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...and yet the monk archtype for Catfolk doesn't use cha instead of wisdom for there ac/abilities, so I ask what was the point of giving them a monk archtype.To drive "everything must be optimized!!!!!murragghhbllzzleeeee" folks up the wall ;-)
The Suli (racial -2 Int penalty) Magus archetype is just as bad.
Though a magus character can possibly grab the SGG Cabalist archetype from Ultimate Options: New Magus Arcana to swap Int for Cha as your casting stat.
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Maybe it's not that they are making bad optimization choices in their archetype designs, but rather that they are trying to throw those particular race/class combos a bone so they can be more or less on par with those races that have a +2 in the appropriate stat?
No strix awesomeness? :(
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A bump after 30 minutes.
Desperation is a pungent cologne...
Strix get a fighter arctype(airborn ambusher), a feat that improves there flight speed, magic item(stonemist cloak), spell(strong wings), and a weapon(snag net)
Alternate racial traits
Dayguard-+2 perception and perception is a class skill, replaces nocturnal.
Frightening-+2 intimidate checks, replaces nocturnal.
Nimble-+1 reflex saves, replaces suspicious.
Tough-+1 fortitude saves, replaces suspicious.
Winged clipped-weaker flight but gains a +2 to bluff, climb, and diplomacy.
Favored class bonus
Barbarian-+1 rage round per day.
Fighter-+1/4 to hatred bonus.
Monk-+1/4 ki point.
Ranger-+1/2 to duration for companions bonus for hunter's bond.
What different sizes are supported by the race builder? I remember the playtest only having rules for tiny through to large, but as a GM I have two races, a diminutive-sized race and a colossal-sized race, in mind, and I'd love to get some support for making them both from the ARG.
What different sizes are supported by the race builder? I remember the playtest only having rules for tiny through to large, but as a GM I have two races, a diminutive-sized race and a colossal-sized race, in mind, and I'd love to get some support for making them both from the ARG.
Sorry, the ARG does not support those sizes
only Tiny to Large
Tch, so much for my high hopes there... Ah well, there's still lots of things in the ARG that I do want, so I'm still buying it.
...I'll probably houserule RP costs for the sizes I want once I can get my hands on the book and get a good look at how the prices of different traits compare to each other.
...and yet the monk archtype for Catfolk doesn't use cha instead of wisdom for there ac/abilities, so I ask what was the point of giving them a monk archtype.To drive "everything must be optimized!!!!!murragghhbllzzleeeee" folks up the wall ;-)The Suli (racial -2 Int penalty) Magus archetype is just as bad.
Though a magus character can possibly grab the SGG Cabalist archetype from Ultimate Options: New Magus Arcana to swap Int for Cha as your casting stat.
{whispers:} Pssst...
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I've got a question that doesn't seem to have been covered in the book regarding spell-like abilities.
It says that it costs 1 RP per level of the SLA. However, what if you're not gaining all of the benefits of the spell itself? Like say half-celestials that have Summon monster IX (celestials only). What number of RP do you gain back from that? Obviously that would cost 9 RP if you could use that spell normally, but with this limitation it's only 1/2 as useful. So maybe you get back 3? Also, what if you had that ability 3/day? Would you, given my above example number, have a -3 RP to each usage? So instead of it costing 27 RP it's now 18?
If it is in the book, and I don't see it, by all means point it out, but I found this to be quite the oversight.
Also, I know pixies have 4 HD, but how are their SLA only costing them 3 RP when they've got 11 SLA? Is their HD giving them spells as a wizard? Does it not cost more RP for constant usage of some of them? Confused.
I've got a question that doesn't seem to have been covered in the book regarding spell-like abilities.
It says that it costs 1 RP per level of the SLA. However, what if you're not gaining all of the benefits of the spell itself? Like say half-celestials that have Summon monster IX (celestials only). What number of RP do you gain back from that? Obviously that would cost 9 RP if you could use that spell normally, but with this limitation it's only 1/2 as useful. So maybe you get back 3? Also, what if you had that ability 3/day? Would you, given my above example number, have a -3 RP to each usage? So instead of it costing 27 RP it's now 18?
If it is in the book, and I don't see it, by all means point it out, but I found this to be quite the oversight.
I'd say that most casters should only get partial usefulness out of summoning; I'd look with quite a skeptical eye on a good-aligned caster summoning a good chunk of the creatures on the summon list.
But in short - it's really not that big of a handicap. The fact that they can summon at all as a SLA is the huge part; the fact that they have a restricted list is really pretty minor in comparison.
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I'd say that most casters should only get partial usefulness out of summoning; I'd look with quite a skeptical eye on a good-aligned caster summoning a good chunk of the creatures on the summon list.
But in short - it's really not that big of a handicap. The fact that they can summon at all as a SLA is the huge part; the fact that they have a restricted list is really pretty minor in comparison.
That's not what I'm asking though. I'm looking at all these creatures with SLA, and they have multiple spells, but they're not being charged all that much. I'm just asking if I'm reading it wrong, and what the point cost should be.
How I'm reading it is that it costs you X RP equal to the spell level, 1/day. So a 9th level spell 1/day should cost 9 RP. A 3rd level spell should cost 3 RP. Yet I'm seeing all these races with multiple SLA at various levels (some higher than 2nd level) and they cost a minimum amount. Take for the example the human half-fiend. They get Blasphemy 1/day, which is a 7th level spell, yet it says that their spell-like ability only costs 2 RP. So does the human half-fiend in the example not get Blasphemy, Contagion, Poison 3/day, and Summon Monster IX?
I want to eventually build my own races, but as I said, I'm confused with regards to the SLA.
EDIT: I'm looking to make my own races, much like others, but SLA is a big part of it. Don't really want to rip off my players.
How are the sample races? I mean the ones they designed in the race builder section. Were they any cool?
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I'd say that most casters should only get partial usefulness out of summoning; I'd look with quite a skeptical eye on a good-aligned caster summoning a good chunk of the creatures on the summon list.
But in short - it's really not that big of a handicap. The fact that they can summon at all as a SLA is the huge part; the fact that they have a restricted list is really pretty minor in comparison.
That's not what I'm asking though. I'm looking at all these creatures with SLA, and they have multiple spells, but they're not being charged all that much. I'm just asking if I'm reading it wrong, and what the point cost should be.
How I'm reading it is that it costs you X RP equal to the spell level, 1/day. So a 9th level spell 1/day should cost 9 RP. A 3rd level spell should cost 3 RP. Yet I'm seeing all these races with multiple SLA at various levels (some higher than 2nd level) and they cost a minimum amount. Take for the example the human half-fiend. They get Blasphemy 1/day, which is a 7th level spell, yet it says that their spell-like ability only costs 2 RP. So does the human half-fiend in the example not get Blasphemy, Contagion, Poison 3/day, and Summon Monster IX?
I want to eventually build my own races, but as I said, I'm confused with regards to the SLA.
EDIT: I'm looking to make my own races, much like others, but SLA is a big part of it. Don't really want to rip off my players.
Sorry, what page do you see a human half-fiend on? (Because I'm thinking you're looking at the Tiefling, who gets Darkness 1/Day and the points make sense.)
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Sorry, what page do you see a human half-fiend on? (Because I'm thinking you're looking at the Tiefling, who gets Darkness 1/Day and the points make sense.)
No, I'm not thinking of tiefling. And, apologies, it's called the Half-fiend Human and it's under the Monster Races Examples. His SLA is 2 RP. The tiefling is 1 RP for their Darkness. One spell, level 1, 1/day = 1 RP.
Looking it over, I'll assume that the example is for a lvl 1 human with the half-fiend template, and therefore only getting Darkness 3/day, but reading over the rules, that should still mean 3 RP, not 2.
While I know the drow is an "approximation" of how many points it should actually be, I would like to know how to actually calculate the numbers because 6 RP, when some of those are "at-will" and not "1/day", seems a bit confusing.
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Sorry, what page do you see a human half-fiend on? (Because I'm thinking you're looking at the Tiefling, who gets Darkness 1/Day and the points make sense.)No, I'm not thinking of tiefling. And, apologies, it's called the Half-fiend Human and it's under the Monster Races Examples. His SLA is 2 RP. The tiefling is 1 RP for their Darkness. One spell, level 1, 1/day = 1 RP.
Looking it over, I'll assume that the example is for a lvl 1 human with the half-fiend template, and therefore only getting Darkness 3/day, but reading over the rules, that should still mean 3 RP, not 2.
While I know the drow is an "approximation" of how many points it should actually be, I would like to know how to actually calculate the numbers because 6 RP, when some of those are "at-will" and not "1/day", seems a bit confusing.
Tieflings: Darkness= lvl 2 spell, 1/day= 2RP
Drow Nobles have SLAs.
The at-will SLA is a monstrous trait that takes twice as many RP as the spell level(s)(minimum 2) for up to five spells. The Drow Noble can do dancing lights(1=2), deeper darkness (3=6), faerie fire(1=2), feather fall (1=2), and levitate(2=4) at will. 2+6+2+2+4=16rp, as listed.
They have a lesser SLA 1/day and a Greater 1/day, which could also be up to 5 spells. In this case , the Lesser is Divine Favor at 1RP, and the Greater includes Dispel Magic and Suggestion, both as level 3 spells for a total of 6RP.
Finally, they have Detect Magic as a constant SLA costing 3RP.
Hope this helps, because I don't see your half-fiend anywhere in my pdf and you didn't give me a page number.
How are the sample races? I mean the ones they designed in the race builder section. Were they any cool?
There is:
A fairly lame construct race (constructed by a wizard killed wizard control their own means of production and are secretive)
A meh fey race (small clumsy flyers)
A ugly meat shield race that's good at grappling.
A kobold/dragon crossbreed -- pretty much what you would expect here.
Most the rest are builds of already existing monster races -- lizardfolk, centaurs, gargoyles and the like...
nothing that really jumped out at me over all.
^Ugly meat shield race? Well, I guess it's all opinion. I thought the Trox looked pretty cool though (both visually, and as an enemy. Maybe not so much as a PC).
The "totally not thri kreen we swear" race was functional.
Anyone work out the Kistune's total cost?
(They seem to be popular on the boards.)
I think this is the closest:
Kitsune: Total 8 RP
+0 RP: Type Humanoid (kitsune, shapeshifter)
+0 RP: Size: Medium
+0 RP: Base Speed: Normal
+0 RP: Ability Score Modifiers: Standard (+2 Dex, +2 Cha, –2 Str)
+0 RP: Languages: Standard: Common, Sylvan; any human language, Aklo, Celestial, Elven, Gnome, and Tengu
Defense Racial Traits:
+1 RP: Agile (Ex): Fixed Skill Bonus [+2 racial bonus on Acrobatics checks]
Offensive Racial Traits:
+1 RP: Natural Weapons (Ex): In her natural form, a kitsune has a bite attack that deals 1d4 points of damage.
Magical Racial Traits:
+3 RP: Change Shape, lesser (Su): A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune does not adjust her ability scores.
+2 RP: Kitsune Magic (Ex/Sp): Kitsune add +1 to the DC of any saving throws against enchantment spells that they cast. Kitsune with a Charisma score of 11 or higher gain the following spell-like ability: 3/day—dancing lights.
Senses Racial Traits
+1 RP: Low-light vision
Thanks, Spiral Ninja.