As the time approaches to start putting together the massive Slumbering Tsar Saga more and more people are asking about the final format and how the maps will be presented.
Now, we are already moving forward with a PDF with the "Player Maps" which is, at this point, intended to be a free download. It would be a simple matter to create another downloadable PDF for "GM Maps". So we'll see.
What I would like to ask is how folks would like to see the maps done in the final product.
A) Inserted into the pertinent area of the adventure.
B) Compiled in the back of the volume.
C) Both
D) Map Dictator - NO MAPS FOR YOU!
E) Other
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As the time approaches to start putting together the massive Slumbering Tsar Saga more and more people are asking about the final format and how the maps will be presented.
Now, we are already moving forward with a PDF with the "Player Maps" which is, at this point, intended to be a free download. It would be a simple matter to create another downloadable PDF for "GM Maps". So we'll see.
What I would like to ask is how folks would like to see the maps done in the final product.
A) Inserted into the pertinent area of the adventure.
B) Compiled in the back of the volume.
C) Both
D) Map Dictator - NO MAPS FOR YOU!
E) Other
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A) Inserted into the pertinent area of the adventure.
B) Compiled in the back of the volume.
C) Both
D) Map Dictator - NO MAPS FOR YOU!
E) Other
C & E
Always like them with the area of the adventure, but liked them compiled as well.
That said, E would be I would like many of them re-done to deemphasize the shading of the grid. Many of the maps the Grid shade so closely matches the Map Drawing Shade it is hard to distinguished them, at least on PDF, I do not yet have a physical product to tell if it is the same.
My vote is "C", too.
C as well.
And I agree with Dragnmoon - some are hard to discern where there are walls vs grid lines.
As I have said before it's not possible to do it that way because of the format that we get the maps in. We are compiling a Player Maps download (free) that will have the maps stripped of the numbers.
C, definitely. :)
C. And please make them layered so I can eliminate the numbers and letters and secret doors and don't have to photoshop them out myself. I HATE doing that.
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We are compiling a Player Maps download (free) that will have the maps stripped of the numbers.
Will this Player's Map also be stripped of secret areas as well?
Nothing screams "secret door" to a player than a dead-end hallway with a room behind it plainly visible on "their" map...
Oh, and my vote would be for "C" as well...
I vote for C. But whatever form it takes will be fine.
As the time approaches to start putting together the massive Slumbering Tsar Saga more and more people are asking about the final format and how the maps will be presented.
Now, we are already moving forward with a PDF with the "Player Maps" which is, at this point, intended to be a free download. It would be a simple matter to create another downloadable PDF for "GM Maps". So we'll see.
What I would like to ask is how folks would like to see the maps done in the final product.
A) Inserted into the pertinent area of the adventure.
B) Compiled in the back of the volume.
C) Both
D) Map Dictator - NO MAPS FOR YOU!
E) Other
The jester in my wants to say, "D, just give us text boxes describing each room and let the PLAYERS draw the map," but my real vote is for C.
A big vote from me for the separate PDF of "Player Maps" (with secret doors and secret areas removed) and a separate PDF of GM Maps (with all the goodies shown).
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Guys - I can't layer the final print product! ;)
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Can we have player-friendly maps in the back/seperate pdf and the keyed maps in the book?
My choice is C as well.
I know you said you can't layer the final product, but I hope if you do go down the C route, you are able to find a solution in not showing the secret doors/rooms on the player maps as it does sort of defeat the purpose in being player maps if they are shown.
Option C
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I worked on "Player-ifying" the maps for the first three books and I can tell you that I removed areas that screamed "secret door". Three's one that was tricky as it leaves an obvious void. but I did my best with those.
I believe that Greg is working with our cartographer (Robert Altbauer) to do the same with the rest of the Player Maps.
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This is awesome news! Purchasing the subscription when Frog god went live was a great investment, perhaps one of the best I've made in the last couple of years, and the player's maps will add even more value.
We are currently working on a Player Maps download for all. I'm not sure how it will be distributed but Greg has said that we have no intention of adding to the cost.
The trend that I'm starting to see (and I personally agree with) is for the DM Maps to be located where they belong in the adventure and for the back of the book to have compiled Player Maps.
It would be a simple thing to also make a GM Maps PDF booklet available along with the Player Maps PDF booklet that folks would be able to download and print out or share with their players as they see fit.
Also, for the more low-tech or ink-starved among us, the Player Maps in the back and the stitch-binding will allow for easy photocopying with very limited damage (if any) to the integrity of the book.
If you own a copy of Tome of Horrors Complete, please attest to the awesomeness of the bindings FGG pays for. <grin>
I'll stick my money on C. One of the things that really put me off WotC's later adventures was having half the info for an encounter in one place, then the rest somewhere else in the book, so I think the maps should be with the rest of the encounter for easy reference, while having a separate maps section or handout makes said maps easier to use/copy/etc for actual play. Handout rather than separate books section is probably best because that helps eliminate page flipping in what looks to be one large book.
+1 dm maps in the book, player maps in the back.
I would like a seperate booklet in a flap pocket on the inside of the back cover, but option C would also work (the seperate book of maps for the RAR box set was great).
A really cheap and easy way to create your own flap pocket on the inside cover is to use a paper grocery bag to make a book cover. This serves the dual purpose of protecting your beautiful book AND providing a flap to hold the map booklet that you will be making from the Map booklet PDFs.
This is what I did to hold/preserve the map that came with The Black Monastery.
I vote for A. I never quite understood the need for maps in two places. With the area they pertain to makes sense to me.
I am saddened by the lack of support for my papier-mâché model suggestion. :(
I fully support it and would even contribute 1,000 cents towards its development!
The trend that I'm starting to see (and I personally agree with) is for the DM Maps to be located where they belong in the adventure and for the back of the book to have compiled Player Maps.
Sounds good.
It would be a simple thing to also make a GM Maps PDF booklet available along with the Player Maps PDF booklet that folks would be able to download and print out or share with their players as they see fit.
I would really like both PDFs. Having the maps in the adventure as well as compiled addresses two different jobs, and as such is mega-useful.
Also, for the more low-tech or ink-starved among us, the Player Maps in the back and the stitch-binding will allow for easy photocopying with very limited damage (if any) to the integrity of the book.
If you own a copy of Tome of Horrors Complete, please attest to the awesomeness of the bindings FGG pays for. <grin>
Awesomesauce.
Thank you!
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I vote for A. I never quite understood the need for maps in two places. With the area they pertain to makes sense to me.
I think that it makes sense if they are GM Maps in the adventure and Player Maps compiled at the end of the book, in my humble opinion.
My vote is C.
Ditto, C is best. I really love what Paizo's done with their interactive maps, and this sound about the same, just in two separate files :)
Having nabbed the full subscription, I'd say spoilerific DM maps in the adventure, player-safe maps compiled in the back, C. Cheers!
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We are currently working on a Player Maps download for all. I'm not sure how it will be distributed but Greg has said that we have no intention of adding to the cost.
Is there any word on this download yet? I'm itching to get some of the PC friendly maps to my table without having to leave my book out.
We are currently working on a Player Maps download for all. I'm not sure how it will be distributed but Greg has said that we have no intention of adding to the cost.Is there any word on this download yet? I'm itching to get some of the PC friendly maps to my table without having to leave my book out.
The Bytes Interactive A+ Downloads person was still on vacation last I heard. The player maps, already in the hardcover book, will be included along with the remainder of The Slumbering Tsar Saga (with the exception of the bonus chapter). If you ordered from Paizo, I believe the pdf will be available from them some time afterwards, but they would know better than I.