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Sovereign Court

Oh god this is so good.


I want a playable Beta/Demo now...

As for FPP vs TPP, 1) each have their own wants and needs and 2) there are ways around the TPP camera issues, but they might not be easy to do and/or are copyrighted.


Ugh. First person. Makes me nauseous.

As much as I didnt care for Shadowrun returns, at least it wasnt 1st person.

Why can I drive in 3rd person and yet not have a camera over my shoulder when I get out of the car? ugh...

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Freehold DM wrote:

Ugh. First person. Makes me nauseous.

As much as I didnt care for Shadowrun returns, at least it wasnt 1st person.

Why can I drive in 3rd person and yet not have a camera over my shoulder when I get out of the car? ugh...

Watching the demo should answer that for you


Freehold DM wrote:

Ugh. First person. Makes me nauseous.

As much as I didnt care for Shadowrun returns, at least it wasnt 1st person.

Why can I drive in 3rd person and yet not have a camera over my shoulder when I get out of the car? ugh...

They say they are looking for some fixes for those having troubles with FPP due to health issues.


Souls At War wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Ugh. First person. Makes me nauseous.

As much as I didnt care for Shadowrun returns, at least it wasnt 1st person.

Why can I drive in 3rd person and yet not have a camera over my shoulder when I get out of the car? ugh...

They say they are looking for some fixes for those having troubles with FPP due to health issues.

Third personn here we come!


Freehold DM wrote:
Souls At War wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Ugh. First person. Makes me nauseous.

As much as I didnt care for Shadowrun returns, at least it wasnt 1st person.

Why can I drive in 3rd person and yet not have a camera over my shoulder when I get out of the car? ugh...

They say they are looking for some fixes for those having troubles with FPP due to health issues.
Third personn here we come!

Not that fix, otherwise there wouldn't be any need to fix issues with First Person.

Sovereign Court

They will not be doing third person.


Heres hoping you are wrong.


The HUD-focused augments and similar things make the first-person approach the best match (which is fine with me).


CDProject seems to be drawing flack for using the Cyberpsychosis lore from the PnP game.

"Cyberware will eat your soul"

"So altering your body makes you less human?"

It gets uglier from there.

Sovereign Court

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Eh, SJWs will find every possible way to get offended for someone else.


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This does hit close to members of the LGBT community


Hama wrote:
Eh, SJWs will find every possible way to get offended for someone else.

Like that?

Also, "too vulgar".

Silver Crusade

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Phillip Gastone wrote:
This does hit close to members of the LGBT community

Yeah the transphobic joke on their twitter media account and half-baked apology killed what little interest I had in the game (the early review where they spent way too much time and detail describing a dead/dying woman's naked body was the start).


Rysky wrote:
Phillip Gastone wrote:
This does hit close to members of the LGBT community
Yeah the transphobic joke on their twitter media account and half-baked apology killed what little interest I had in the game (the early review where they spent way too much time and detail describing a dead/dying woman's naked body was the start).

I feel like I missed something.


Phillip Gastone wrote:

CDProject seems to be drawing flack for using the Cyberpsychosis lore from the PnP game.

"Cyberware will eat your soul"

"So altering your body makes you less human?"

It gets uglier from there.

this came up in shadowrun too. They focused more on cyberware and less on vat grown stuff/body modification as bad. I know they have a fairly large LGBT community in the game too, maybe that's why things did not devolve.

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Rysky wrote:
Phillip Gastone wrote:
This does hit close to members of the LGBT community
Yeah the transphobic joke on their twitter media account and half-baked apology killed what little interest I had in the game (the early review where they spent way too much time and detail describing a dead/dying woman's naked body was the start).

They are Polish, outrage culture does not exist there. People don't get offended over jokes. The worst thing they could have done was to apologize. They should have doubled down.

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... wow.


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Hama wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Phillip Gastone wrote:
This does hit close to members of the LGBT community
Yeah the transphobic joke on their twitter media account and half-baked apology killed what little interest I had in the game (the early review where they spent way too much time and detail describing a dead/dying woman's naked body was the start).
They are Polish, outrage culture does not exist there. People don't get offended over jokes. The worst thing they could have done was to apologize. They should have doubled down.

If you're going to make a joke about a sensitive subject, the important things to remember are 1) to punch up, not down and b) to actually make a funny joke. Being sh!tty to a frequently denigrated and attacked minority, then blowing it off as "a joke" with a non-apology, is just proudly letting your !sshole flag fly.


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Hama wrote:
Eh, SJWs will find every possible way to get offended for someone else.

You poor snowflake. Bless your heart.


Well perhaps there are some things that can be done

1.Make a push for more control/options for character creation, face and body shapes, skin color(Bright green! This stuff is available in Cyberpunk), Hair. Saint's Row had ridiculous options(Although it was limited as well)

2.Voice sets allowing the player to pick which voice they want(Nolan North)

3.The big one would be how NPCs address your PC. Having two+ sets for everyone would no doubt drive up game size a lot, so have minor NPCs use Cyberpunk slang like 'Chombatta'

I have no computer know-how so I don't know how viable this would be.

Sovereign Court

I believe one of the programmers said that you will be able to make a completely androgynous character, aside from replacing entire pars of one's body with cybernetics. Like that lady that took the lower half of her face off.


Phillip Gastone wrote:

Well perhaps there are some things that can be done

1.Make a push for more control/options for character creation, face and body shapes, skin color(Bright green! This stuff is available in Cyberpunk), Hair. Saint's Row had ridiculous options(Although it was limited as well)

2.Voice sets allowing the player to pick which voice they want(Nolan North)

3.The big one would be how NPCs address your PC. Having two+ sets for everyone would no doubt drive up game size a lot, so have minor NPCs use Cyberpunk slang like 'Chombatta'

I have no computer know-how so I don't know how viable this would be.

chombatta is from cyberpunk?!

MY REALITY IS BROKEN! I thought shadowrun had the drop on neo-afrique.

Sovereign Court

Cyberpunk. Yeah. Chummer is from Shadowrun.


Hama wrote:
Cyberpunk. Yeah. Chummer is from Shadowrun.

what about choomba?

Sovereign Court

That's also from Cyberpunk, basically a shortening of chombatta.


Hama wrote:
That's also from Cyberpunk, basically a shortening of chombatta.

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE

Liberty's Edge

Nothing to see here.

Nothing at all. ;)

Looks like its finally coming out.

Sovereign Court

Ah I love how people actually believe this was an unintentional leak

Liberty's Edge

New cinematic trailer.

Keanu Reeves reveals release date.

April 16, 2020.

Odd date, it's a Thursday. Most games come out on Tuesday or Friday.

Liberty's Edge

Collector's Edition unboxing.

Its nice but I'll pass on it.


Keanu Reeves playing Johnny Silverhand seems to have excited people more than I thought was humanly possible, along with the release date.

Interesting to see other dates dropping, with other games giving that date a wide, wide berth.

Liberty's Edge

I just realized that 4 + 16 = 20 so you get 2020. Nice.


No link due to NSFW pic but seems CDR may have very well stepped in it again with a certain in game picture.

Silver Crusade

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Yeah, with their history of transphobic "jokes" on both their own twitter and the GOG twitter, coupled with this, I'm definitely not getting the game, as much as I'd like a good Cyberpunk game.


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*sigh*

Why are they being stupid.


That Pic:
Actually, I disagree with the controversy over that in-game picture, and I want to take a moment to explain why. ...Assuming we're taking about the same image of a transgendered model being used in an in-game advertisement. o wo; Uh, if it's a different picture, you can ignore the rest of this.

Cyberpunk, as a genre, essentially addresses the idea of a bad, dystopian future, normally controlled by corporations with incredible amounts of power. Technology tends to be cheap, mass market goods are common, but people can rarely get out and to a better place. It's the kind of setting where anything that can be commercialized and exploited will be - not a good result.

With that particular picture, what it's saying in-universe is that such a figure is attractive and good, and therefore something a company would want to exploit for advertising. If anything, I think that poster is positive towards trans figures, even if we dislike the idea of a futuristic corporation exploiting that positivity for their personal gain. Or rather, I don't think we're supposed to agree with what the corporation is doing, but it makes sense in the context of the setting.

I really, genuinely do not see the controversial poster as transphobic. Quite the opposite. I actually like seeing that they could be treated as attractive and valuable within a setting, because they are people just like the rest of us.

Silver Crusade

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Rednal wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Here's the thing, about how I see it AS a trans person.

Spoiler:
The first is that it's not representation, it's fetishization. Its putting heavy emphasis on the very large defined penis of the individual in question. Its making their entire identity about that piece of genitalia. Second are the subtle digs that someone who isn't trans might not pick up on. The emphasis on the word IT in the ad, as a word that's often thrown at us with vile. The name of the drink in general has a few digs as well. Chromanticure. Chrom for Chromosomes. Manticores for representing something being a mismash of unwanted parts. And lastly, the M in Chromanticure is capitalized for no reason other than it brings an emphasis on the syllable "MAN". This coupled with the transphobic social media posts makes me not give them any benefit of the doubt.


Conversations!:
I am not trans myself, so it's true I don't have the same point of view. If you don't mind answering my questions, though...

Do you feel what you've described as fetishization is fundamentally different from ways that an amoral corporation might exploit other traits or perceived attributes that could be used in advertising? That is, in the context of an advertisement in a dystopian future setting, does it seem unique and different from other advertisements in the way it's probably trying to "appeal" to people in that setting, or does it seem closer to an evil corporate conglomerate "this is how we'll objectify and commercialize that particular trait"?

Honest question. I genuinely don't have the personal experience to judge this for myself, so the only way I'll ever know how other people feel about it is to, well, ask.

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Spoiler:
It might be that it is similar to other ads in the universe, that still doesn't make the context we receive it in in today's society different. Trans bodies are often fetishized in modern society, often by people that hate us. Frequently, they'll fetishize us and then murder us. Again, if it were the advertisement on its own, I may be able to squint and get past it, but its not. Its also the wording on the advertisement, and the past history of the company as a whole that makes me very leery.


Spoiler:
Well, for whatever it's worth (and I am not qualified to judge that), the developers stated they wanted to, and I quote, "give as many options of customization in the beginning of the game as we can", including nonbinary options. They specifically noted having a male face, then using visual customizations normally limited to female characters. They also noted they're still working on the system, but that the goal was to let players choose things freely.


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Spoiler:
I want to thank you both for handling such a sensitive topic with care, aplomb, and maturity.


@Freehold DM:
Well, I fully support transgender people as full members of society who deserve to be treated with the same respect as anyone else. It's not like any of us choose how we're born. Some people are natural geniuses. Some people have terrible eyesight. Some people have autism or incredible flexibility or permanent birthmarks... or a disconnect between physical and mental gender. All sorts of things can happen to people when they're born, to say nothing of societal teachings that might not match reality and condition us to reject things instead of understanding how normal and natural they really are - or how something may just need treatment.

That said, because I don't have the same experiences as others, I know that things I may find to be mild, inoffensive, or even positive might not be taken that way by other people. So... I try to be cautious and understanding when discussing sensitive topics because I know my view is not the only view and people may have different opinions for very good, very personal reasons. And having a different point of view than I do certainly isn't wrong.

Liberty's Edge

Very accurate prediction of 2020 from the Cyberpunk 2020 rulebook published in 1988.

Wow, some people could see that happening.


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Rednal wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Another aspect

Spoiler:

Just because commentary can be realistic, or plausible, does not mean it is welcome or done well.

It's a major problem whenever anyone not from a targeted group attempts to portray the experience or aspect of an experience of that targeted group. As a white male, I could write a story about how a black man suffers racism, but then I'm immediately going to run into all sorts of problems. For one, I'm just reiterating what is already going on. I'm not adding something new, or edgy. I'm just taking someone else's pain and putting it in my story. Most likely I won't represent it well, or fully. Or give it the nuance that makes it interesting for a black audience to experience (it'll just be more of the same of what they get in real life).

I'll see if I can give someone else's analogy justice.

If my house burns down, and I tell a joke about it. That can be funny (Humor in tragedy and all that). If I burn someone else's house down, and I tell a joke about it. That is just cruel.


I'm very excited about this game. I absolutely love all things cyberpunk, and I look forward to playing it ASAP!

Spoiler:
As for the transphobia-related issues. I am not trans myself, so I speak from an external POV that may surely be biased, but as a member of the LGTB community, whatever homophobia I have endured has not always come from a place of hatred or perceived superiority, but from a place of ignorance. I sometimes feel we should be less prone to absolutely ban others for their ignorance, but give them the benefit of the doubt or the chance to make ammends and learn from their mistakes.
As for the representation within the game, I actually like that cyberpunk society is highly dystopic, and objectifying people seems like a plausible outcome of over-the-top body modifications, which can be reverted, that have become —in that setting— a commodity closely linked with unethical capitalism and consummerism.


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CYBERPUNK 2077 will have three radically different prologues to the game, which will vary depending on your "lifepath" choices.

Shades of DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS there.

Sovereign Court

I'm seeing modders removing this restriction almost immediately

I mean I don't get why would one want to kill kids in a video game.


They can't, as CP2077 isn't launching with any kind of modding support, and I doubt they'll have everything in handy and easy-to-fix .ini files. They'll have modding support 6-12 months after launch.

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