Have you ever had a cleric who holds healing over your head to make the party do what THEY want? I do and it blows! How can I tell them to suck it and still survive?
Operation: get behind the cleric?
He doesnt have to heal you if everything is attacking him instead?
thats why you should make a neg energy cleric, that'll show em
Anyone else in the party have UMD? Buy a CLW wand and UMD it.
Have a Bard or Ranger? They have cure spells on their lists, they can use wands even without UMD.
You just tell them that you don't need their stupid healing and that you'll just take as much damage as you can, without their stupid help.
That'll show 'em!
You seem pretty even tempered and reasonable, so I'm guessing this is completely the cleric's fault for their stupid dumb healing and contrary opinions to what the party needs to get done.
Don't fight unless he says he'll heal you.
Or, you know, talk to the player and say it's not fun.
I have to ask. Do you do things that in character the cleric wouldn't approve of that would tick off their diety? Or is this stictly player meta stuff?
Once when it got real bad, several players had their PC's buy wands of cure light wounds and a few potions of lesser restoration. Then we ignored the cleric and did nothing to protect/save him unless he did what we wanted.
He got the message pretty quick. But their were also a lot of bad feelings. He eventually left the group.
It would have gone much better if we had just talked to him. Yes, you provide healing, Grunk provides muscle, Serthimon provides magic, etc... It is not fair to expect that you can order us all around just because you can heal damage.
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HOWEVER, is he just playing in charater and the character is just one that doesn't mesh well with the group?
I have had fellow players build a holier-than-thou mad zelot. In-character belief was that he should be in charge of everything. So we eventually had an in-character blow out argument where we had to make him understand that we did not believe his 'god-given-authority' to make all the decisions. Fun time was had by all.
But if it is not done right, everyone else just thinks you are a jerk and no one has any fun.
I second Sardonic's question.
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I'm with those who want more information. The real question is whether this is a personality conflict between two players or between two characters.
Either way, an out of game conversation about the situation would seem to be in order. I would say that the guy playing the cleric needs to be reminded that the first rule of the game (and life in general) is "Don't be a jerk". On the other hand, the OP calling himself "Fartmancer" doesn't exactly strike me as the model of maturity, so there may be something else at play here.
I predict 100+ pages of forumers detailing their own healing/being-healed experiences in jaded posts that vaguely have something in common with the OP's own vague post.
Well played, Sir Fartmancer. Well played, indeed.
The two characters don't often see eye-to-eye since one is a goodie-goodie and the other is a selfish dick, but the healing is used to keep everyone in line and the spotlight on the cleric. That's in addition to this players sketchy dice rolling. We're also WAY behind WBL so wands and potions are tough to afford.
this reminds me of my ne cleric vs a LG pally that just smites cause it's evil. (does that sound lawful good to you?)
Definitely sounds like time for Operation: Cleric Goes In Front.
Stock up on ranged weapons (even a pile of daggers will do) and take advantage of the Withdraw action once combat has been joined to get behind the Cleric. Let him deal with front-line combat for a while.
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On the other hand, the OP calling himself "Fartmancer" doesn't exactly strike me as the model of maturity, so there may be something else at play here.Because "Fromper" screams maturity? What does the OP's username have to do with the situation?
Well, the recommendation was talking like mature adults with the cleric player. But someone with "fart" in their username doesn't exactly strike me as a mature adult.
Sounds more like the Cleric Player is an Attention Junkie. As others say... A Group Intervention is needed.
Sounds more like the Cleric Player is an Attention Junkie. As others say... A Group Intervention is needed.
Agreed.
Sounds more like the Cleric Player is an Attention Junkie. As others say... A Group Intervention is needed.
Only one small problem - the cleric is the gm's significant other.
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Sounds more like the Cleric Player is an Attention Junkie. As others say... A Group Intervention is needed.Only one small problem - the cleric is the gm's significant other.
This was key information that should have been mentioned earlier.
You're screwed.
Based on new information, I now predict 100+ pages of complaining about the GM's girlfriend.
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Oddly, this piece of information doesn't change the best course of action one bit. It just changes the expected outcome of the best course of action.
The correct thing to do is to talk to everyone involved about the situation, explain why it's getting in the way of some other people having fun, and come to an agreement. If everyone involved are mature, responsible adults, this should work. If the cleric player is an attention hog who will use their position with the GM to force the rest of the group to do what they want, then this will likely result in the group disbanding.
If it were me, I'd think the group disbanding would probably be better than continuing with a group that passive-aggressively hates each other and finds in game ways to screw each other over.
That escalated quickly! Heheheheh
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Sounds more like the Cleric Player is an Attention Junkie. As others say... A Group Intervention is needed.Only one small problem - the cleric is the gm's significant other.
Haha! Yeah, bribing the Gm to see your side of things gets a lot harder when all you've got to offer is pizza and the other person has sex.
If a GM is willing to allow their significant other to ruin the groups fun... It is time for a new GM.
To follow up on Sardonic's question.....
... is the group acting more-or-less evil in behavior without the cleric's manipulation? You may have painted a "good" character into a corner giving her (I am assuming) few options on how to reign in the sociopathic murderhoboes and keep them on a vaguely heroic path. And this is the best choice that she could come up with that was "in character"
If half your group is playing "neutral in name only" evil characters, the good-aligned cleric might not be the one being dickish. More detail would be nice.
"trying to steer this batch of crazy killing machines" is the natural role of the good aligned spiritualist. If your 'selfish dick' player has already made it clear that less direct methods won't work, you created this situation yourselves.
uhhhhh just to help this along you get that the "selfish" character is played by the OP, right?
uhhhhh just to help this along you get that the "selfish" character is played by the OP, right?
Based on this "The two characters don't often see eye-to-eye since one is a goodie-goodie and the other is a selfish dick, but the healing is used to keep everyone in line and the spotlight on the cleric. That's in addition to this players sketchy dice rolling" I wasn't sure if this was just a problem between two characters, or it was a problem between one character and the rest of the group.
Either way, I am interested in a "both sides" view of the problem.
Because I can easily imagine someone on the other side of this with a completely valid and cogent argument as to why everything is the other person's fault. But I don't want to project my baggage here, I'd rather see if we can strip away the single-sided POV.
this is why a DM shouldn't bring his/her signifficant other to the gaming table. bad things happen.
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this is why a DM shouldn't bring his/her signifficant other to the gaming table. bad things happen.
I've played in many groups where the GM's significant other was part of the group and it worked out wonderfully. Our current group is composed of 3 couples and 3 of us all take turns GMing without spousal issues. The GM just needs to separate personal life issues from game issues. I've (not exactly purposefully) destroyed my girlfriend's characters in several campaigns. Her first night gaming ever I kind of blew her up with a dragon.
The problem isn't playing with your significant others, it's playing favorites at the table because of existing relationships. GM's who can't maintain their neutrality are a problem, gaming with the people you love is not.
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The problem isn't playing with your significant others, it's playing favorites at the table because of existing relationships. GM's who can't maintain their neutrality are a problem, gaming with the people you love is not.
This.
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this is why a DM shouldn't bring his/her signifficant other to the gaming table. bad things happen.
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.You get caught in the rain without an umbrella.
"This is why you shouldn't ever leave the house at all. Bad things happen."
Your cornflakes were soggy.
"This is why you shouldn't ever eat breakfast. Bad things happen."
Your dog threw up on your shoes.
"This is why you shouldn't ever own a pet. Bad things happen."
You stepped on your child's incredibly sharp legos while in bare feet.
"This is why you shouldn't ever have children. Bad things happen."
Your significant other wants to share a hobby/passion with you but it doesn't go perfectly.
"This is why a DM shouldn't bring his/her signifficant other to the gaming table. bad things happen."
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this is why a DM shouldn't bring his/her signifficant other to the gaming table. bad things happen..
.You get caught in the rain without an umbrella.
"This is why you shouldn't ever leave the house at all. Bad things happen."Your cornflakes were soggy.
"This is why you shouldn't ever eat breakfast. Bad things happen."Your dog threw up on your shoes.
"This is why you shouldn't ever own a pet. Bad things happen."You stepped on your child's incredibly sharp legos while in bare feet.
"This is why you shouldn't ever have children. Bad things happen."Your significant other wants to share a hobby/passion with you but it doesn't go perfectly.
"This is why a DM shouldn't bring his/her signifficant other to the gaming table. bad things happen."
heh... sometimes, if a DM doesn't bring his/her significant other to the gaming table.... nothing happens
I have been deemed cruel to my "Significant Other" when I GM... So not every GM who brings in their "Significant Other" plays favorites.
would halirous if it was a life oracle more then a cleric
would halirous if it was a life oracle more then a cleric
Yes, Yes it would.
If a GM is willing to allow their significant other to ruin the groups fun... It is time for a new GM.
Definitely sounds like a group dynamics issue and yes it is time for a new DM and perhaps some changes to the group. This is why our club choses its more mature players as its DMs although I have somewhat of an issue with my wife running her own game<G>.
If a GM is willing to allow their significant other to ruin the groups fun... It is time for a new GM.Definitely sounds like a group dynamics issue and yes it is time for a new DM and perhaps some changes to the group. This is why our club choses its more mature players as its DMs although I have somewhat of an issue with my wife running her own game<G>.
Does she touch you in a bad place? it's ok, show us where she touch's you on the life oracle. Don't mind the life Oracle, she can take it.
An old player in our group had a cleric who who insisted that characters who wanted healing kiss his ring before getting it. This was out of combat though. You might be able to imagine how many arguments this led to. This was an event that eventually led to our group buying cure wands.
maybe i was a little overgeneralizing. but signifficant others are often treated in 2 ways according to the gamer steriotypes i was informed of.
the extremes are
the 'favorite' of the DM who recieves all sorts of boons
or the 'primary target' who constantly gets threatened by everything and dies more than any other player.
either way, it is special treatment.
there might be groups where neither happens,but that is usually because of a pretty content signifficant other. most of the signifficant others i have been introduced to, weren't very content with what they had. so it may have poisoned my thoughts.
Does she touch you in a bad place? it's ok, show us where she touch's you on the life oracle. Don't mind the life Oracle, she can take it.If a GM is willing to allow their significant other to ruin the groups fun... It is time for a new GM.Definitely sounds like a group dynamics issue and yes it is time for a new DM and perhaps some changes to the group. This is why our club choses its more mature players as its DMs although I have somewhat of an issue with my wife running her own game<G>.
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I critted you 3 times in a row and conformid....feel scythe damage!!!
I'm going to have to request you not touch the Life Oracle in a bad place, okay?
Thanks.