I had a player show up recently with the following (seemingly broken) build, but there has be something wrong with this one that I missed - it was early. I am also admittedly not as up on my Gunslinger rules as I should be. Please help me break down what is incorrect about this build. RAW answers only.
Human Gunslinger (Musket Master), Level 4
+1 Double Hackbut as the primary weapon, using primarily Alchemical Ammunition
Feats: Point Blank, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Rapid Reload
With the Rapid Reload, alchemical ammo and the Fast Musket deed at 3rd level, reloading is reduced from a full-round action per barrel to a FREE ACTION.
With Rapid Shot, that's two attacks per round doing 2d12 damage and hitting TOUCH AC within 50'.
The description of the hackbut clearly states that it is on a two-wheeled carriage. There is no indication given of whether or not it can be set up early and pulled along like a little red wagon weapons platform, nor whether or not it would slow or inconvenience its wielder in any way if moved in this manner (it only weighs 18 pounds - not that hard to pick up and set down somewhere else). Does the assembled weapon occupy the same space or take up its own 5' square on the battlegrid? What is to prevent a PC from pre-assembling this and popping it into and out of a bag of holding to get around the full-round action set up time?
With 4d12 damage to touch AC every round at 4th level, not much of anyone else gets to participate other than to heal and soak up damage for the gunslinger. I know there has to be some key thing that I'm missing (other than GM fiat - please let everyone at the table play), but I am too tired to find it now. Help from those with many levels in Rules Lawyer is much appreciated.
Double Hackbut
Took that word for word from UC. The Double Hackbut is a broken weapon, but according to the wording of the weapon, it seems to me that it can be moved around easy in non-difficult terrain. It does take up the same square as the player. In fact, I just had a discussion about this last night, because the Gunslinger I use has this weapon, and because of his level gets 3 shots per round. Now, the character would have to have Rapid Reload (Double Hackbut) as per the wording of the Feat. My version of the same character type has Rapid Reload (Musket) and Rapid Reload (Double Hackbut) because of this.
Do you have a breakdown of how a 4th level character earned enough gold from between 9 and 11 chronicles to afford a 4000 gp weapon and have the gold to make it masterwork and enchant it to +1 and afford the alchemical ammunition that he seems to be going through like crazy and have gold left over for anything else? Remember that a Musket Master starts play with a normal, battered musket and not any two-handed firearm they choose. Also, even though the cost of a musket is 1500 gold, per the Additional Resources, the starting weapon can only be sold for 22 gold, not half value.
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As John states above, the musket master gets rapid reload (muskets) as his bonus feat; he must get rapid reload (double hackbut) separately. If he has those, as well as point blank shot, precise shot, and rapid shot, he has one feat too many.
At 4th level I imagine his total wealth will be around 7000 gp. His +1 double hackbut will have cost him 6300gp, plus there's the amount he's spent on ammo. He can't have much else...
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It's 1.2 gp per shot if the gunslinger has 1 rank in craft alchemy I believe.
Using bullets and black powder, it's 1.1gp. But the OP said he was using alchemical cartridges, which are 50% of the normal cost when using the gunsmithing feat, so 6gp per paper cartridge.
9 scenarios, at a very conservative 12 shots per scenario, will have cost him 648gp, assuming he's only used alchemical cartridges. Add on the 6300gp for his gun, 15gp for a gunsmith's kit, and he's only got 37gp left for everything else.
Well, he would not have been using the gun for all of his scenarios, since at a 4000 gold cost, the player may have been able to afford it somewhere during 3rd level. Of course, all this also means the player spent practically nothing for several levels to save up for the gun.
As John states above, the musket master gets rapid reload (muskets) as his bonus feat; he must get rapid reload (double hackbut) separately. If he has those, as well as point blank shot, precise shot, and rapid shot, he has one feat too many.
At 4th level I imagine his total wealth will be around 7000 gp. His +1 double hackbut will have cost him 6300gp, plus there's the amount he's spent on ammo. He can't have much else...
Paz,
You bring up a good point about getting RR(DH) for his character. I know he's been playing in adventures that are above his tier to get as much GP as he could. He did not have all his chronicle sheets with him, so next time he comes to a PFS session, I'm going to audit his sheets to make sure all the gold and items match up.
Enehvar, the real question wouldn't be how he could afford it, but does he have enough fame to purchase said weapon. Because at level 4, he should have between 18 and 24 fame, 18-20 fame would not be enough to spend if I'm doing my math correctly, 6300 gold on a weapon. That's the other problem. He would have to have been going into his third (fifth if slow advancement) scenario at level 4 to have been able to purchase that weapon.
John,
Non-magical equipment from a legal source book is Always Available, as is a +1 enhancement bonus, so as long as there is enough gold to pay, the total Fame does not matter.
John,
Non-magical equipment from a legal source book is Always Available, as is a +1 enhancement bonus, so as long as there is enough gold to pay, the total Fame does not matter.
Misread the rule in Character Creation Guide, that should tell you how often as a GM I run into someone trying to make that type of purchase.
Not a problem. I have done that too, from not reading something or reading it incorrectly. :)
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You bring up a good point about getting RR(DH) for his character. I know he's been playing in adventures that are above his tier to get as much GP as he could. He did not have all his chronicle sheets with him, so next time he comes to a PFS session, I'm going to audit his sheets to make sure all the gold and items match up.
Always a good plan. After reading through this thread I too am curious as to how his purchases were purchased.
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The Double Hackbutt, but not double pistol, is outlawed in society. They did so shortly before Paizo Con last year.
Money isn't a real problem for gunslingers in PFS. I have a lvl 8 pistolero who'd been using alchemical charges since lvl 1. Sure it's six gold a shot, but at low levels I'd fire only 6-10 times a scenario. The most has been 25-30 which was recently.
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Check here: Additional Resources. Under Equipment in Ultimate Combat it states "The double hackbut and culvern on Table 3-4 and advanced firearms on Table 3-5 are not permitted in Pathfidner Society Organzised Play"