I have no idea what you want me to debate.
Are you suggesting you can't maximize Ear Piercing Scream? I don't understand.
I have no idea what you want me to debate.
Are you suggesting you can't maximize Ear Piercing Scream? I don't understand.
apologies, you are in the restrictive PFS as a level 1 sorcerer with a raven familiar
you take Maximize Spell Feat to modify Ear Piercing Scream, you figure you can now hit for 5d6 and also send it through your familiar for additional range or altitude.
Your GM says "Noooooooooooo00000!"
what is your rebuttal?
My rebuttal is "sorry, I have totally misunderstood every aspect of the spell and feat I took."
Maximize Spell makes Ear Piercing Scream a 4th level spell, which you can't cast yet. It also maximizes the dice, it does not increase the effect. So if you could cast it, it would only deal 6 damage (maximum of 1d6.
Further, you can't cast "through" your familiar. You can only cast touch spells through your familiar, only if they started touching you when you cast it, and not even at first level.
What rulebook did you read?
What the freakin' heck?:O
Sorry Lupine, but you are horribly mistaken on this one
You've misused almost every single part of the scenario you've described, mplindustries pointed out most of the missteps, if there is anything specific you still have questions on I'll be glad to clarify further for ya chap.
To be fair your last post is actually the most inflammatory of the posts that have been made so far. However some things to keep in mind Gary's statement about debate isn't a warning it's an advisement using certain words creates situations that can quickly devolve into mud slinging and belligerent arguments.
Now your request was for people to argue in favor of an illegal combination. I assume you built your character exclusively using the PRD, if I'm incorrect just inform me and I'll adjust my arguments from there. A) You're a Sorc with the Arcane Bloodline in order to have a Familiar, B) You chose Ear Piercing Scream as a Known Spell, C) You are level 1, and D) You selected Maximize Spell as a feat.
With these assumptions in place let's look at the legality of the combo you are suggesting is effective. So far your selection of a known spell, feat, and familiar are fine. The issue arises when you attempt to use them together. First a Familiar may share spells at level 1 it cannot deliver spells. Share spells lets you buff your familiar as if it were yourself for the purposes of targeting. This lets you do things like cast Alter Self on your Raven. It does not let you cast damaging effects through your companion. At level 3 your Raven earns the ability to have Touch spells delivered through him, Ear Piercing Scream is not a touch spell and is ineligible for Familiar delivery.
Maximize Spell can't be used at level 1 by any class that I'm aware of.
Maximize Spell (Metamagic)
Your spells have the maximum possible effect.
Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are maximized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A maximized spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level.
As you can see it uses a spell slot 3 levels higher than normal, therefor a Maximized level 1 spell would be a 4th level spell. A Sorcerer cannot cast one till 8th level. Even if for argument sake you could Maximize it at level 1 it would deal 6 damage if the enemy failed their save and 3 if they made it. Maximize only maximizes the available damage not the potential damage. At level 8 when you could feasibly Maximize this spell it would deal 24 damage if they failed their save as you'll need to be level 10 to receive the 5th die of damage.
In essence the reason people didn't jump to argue it's legality is because it just doesn't work. In a debate the two sides should have at least the illusion of a viable position this doesn't. It violates the basic rules of the game and cannot be done for the following reason: You can't cast it through your familiar, You can't cast a spell of the appropriate level for the pertinent metamagic feat to function, and you're not a high enough caster level to have that many dice of damage for the spell you're referencing. At level 10 on the other hand you'll be able to do it minus casting through your familiar.
A friendly reminder, referring to other forum goers as an ignorant and belligerent group isn't exactly a good way to make friends.
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MPL industries has it correct.
Ear Piercing Scream does 1d6/2 levels.
You're first level. So it does 1d6, save for half.*
It is not a touch spell, so you cannot cast it 'through' your familiar.
Maximize spell does what it says on the tin. Maximizes the dice. At first level you have one die (see note) so it would do 6 points of damage.
But...
Maximize takes up a spell slot 3 levels highter. A first level sorcerer only have 1st level spell slots** so you can't maximize ear piercing scream until 8th level, where it will do 24 points of damage.
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Locking thread. The question has been answered, sorry it's not to some people's liking. In addition, being insulting to other posters is not acceptable forum behavior.