by creating alchemical items.
Isn't that what all of the day jobs checks are doing?
Craft (armor): You're earning a living as an armorer...by crafting pieces of armor.If you 're making your Day job check with Craft (Alchemy), what are you making if you aren't creating alchemical items? It doesn't make sense to me personally.
In short, not really.
Craft (Alchemy) - Maybe you got hired to identify existing potions.
Craft (Armor) - you may have gotten hired to repair existing armor, so any bonuses to making armor wouldn't apply.
If a bonus only applies to one part of a skill's usage, then it cannot be used for day jobs, because there is no guarantee that the day job roll is actually going to be for the portion of the skill that is bonused.
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@Brandon Huber: It isn't that you are spending your day job doing such-and0-so, it is that you don't know how much of the day job applies to X function of Y skill, and how much is the exercise of Z function.
If your skill bonus only applies to either X or Z function, then it won't apply to the day job roll. If it applies to all functions of the skill, and falls under the definition of permanent, then it would also apply to the day job roll.
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I think it makes sense to apply the bonus, especially considering you're crafting alchemical items. Sure you could be identifying potions, but that's because of your class ability, not the skill. If a Monk had Craft-Alchemy, this stupid semantic question would be irrelevant (because he would only be able to use the skill for one purpose). If some of you are wondering if you're a rules lawyer or not, you don't have to wonder anymore.
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I find I must resurrect this thread as I am both playing (my own) and GMing (another's) an alchemist. No, not at the same time. I have a bias to rule in favor of allowing it, having had it allowed by other GMs , one of whom also once played an alchemist (not the same as the alchemist I have GMed - this was not a scratch each-other's backs deal) from whom I got the impression also benefited from one of his past GMs allowing the class bonus. So I in turn allowed it to the other alchemist I GMed. It seemed intuitive fluff-wise to include it. I expect an alchemist with 5 ranks in craft (alchemy) to out-perform/out-sell a commoner with 5 ranks in craft (alchemy). The alchemist can demonstrate so much more. The commoner will never have a reputation of razzle-dazzling his customers with the effects of a mutagen (nevermind that one can't sell mutagens, except maybe temporarily to other alchemists. Other kettle of moose.)
Along comes PFS Guide version 5.0:
Permanent bonuses from equipment, feats, racial bonuses, and traits affect your Day Job check...
I used to focus on the word “Permanent” but not the list. However, the list does not include “class features”. Only, “equipment, feats, racial bonuses, and traits”. So maybe the whole debate is moot since class features are not to be considered in the first place? If there has been an official ruling on this, can anyone please direct to it? (I don't know if RainyDayNinja's request for a FAQ answer upthread ever got ratified.) Thanks.
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If you 're making your Day job check with Craft (Alchemy), what are you making if you aren't creating alchemical items? It doesn't make sense to me personally.
Maybe your skills are to detect poisons for the local sheriff's department. Or maybe your alchemical skills are being used to neutralize dangerous components in a water supply. Alchemy is not just the creation of potions or alchemical items. Maybe you moonlight for the bombsquad, diffusing explosive compounds.
Yes, most people will be making potions or other alchemical items but not all.
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If Street Performing bards can use their class ability to double the gold of the Day Job (FAQ allows it) then Alchemists should be able to use the class bonus on Craft(Alchemy).
Also no where in the Guide does it say situational bonuses don't apply, only that permanent bonuses apply. A class bonus is a permanent bonus so I would say it applies.
