Crit Based Drow Paladin Advice


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I am currently joinging a game where I am playing a Drow Paladin. I am a noble which means I get a wicked bump to my DEX. I want to take advantage of that.

What is the best way for me to be a powerful critical based fighter with not having heavy armor?

I have some ideas such as: Elven Chainmail with enhancments, Mithral Breastplate, Dragonscale Shirt

But as I usually play a magic user-- I truly have no idea what would work best. (She has a 21 DEX)


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Finesse and either Dervish Dance feat (be prepared to be made fun of and compared to the Drow that shall not be named) or the agile enhancement.

Either way, you will want a light or finesse weapon with a wide crit range(agile) or a scimitar (dervish dance). Be warned, agile will cost a good chunk of money.

In any case, Critical Focus, the Improved Critical/Keen enhancement, and your crit feat of choice will be required. I would suggest either Staggering Critical or bleeding Critical.

Armor wise, I would shoot for mithril kikko armor. It can be found under eastern Armor in Ultimate Combat. It is: 5 AC, Max DEX 6, some kind of largely irrelevant skill check penalty. Any case, better than Chainshirt, and good for your build, since once you hit 22 DEX, you'll need a max DEX armor of 6. a Breastplate would limit you.

AN option (not super recommended though) is Two Weapon Fighting... it can increase chances of a crit, deal more damage during a smite, and you are already DEX focused anyway. Something to consider.


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If going with Agile weapons, you could use either Elven Curve Blade or a pair of Kukri to get a 18-20 crit range, which can be expanded to 15-20. Use Piranha Attack instead of Power Attack. Two Weapon Fighting is very feat-intensive, so the 2H weapon might be the better option.

Celestial Chainmail would be good armor when you can afford it. Not being a Fighter with armor training, you will quickly bump into the max dex limit for armor.


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Could always ask ur gm about using the elven curveblade.. Its not to far a stretch to get free ewp with a good backstory.. Its finesseable and has a high crit range(18-20), so with keen u have a 15-20 weapon.. Get the agile enchantment first though to reap the extra damage.. Armor wise mithril breatplate is +6ac/+5max dex, so would be the best for ur current stats.. depending on how high ur dex gets celestial plate will prob be ur best armor overall with +9ac/+6max dex and its base +3enhancement..


This is great advice! Thank you!

I am only level 5 so I doubt I will be able to get some magical items. If I do, then it will only be one or two things. What would you suggest for them to be for both of the options of 1h and 2h and dual options?


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Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.

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Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.

Sure there are good drow. The OP is playing one!

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Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.

Yes, because you are the arbiter of law for all Drow, everywhere, forever.

Oh wait, you're not! If the OP's DM let them play it, then that's their prerogative.


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But as for ur question any weapon thats finessable or if u go devish dance route add the scimitar as well.. So any light weapon plus rapier, aldori dueling sword, elven curve blade and maybe 1 or 2 im forgetting..

By standard wealth ud have 10.5k in gear at 5th, so +1 weapon, +1 mithril breastplate, and +1 cloak of resistance combined is ard 8200 depending on what weapon u select.. Leaves enough to save for a stat booster or to buy a ring on prot +1 or a handy haversack or potions lol..


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Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.

Drizzt Do'Urden nonwithstanding.


Nation Prophetic wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.
Drizzt Do'Urden nonwithstanding.

And of course everyone forgets about his father.

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Dark servitude wrote:
Nation Prophetic wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.
Drizzt Do'Urden nonwithstanding.
And of course everyone forgets about his father.

And Eilistraee and James Jacobs' Shensen.


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what if the drow goddess wants the "Good drow" for chaos huh? sounds like she would like that kind of thing.

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Queso.

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Shalafi2412 wrote:
Stop playing the game in ways I don't like.

Whatever, buddy.


Seranov wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Stop playing the game in ways I don't like.
Whatever, buddy.

Seranov, if you are going to quote me, then at least quote me accurately, Secondly, we are not buddies.


Shalafi2412 wrote:
Seranov wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Stop playing the game in ways I don't like.
Whatever, buddy.
Seranov, if you are going to quote me, then at least quote me accurately, Secondly, we are not buddies.

How about instead of making my advice thread into a cat fight, we try to help me out please.

I talked to my DM and he and I went over other classes... What do you all think: Paladin vs Cavalier


Paladin is more powerful, but Cavalier allows other alignments besides Lawful Good... I think Cavalier is good for new players who don't know the difference between lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.

In the long run, I'd rather play a Paladin though. It takes some effort to play one well though, and I usually need a couple days to think of good backstory, traits, and motivation that don't include bossing everyone around, praying all the time, and in general being an ass. I have only played a couple as a result...

Paladin Examples:

first one was 3.5 days, a Paladin of Lathander, the Morning Lord. He was a live and let live kind of guy. However, in his past he had been coward on the battlefield, so he had something to prove to himself and others, even though his god had blessed him with fearlessness. He was a nice guy, didnt get all preachy (having come from being a coward and a drunk) but rather tried to live by example. A superior Cleric tells him he must help a group of adventurers that passes through. He had a level of fighter to represent his days as a coward before paladinhood, and because 3.5 paladins kind of sucked.

My most recent paladin was nominally a paladin of Erastil. He had a simple breastplate, simple green and brown cloths, and shot stuff with a longbow. Many years ago, his young wife had died while he was away, and it pained him to remain long in his small town/hamlet. So, he began to protect a wider range of area than just his community. When crazed Druid wanders into the area speaking of the world ending in a far off land, our paladin protects his home and patrol area by confronting the evil before it arrives. In his early 30's, he is a bit war weary after killing monsters and brigands for over a decade. He is quiet and contemplative, his dead wife still troubles him. When drawn into social situations, he can be humorous and witty, the way he was before his wife died. He isnt preachy, he lives simply, merely trying to protect the people of the land. He realizes not everyone can be like him, he is just a piece of the ecosystem.


Dark servitude wrote:
Nation Prophetic wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.
Drizzt Do'Urden nonwithstanding.
And of course everyone forgets about his father.

IIRC Zak was neutral not good but I may be wrong


Lady Galahad wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Seranov wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Stop playing the game in ways I don't like.
Whatever, buddy.
Seranov, if you are going to quote me, then at least quote me accurately, Secondly, we are not buddies.

How about instead of making my advice thread into a cat fight, we try to help me out please.

I talked to my DM and he and I went over other classes... What do you all think: Paladin vs Cavalier

A cavalier might be more appropriate. Maybe the order could be the house you are a member of.


If evil outsiders can turn good, so can Drow unless you're playing in one of those settings where if a Drow turns good they turn white...Which I've never liked, imho.

If you want to go damage dealing Paladin, I suggest going with a two hander and take the Oath of Vengeance Archetype OR taking the Redeemer Archetype(with DM fiat to be Drow capable instead of just Orc) and play up the do redeemed Drow card. I honestly would NOT do a Finesse build as they don't mesh very well with Paladin, but use Combat Reflexes to make the most of your dexterity boost. If you do wanna do the Finesse build, I suggest grabbing a monk weapon and going down the Champion of Irori line. You'll get a huge boost to AC and saving throws and get Flurry of Blows. You'll also avoid the Drizzt CG scimitar look and have an excuse to be naked 24/7.

Also..please don't use the Drow Noble race. They're just silly.


Urist, I have never heard of good drow becoming white,that is funny.


Shalafi2412 wrote:
Urist, I have never heard of good drow becoming white,that is funny.

Golarion canon says that an evil elf would become a Drow, and thus a good Drow would become an elf.

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Urist The Unstoppable wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Urist, I have never heard of good drow becoming white,that is funny.
Golarion canon says that an evil elf would become a Drow, and thus a good Drow would become an elf.

...really?

I don't know if I have the words to properly express how much I dislike this concept.

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Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.

As long as this is a home game, it isn't our buisness how much cheese is involved.

But for the record, this would facepalm most GMs I know.

But god bless and have fun!


Seranov wrote:
Urist The Unstoppable wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Urist, I have never heard of good drow becoming white,that is funny.
Golarion canon says that an evil elf would become a Drow, and thus a good Drow would become an elf.

...really?

I don't know if I have the words to properly express how much I dislike this concept.

I believe most of that information is from Second Darkness.

EDIT:I should specify that it says something like "Especially Evil Elves have been said to." not "Would"

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Ah, significantly less yucky, then.

I do, however, sorta dig the Drow Redeemer idea. I had a Half-orc Redeemer of Sarenrae with the Blade of Mercy trait, myself, who I really wanted to play. The downside of the Redeemer is that it does NOT play nice in a party of murderhobos. :(


I find that a good thing, a challenge no less.


ciretose wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Since there are no good drow, especially drow nobles, this smells of queso.

As long as this is a home game, it isn't our buisness how much cheese is involved.

But for the record, this would facepalm most GMs I know.

But god bless and have fun!

Unsolitited cheese is different from that which is asked for.

FACE PALM as a DM.


Take advantage of your natural high dex to pump your str and TWF with kukris. Two keen weapons cost less than one with agile, and your static damage (with smite) and crit chances go up with two weapons as opposed to one. If you can pick up 1 lvl of divine scion then you get access to weap spec, and greater spec and focus.

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Urist The Unstoppable wrote:
Shalafi2412 wrote:
Urist, I have never heard of good drow becoming white,that is funny.
Golarion canon says that an evil elf would become a Drow, and thus a good Drow would become an elf.

Actually good drow remain drow. The transformation is one way, and depends on many other thing besides simply an elf being evil. There are a lot of evil elves in the setting that aren't drow, after all.

So it works like: A really evil elf that worships a demon lord could possibly become a drow. A drow that goes good remains a drow.

I'm really glad Paizo has confirmed this, because "turn black because you're evil" and "turn white because you're good" would be one of the most wallbangingest things ever.


That's a beautiful character concept. It did it during my group's Curse of the Crimson Throne adventure, though I went drow noble paladin/fighter and became a two-weapon fighting god. LOL

And the base of any crit-based combatant? Elven curve blade if you don't want a shield, scimitar if you do. :)

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