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Over at the PathfinderWiki we are beginning to create a list of all the areas of Golarion canon where a Paizo employee has stated that the particular subject will always be a mystery and never revealed to the public. For instance, how exactly did Aroden die?

The embryonic page may be found here: Mysteries of Golarion.

We'd be grateful for help creating this page as this sort of material isn't usually found in Paizo's publications but, rather, on messageboards, in conference presentations or on podcasts.

Please add anything you have to the new wiki page, or append it here if you'd prefer; if you can give us a reference to where the statement was made, even better.

Best Regards,
Wiki Minister

Liberty's Edge

From "Secrets of Golarion" at PaizoCon 2011.
1) Aroden (check)
2) Eye of Abendego (check)

and
3) Who created Golarion & Humanity" will never be implicitly defined

there might be more mysteries detailed later in the recording, but I can't remember.

Scarab Sages

What happened to the Rogarvia royal family of Brevoy?


My guesses?

Aeromantic Infadibulum
Azlanti magic
Azlanti society
Ancient aboleth secrets
Arcadia (the continent)


I'd take off Test of the Starstone, since it is intended to address this once the Mythic rules are published. To quote Erik (my emphasis):

As for the Test of the Starstone, that's meant to bridge the gap between "mortal" and "demigod," and at present we're not exactly sure what level that should be. A proper treatment of this dungeon would probably be appropriate for the 20+ set, which means we need to create the rules for those types of characters before we can do justice to this idea.
As the inventor of the Test of the Starstone, however, I can say that we WILL do this at some point. My current Pathfinder campaign, "Kings of Abslom" (which all the other Paizo people participating in today's AMA have played) is sort of a long-form prelude to the Test of the Starstone, so this is definitely something we're thinking about and planning toward.

Q&A. A little way down.

Liberty's Edge

Mr. Quick wrote:


Arcadia (the continent)

This isn't an intentional mystery per se, it's just a continent they're not likely to get around to detailing for a while (since Casmaron, which is probably two Guides, and Southern Garund, which is likely another, are likely to go first).


Thank you to all who have posted so far, either here or on the page directly. I have transferred your mysteries to the PathfinderWiki this evening. See the original post for a link to the page.

Please keep them coming.

Best Regards,
Wiki Minister

Grand Lodge

-Who are the Pathfinder Society Decemvirate members?
-What happened to the Imperial family of the fallen empire of Lung Wa? (Tian Xia)

Paizo Employee Developer

Just bumping this thread. No particular reason. Certainly not because we're wondering what mysteries the community is most interested in? Nope. Not that at all.


Old Mage Jatembe

Ancient Cyclopes civilization(s)

Nex (the wizard, not the country)

Do these qualify as 'mysteries?' These are intriguing and essential parts of Golarion's past; to me anyways. Not that anyone's counting, or such. Not that at all.

Liberty's Edge

Looking at that page, at least one of the mysteries has been answered-- we know where the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords is now. (Or, at least, where it was yesterday. It's possible there's a new dead dragon and it's lost again.)

I second the interest in Old Mage Jatembe and his crew.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Mark Moreland wrote:
Just bumping this thread. No particular reason. Certainly not because we're wondering what mysteries the community is most interested in? Nope. Not that at all.

Why I am not one of the official gods...


Good idea...

Real origin of the elves?
Are they from Golarion or from Sovyrian (or even from the First World?)

The origin of the halflings?

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Who and what is Sivanah. As a result, what is behind her seventh veil?
Why do the Proteans hate her so much?

What are the Crouching Jackal and Creeping Watcher monumental statues in the Katapesh desert?

What are the the Three Stars pyramids in the same desert?

What god was worshiped in the Lost Temple in the same desert?

Radiant Oath

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

EDIT: Nevermind, someone already mentioned the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords. Carry on!

Silver Crusade

Another mystery from the linked page answered: Rovagug is an ascended Qlippoth

James Jacobs wrote:
Rovagug is one of the oldest gods, in any event—the qlippoth may well have preceded the gods themselves in fact. (And we've pretty much "outed" Rovagug as an ascended qlippoth as of Pathfinder #64.)


Dotting for later.


B.A. Ironskull wrote:
Nex (the wizard, not the country)

If you put the pieces together, Nex is trapped in one of his own demiplanes.


Sarusan.

The Osirian Countdown.

Statblock for the Oliphaunt of Jandelay.

The contents of Pathfinder Chronicles, volume 5.

Lantern Lodge RPG Superstar 2014 Top 4

Michael Gentry wrote:

Sarusan.

The Osirian Countdown.

Statblock for the Oliphaunt of Jandelay.

The contents of Pathfinder Chronicles, volume 5.

Oliphaunt of Jandelay will be statted out in an upcoming book.

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

Michael Gentry wrote:


The contents of Pathfinder Chronicles, volume 5.

Oooh, that's a good one.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

How about why the gods care about having mortal worshippers in the first place?


I liked how the greyhawk setting never really had worshippers tied to their powers...like Boccob the Uncaring god of magic in greyhawk.

My players wondered why after looting one of his temples their mages spells still worked...I said "you don't get a sobriet like 'the uncaring' for nothing..."

I too would like to read about the Pathfinder Chronicles, volume 5!

I'll spring for pizza and beer at my gaming session tomorrow...just google radioactive tumbleweeds for a clue to the location!


Alzrius wrote:
How about why the gods care about having mortal worshippers in the first place?

Are we certain that they do? I can't remember if it's ever been established in the setting that the gods need worshippers. Maybe they just like them.

Scarab Sages

Robert Brookes wrote:
Michael Gentry wrote:

Sarusan.

The Osirian Countdown.

Statblock for the Oliphaunt of Jandelay.

The contents of Pathfinder Chronicles, volume 5.

Oliphaunt of Jandelay will be statted out in an upcoming book.

Which one? Mythic Book?

Heck, I would settle for a scale sized picture, but a statblock is even better.


theneofish wrote:

I'd take off Test of the Starstone, since it is intended to address this once the Mythic rules are published. To quote Erik (my emphasis):

As for the Test of the Starstone, that's meant to bridge the gap between "mortal" and "demigod," and at present we're not exactly sure what level that should be. A proper treatment of this dungeon would probably be appropriate for the 20+ set, which means we need to create the rules for those types of characters before we can do justice to this idea.
As the inventor of the Test of the Starstone, however, I can say that we WILL do this at some point. My current Pathfinder campaign, "Kings of Abslom" (which all the other Paizo people participating in today's AMA have played) is sort of a long-form prelude to the Test of the Starstone, so this is definitely something we're thinking about and planning toward.

Q&A. A little way down.

Note: in that quote, Erik said they would need to create rules for level 21+ before doing Test of Starstone, and there appear to be no plans for doing such (well, actually, there are the 3.0 epic rules, which are open source and free for use/conversion, and there are lots of unofficial conversions of the ELH to PF on the internet, but as far as I know there are no announced plans for an official PF epic book, just ultimate mythic which enhance low-mid level games.)


Michael Gentry wrote:
Alzrius wrote:
How about why the gods care about having mortal worshippers in the first place?
Are we certain that they do? I can't remember if it's ever been established in the setting that the gods need worshippers. Maybe they just like them.

That's the point: it has in fact been established that the gods don't need worshipers, so why do they want them anyway?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Maps, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
137ben wrote:
theneofish wrote:

I'd take off Test of the Starstone, since it is intended to address this once the Mythic rules are published. To quote Erik (my emphasis):

As for the Test of the Starstone, that's meant to bridge the gap between "mortal" and "demigod," and at present we're not exactly sure what level that should be. A proper treatment of this dungeon would probably be appropriate for the 20+ set, which means we need to create the rules for those types of characters before we can do justice to this idea.
As the inventor of the Test of the Starstone, however, I can say that we WILL do this at some point. My current Pathfinder campaign, "Kings of Abslom" (which all the other Paizo people participating in today's AMA have played) is sort of a long-form prelude to the Test of the Starstone, so this is definitely something we're thinking about and planning toward.

Q&A. A little way down.

Note: in that quote, Erik said they would need to create rules for level 21+ before doing Test of Starstone, and there appear to be no plans for doing such (well, actually, there are the 3.0 epic rules, which are open source and free for use/conversion, and there are lots of unofficial conversions of the ELH to PF on the internet, but as far as I know there are no announced plans for an official PF epic book, just ultimate mythic which enhance low-mid level games.)

No he said 20+, which is exactly what the Mythic rules will do. Yes they will enhance low to mid level gameplay too, or they can be used to extend games past level 20. Or they can be used along side a campaign normally, but at the end you will be considered well above level 20.


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We have been continually given hints in the last few years about Arcadia, and James Jacob has mentioned it as a continent high on the list of places he would like to explore. So I think Arcadia will show up eventually

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

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We are a ways off on the Test of the Starstone, probably as in "years from now". That is a hugely ambitious project, and to put it simply we aren't ready for it yet. Mythic rules probably qualify for what I was talking about in that old post in terms of power level, but to be honest I'm fine with it just being a 20th level adventure, the capstone to a "normal" campaign.

But it's all academic at the moment because we don't have the capacity to give the Test of the Starstone the proper presentation, at least not yet. It will be interesting to see (and here I'm speaking mostly in terms of in-house stuff that you guys never see) how the Emerald Spire superdungeon goes in terms of development, coordination, and editing. I am certain it will be incredibly awesome, but the internal mechanisms of how it gets that way will tell us a lot about how to pull off a huge one-shot adventure with multiple authors, which is one likely (and my favorite) presentation for a Test of the Starstone supermodule.

So seeing how the Emerald Spire production effort goes off and what we can learn about it to make it better is, in my mind, one of the most important milestones we as a company would need to achieve to do the Test of the Starstone correctly.


Few that came to mind:

1. The origin of Kaer Maga (before the Runelords moved in).
2. What changed Dou-Bral into Zon-Kuthon and why the other gods aren’t worried about it following him to Golarion and doing the same to them…
3. Where the Starstone came from and if it’s ascension properties are because of where it came from, how it came to Golarion, where it is now, or some other reason. 3b. Also, if the Aboleth or someone else can whistle-up another one.
4. If there’s a canon reason that Pharasma won’t talk about Aroden’s death rather than the meta fact that the Paizo team doesn’t want it know. (I don’t expect to know what it is, just curious if there is one other than “none-ya”.)
5. What is the name of the now-deceased deity that made the Whisperer of Souls and why was it created to capture souls?
6. Where did Baron Aldori learn swordsmanship and what (if anything) is the significance of the name Aldori?

-TimD

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