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The applicable energy type for a potion or wand of resist energy or protection from energy must be determined at the time of purchase or crafting since that is when the spell is actually cast; it would not be decided at the time of drinking or activation, yes?
No. It would be determined on use. The spell is only sort of half cast when creating a potion and the ability to cast the spell is just stored in a wand. The spells aren't actually completed until they are used.
No. It would be determined on use. The spell is only sort of half cast when creating a potion and the ability to cast the spell is just stored in a wand. The spells aren't actually completed until they are used.
So a potion purchased and listed on a character sheet as a potion of protection from cold is really just a potion of protection from [any] energy and could be drunk to provide protection from fire or any other allowed energy, determined at the time of drinking?
The applicable energy type for a potion or wand of resist energy or protection from energy must be determined at the time of purchase or crafting since that is when the spell is actually cast; it would not be decided at the time of drinking or activation, yes?
Potions: "Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn't get to make any decisions about the effect—the caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect)."
The first two sentences imply that the creator decides everything about the potion, which means he chooses which element to resist.
The last sentence, particularly that in parenthesis, says the drinker still controls the effect. This implies the drinker does have some control over it. Since these seem to be contradictory, ask your DM.
I think that just refers to the person drinking being the caster and not the potion or the potion-brewer.
It says pretty clearly the effects are already determined.
Wands are different though, they get decided when cast.
I think that just refers to the person drinking being the caster and not the potion or the potion-brewer.
It says pretty clearly the effects are already determined.
"the drinker still controls the effect"
Also, the Hedge Wizard has a potion of resist energy, and it doesn't specify the element in his stat block.
I still suspect the intent is that the energy type would be chosen when it's brewed.
The energy type is indeed chosen at creation. The line about "still controls the effect" is in reference to anything that happens after it's cast. If there was a potion with a spell in it that let you end the spell to do something, the imbiber would be in control of that.
Example:
There's a spell that gives some minor resistance to one type of elemental damage, and the person affected by it can end it as a swift action to make a bolt of that energy type that does damage equal to the amount of the energy resisted.
This is turned into a potion. The brewer chooses the energy type that is affected, but the imbiber gets to choose when to turn the energy into a bolt.
"the drinker still controls the effect"I think that just refers to the person drinking being the caster and not the potion or the potion-brewer.
It says pretty clearly the effects are already determined.
I think that "controls the effect" refers to active control over the spell while it lasts - such as taking actions to ascend or descent after drinking the potion of levitation, dismissing dismissible spells or commanding zombies created with oil of animate dead.
I think that "controls the effect" refers to active control over the spell while it lasts - such as taking actions to ascend or descent after drinking the potion of levitation, dismissing dismissible spells or commanding zombies created with oil of animate dead."the drinker still controls the effect"I think that just refers to the person drinking being the caster and not the potion or the potion-brewer.
It says pretty clearly the effects are already determined.
Just imagine what it would be like without that line:
I have a potion of levitation, with all choices made by the creator. I drink it. I spend the entire duration going up 20', then down 10', then up 20', then down 10'... Then I go beat up the caster who made such an annoying potion.
Check out this post and the two below it.
Cheapy, thanks for the link. However, that post implies that there are some instances where the RAW would be followed (a potion of protection from energy) and some instances where the RAW would be ignored (a potion of lesser restoration).
The choice is made when the potion is created, not when someone drinks it.
"Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn't get to make any decisions about the effect—the caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect)."
Straight from the PRD.
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I think that just refers to the person drinking being the caster and not the potion or the potion-brewer.
It says pretty clearly the effects are already determined.
"the drinker still controls the effect"
Also, the Hedge Wizard has a potion of resist energy, and it doesn't specify the element in his stat block.
I still suspect the intent is that the energy type would be chosen when it's brewed.
Levitate potion: the drinker decide if he go up or down and at what speed, not the caster that can be thousand of kilometres away and dead.
On the other hand the potion creator decide if he want to make a potion of resist cold or resist fire.
When you use a wand you cast the actual spell, so all the parameter are decided at the time of the casting.
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There is a difference in using the effect of the spell once it is cast, and making decisions about the spell effect you want when you cast it.
Levitate has a specific effect when its cast. So if you are the target, you get those effects.
Resist Energy needs some choices made during the casting.
The key is, is the choice made during casting, or during the use of the spell effect.
The choice is made when the potion is created, not when someone drinks it.
I would like to know if a Potion of Lesser Restoration needs to be bought as Potion of Lesser Restoration (Strength).
The choice is made when the potion is created, not when someone drinks it.I would like to know if a Potion of Lesser Restoration needs to be bought as Potion of Lesser Restoration (Strength).
Read my link above to see his answer.
RAW yes, you do. although Sean isn't a fan of it.