Well I think it would be good at the tiger style. A tiger doing praying mantis though, or peach blossom (effeminate taunting style), that would be legendary.
There is a feat to allow natural weapons with monk usage, i believe.
Feral Combat Training will allow you to choose a natural weapon, and Flurry with it.
Which book is that in, by chance? Sounds like an interesting feat.
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Can a tiger do Kung-Fu?
Only while crouching.
Feral Combat Training will allow you to choose a natural weapon, and Flurry with it.Which book is that in, by chance? Sounds like an interesting feat.
When in doubt ask the SRD, it holds all the answers. In this case the answer is Ultimate Combat.
Can a tiger do Kung-Fu?Only while crouching.
Just watch out for Dragons with Rogue levels.
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If you try to employ your monk abilities in wereshape that's essentially embracing your curse, which means you take on the template alignment of your lycanthropic form.
Which means pretty much goodbye to any future monk levels.
...That's a very peculiar interpretation of the rules. So a Paladin lycanthrope who smites evil would find himself killing babies before the night is through?
...That's a very peculiar interpretation of the rules. So a Paladin lycanthrope who smites evil would find himself killing babies before the night is through?If you try to employ your monk abilities in wereshape that's essentially embracing your curse, which means you take on the template alignment of your lycanthropic form.
Which means pretty much goodbye to any future monk levels.
I concur, this is an odd ruling and not inline with RAW. There are no "template alignments" for Were creatures, infact in the whole template alignment isn't mentioned. Though certain weres are said to favor one alignment over another, much like PC races it's just the norm. There are even examples of LG werebears right in the book.
Also, even if it's "evil" to embrace your curse, Monks are just lawful... So one could be LN or LE if they wanted; meaning even with such a twisted ruling one could still using such "curses" and be a monk.
Can a tiger do Kung-Fu?Only while crouching.
When in doubt ask the SRD, it holds all the answers. In this case the answer is Ultimate Combat.Feral Combat Training will allow you to choose a natural weapon, and Flurry with it.Which book is that in, by chance? Sounds like an interesting feat.
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That's a very peculiar interpretation of the rules. So a Paladin lycanthrope who smites evil would find himself killing babies before the night is through?
In 3.5E, becoming a lycanthrope would indeed change your alignment and weretigers were "always [true] neutral". One more change from 3E to Pathfinder I didn't know about...
To answer the original question: There's nothing in the rules disallowing a monk in tiger form from doing a flurry of head butts (say), although I've met a number of GMs who didn't like the idea of "karate bears".
Hmm... in UC there is also Tiger style... stands to reason that tigers would naturally be better at it than monks who are emulating tigers to fight... altho the RAW doesn't support this unfortunately.
And I don't think it really tracks in real life either, unfortunately. Tigers have their own way of fighting. If a tiger actually tried "Tiger Style" Kung Fu, which was made to for a biped to sort of emulate the way a tiger fights, it would fall down, due to it being a quadruped. :P
It'd be kinda like a horse trying to perform the "horse stance".
Better for a tiger to fight like a tiger, rather than it trying to fight like a human trying to fight like a tiger.
As far as using flurry of blows... If I were GM, I suppose I'd have to stipulate that the character would have to spend a certain amount of time training in their tiger form to be able to use it in that way. Most people cannot "flurry" without the special training of a Monk. I'd think that being a tiger in wild-shape would mean that you could do most tiger-y things, but most tigers can't "flurry" without the special training of a Monk.
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I'm not asking about the monk in wereshape, I'm asking about him in Wild Shape (as the Druid ability).
My main concern: Where does it say that a tiger can make an unarmed strike?
It actually kind of says the opposite:
Some fey, humanoids, monstrous humanoids, and outsiders do not possess natural attacks. These creatures can make unarmed strikes, but treat them as weapons for the purpose of determining attack bonuses, and they must use the two-weapon fighting rules when making attacks with both hands. See Table: Natural Attacks by Size for typical damage values for natural attacks by creature size.That actually kind of indicates that if you're not a "fey, humanoids, monstrous humanoids, or outsider who does not possess natural attacks" you can't make an unarmed strike.
As others have mentioned though, this is easily solved by taking the Feral Combat Training feat and flurrying with your claws.
I asked James Jacobs in the relevant thread and apparently you keep your monk unarmed strike as a tiger, catoblepas, triceratops, allosaurus or what have you.
Granted he isn't a rule guy, but it is a semi-official answer.
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