You might also try casting some of those Druid spells you have. Instead of charging, stand and cast a spell. Then do your fluffy of blows when they move in. The Druid spell list has some good buffs. Also, Summon Nature's Ally for a flanking attack.
Right now this is how everysingle encounter i do begins.
run up to enemy
use a standard attack, as my table has decided that it doesnt make sense to run up to a enemy then assume defensive fighting and wait to be attacked, especially if i charge in (fair enough i guess), so im left with this crappy 3/4 BAB standard attack.
I alleviated the pain a little by using Trip or Disarm at higher levels. They can't full attack you when sitting on their backside, after all. Or you could use those shuriken you are proficient with to annoy them into attacking you, so they get just one attack and then you do the flurry.
But basically, yes, you have discovered a problem with the system and with the monk in particular.
Yeah, if you're too close to an enemy while casting, you provoke an AoO. I'm saying, stand and cast your spell on round one. On round two, do your charge.
A few options:
Monks can flurry with shurikens.
Stunning fist on your first attack to hopefully stun your enemy out of his next action. Then go to town while he's stunned.
Delay your action until your opponents come within range and then full attack.
When possible, lure foes into ambushes. Charge in the surprise round, and then full attack on the first actual round of combat.
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Right now this is how everysingle encounter i do begins.
run up to enemy
use a standard attack, as my table has decided that it doesnt make sense to run up to a enemy then assume defensive fighting and wait to be attacked, especially if i charge in (fair enough i guess), so im left with this crappy 3/4 BAB standard attack.
I alleviated the pain a little by using Trip or Disarm at higher levels. They can't full attack you when sitting on their backside, after all. Or you could use those shuriken you are proficient with to annoy them into attacking you, so they get just one attack and then you do the flurry.
But basically, yes, you have discovered a problem with the system and with the monk in particular.
I know you and I have gone round and round about this, but seriously...
Other than the pouncing barbarian, or a shapeshifted druid...name one other class that gets full attacks after a charge? or after moving more than 5' in combat.
So its NOT just a problem with the Monk. Its a problem with any character at any point once they get more than 1 attack.
again flurry even with shurikens is a full round action, so i dont see how using shurikens as easier to do.
It's a ranged attack. You don't need to move as far.
if i move more then 5 feet i cant do it tho, my goal is to be able to charge in then flurry.
There is exactly one way to do that, and it has been listed.
Ways to gain Pounce:
Wild Shape into an animal with it.
Barbarian Beast Totem line of Rage Powers.
Semi-Pounce from Tiger Style's third Feat.
And that's pretty much it.
Other people are trying to give you new options, because Pouncing every round still won't be an answer to everything.
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properly built, a monk with panther style high enough, mobility and a solid dex/wis for extra AC can essentially run around the battlefield and purposely provoke AoO to get in his ripostes, then standard attack at the end to get multiple attacks in one round, just probably NOT on the same guy.
I have a monk who does exactly that...he purposely provokes by moving through enemy squares and then ripostes with Panther Style. End his turn by tripping/grappling the target, and doing it all again next turn.
Hella fun.
But Monks are broken, just read one of the 476 threads on it here. Heck, dabbler will tell you.
but ya the shuriken idea is at least more plausbile i guess, tho at that point id wonder if its better to just close the gap and do a standard attack.
Without Shuriken:
Round 1: You charge and attack once at 3/4 BAB, they may get AoO.Round 1a: They full-attack you, with you at -2 AC.
Round 2: You flurry and get in all your attacks.
With Shuriken:
Round 1: You flurry with shuriken, irritating them.
Round 1a: They charge you, delivering one attack to your full AC.
Round 2: You full attack them at -2 to THEIR AC.
You do about the same to them, but they do less to you.
Bomanz is correct in that with some style feats you can pull off some great stunts under some circumstances. Panther Style is great vs. lots of mooks, for example. Against a single foe with a single AoO, it's not so effective.
With Monk there is the Dimensional Agility / Dimensional Assault / Dimensional Dervish feat line.
Also, I don't think Druid Wild Shape gives you access to Magical Beasts.
Most characters cannot full attack after a move.
Why charge if you don't like the -2 AC. Monks should be fast enough to simply move in. What I would do is a trip if forced to move. That means he will either provoke from standing up, or take a -4 to attack and AC to remain prone.
Combine with Crane Style's defensive fighting.
Don't bother, your speed will get good enough as it is. Just get them to come to you is my advice. That, or use your stealth to get close enough to unload some hurt on them rogue-style.
With Monk there is the Dimensional Agility / Dimensional Assault / Dimensional Dervish feat line.
This right here is one of the easier options. It takes a long time to come into play, but would allow you to full attack more often.
One possibility would be to talk to your group about instituting a strategy of letting the monsters come to you. Kind of annoying, as they will get the first attack off, but it would allow you to then full attack them since they are already next to you. Of course, if the barbarian runs out there, nothing you can really do but follow him...
And of course this doesn't work against enemies w/ ranged attacks...but you can catch those arrows, right? :P
With Monk there is the Dimensional Agility / Dimensional Assault / Dimensional Dervish feat line.This right here is one of the easier options. It takes a long time to come into play, but would allow you to full attack more often.
The problem with this is that you get Abundant Step at 12th level. So it's Dimensional Agility at 13th level, Dimensional Assault at 15th, and by 17th you have Dimensional Dervish. Usually the game is over long before that point is reached. You are basically paying a feat tax in order to use a class feature for it's intended purpose.
The problem with this is that you get Abundant Step at 12th level. So it's Dimensional Agility at 13th level, Dimensional Assault at 15th, and by 17th you have Dimensional Dervish. Usually the game is over long before that point is reached. You are basically paying a feat tax in order to use a class feature for it's intended purpose.With Monk there is the Dimensional Agility / Dimensional Assault / Dimensional Dervish feat line.This right here is one of the easier options. It takes a long time to come into play, but would allow you to full attack more often.
It is a problem, and one that takes far too long to show itself and costs far too much for most builds. That being said, it does allow a full attack when you would otherwise be forced to charge. Assuming you don't just throw some shuriken or hold action and hope a monster moves up to you.
Your group is wrong. you tell them that what you are doing is running up, and clobbering the enemy through the openings in their defense that are presented when they attack.