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I sure would like more Axiomites, Inevitables, and lawful neutral outsiders! Please give the lawful neutral alignment some love!


More types of Nagas, particularly the missing alignments that haven't had yet.

More creature servants/creations from serpentfolk.

Some fairytale style creatures like a fey/magical beast similiar to puss and boots, a fey like Rumplestiltskin were it makes strange contracts/deals that can be broken by strange means, or a curse that turns someone in a monstrous humaniod type "beast".

Guivre-serpent dragon that is has poisonous breath and poisons water that it likes in, likes to live in wells and small bodies of water, I like to have it at CR6-8 range.

More creatures from the planes of law and chaos and not just outsiders.

More creatures from the elemental planes both elementals and non-elementals.

More servants and related creatures for genies.

More creatures from egyptian, australian, japanese, african, north/south american, and polynessian myths.

Some more creatures from the bible would be interesting.

More types of gremlins and sprites, as well as some large or larger size fey, at least one CR20 fey.

Grand Lodge

I want to see more abominations converted over, like Hecatoncheires was. There's many others that are really good to have, and I'd like to see available. With the Reign of Winter series coming out, this would be the PERFECT opportunity to convert Xixecal over. It is, after all, the very embodiment of winter.


err...Hecatoncheires are in Bestiary 3


That's what he said, bruddah.


reading comprehension for the win!

I would really like to see the Atropal and Umbral blot done up Pathfinder style


God, reading through the old Epic Level Handbook, there's a lot I want too. Specifically, Primal Elementals and Colossi combined to make something akin to the Elemental Titans from Disney's Hercules. Ha-Naga would be awesome as well, since I love nagas as villains. A hagunemnon as a protean lord would be amazing. Those things are some of the coolest villains. Brachyurus is a cool "father of all canines" but the name is kind of awkward to say. I like the idea of a mythic predator that's essentially the progenitor of all predators. Sirrush is cool and I could kinda see it fitting the above role. As for the CR 20+ animals (like the Tayellah), I could see them somewhere not on the material plane. Maybe like the First World.

Also, the Legendary and Psuedonatural templates would be good to see again. And of course, what people said up there ^^ No Prismasaur... was kind of lame, not going to lie.


Odraude wrote:
Also, the Legendary and Psuedonatural templates would be good to see again. And of course, what people said up there ^^ No Prismasaur... was kind of lame, not going to lie.

Lame, and a pain to deal with since you're subject to a Prismatic Spray effect every round.


JiCi wrote:
Odraude wrote:
Also, the Legendary and Psuedonatural templates would be good to see again. And of course, what people said up there ^^ No Prismasaur... was kind of lame, not going to lie.
Lame, and a pain to deal with since you're subject to a Prismatic Spray effect every round.

Yeah... it's definitely a pain. It's definitely one of the misses that was in that Monster Manual, along with the Force Dragon. Didn't really scream "awesome and epic" to me.


Odraude wrote:
JiCi wrote:
Odraude wrote:
Also, the Legendary and Psuedonatural templates would be good to see again. And of course, what people said up there ^^ No Prismasaur... was kind of lame, not going to lie.
Lame, and a pain to deal with since you're subject to a Prismatic Spray effect every round.
Yeah... it's definitely a pain. It's definitely one of the misses that was in that Monster Manual, along with the Force Dragon. Didn't really scream "awesome and epic" to me.

Well, the thing is that every round, the PCs have to save for one or two colors, and some can kill you outright. You needed a Deeper Darkness spell or whatever to block the light from refracting on the Prismasaurus, provided you could make the darkness large enough.

The Force Dragon had its issues too: invisible and displaced. It was almost a mircle that it wasn't immune to damage, being made of force.

Y'know, bringing up the epic creatures, some would be nice to get, like the Xixecal, the Anaxim and the Infernal. The colossi would be nice... minus their antimagic field; seriously, they ALREADY have magic immunity, so was it necessary to add that on top? The primal elementals would be awesome, provided that they also add the monoliths (basically, the Gargantuan versions of elementals).

Grand Lodge

MMCJawa wrote:

reading comprehension for the win!

I would really like to see the Atropal and Umbral blot done up Pathfinder style

Umbral Blot was technically revised, albeit not that greatly, in Coliseum Morpheuon.


I would love to have the prismatic and force dragons, with that being said I really disliked most of the creatures in the epic handbook. There were a few I liked but since I got rid of that book years ago, I don't remember all the creatures that were in it.

Grand Lodge

If we're bringing up creatures from the epic book, that's also open source, I'd like to see the Gloom, all of the different Devastation Vermin, the Hoary Hunter and the Hoary Steed (we need more powerful fey), the Thorciasid, and the Winterwight (perfect for ice and snow campaigns).

Shadow Lodge

I think Paizo has already done a non-epic version of the winter wight. Bestiary 2, IIRC. Hopefully, after the Mythic rules come out, we can get most of the ELH monsters from the SRD put into the next Bestiary.


Dragon78 wrote:
I would love to have the prismatic and force dragons, with that being said I really disliked most of the creatures in the epic handbook. There were a few I liked but since I got rid of that book years ago, I don't remember all the creatures that were in it.

If they get better art, I'd be down for it. I think it was the art that honestly bothered me. That and I guess I just don't see what makes "force" epic or even an element, like the other dragons. I guess I feel the same way in other fantasy media, where you have the four elements but then some oddball in there that doesn't seem to fit, like gravity or time.

But, if done well, I'd accept them. At the very least, better art. The force dragon looked someone took a gray dragon and turned the opacity to 50%. And the prismatic dragon looks like something from She-Ra ;)


Kthulhu wrote:
I think Paizo has already done a non-epic version of the winter wight. Bestiary 2, IIRC. Hopefully, after the Mythic rules come out, we can get most of the ELH monsters from the SRD put into the next Bestiary.

Yeah it's in the Bestiary 2. CR 17 now instead of CR 23. About half of the monsters (maybe closer to 40%) are reprinted in the Bestiary 2 and 3. Yay OGL!

Shadow Lodge

After the Mythic book, I'd like to see them finish off all the SRD monsters at some point. With the obvious exception of the monsters from the psionic section, which hopefully Dreamscarred converts 100%.


Kthulhu wrote:
After the Mythic book, I'd like to see them finish off all the SRD monsters at some point. With the obvious exception of the monsters from the psionic section, which hopefully Dreamscarred converts 100%.

ARROWHAWKS!!!! :D


Odraude wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
I would love to have the prismatic and force dragons, with that being said I really disliked most of the creatures in the epic handbook. There were a few I liked but since I got rid of that book years ago, I don't remember all the creatures that were in it.

If they get better art, I'd be down for it. I think it was the art that honestly bothered me. That and I guess I just don't see what makes "force" epic or even an element, like the other dragons. I guess I feel the same way in other fantasy media, where you have the four elements but then some oddball in there that doesn't seem to fit, like gravity or time.

But, if done well, I'd accept them. At the very least, better art. The force dragon looked someone took a gray dragon and turned the opacity to 50%. And the prismatic dragon looks like something from She-Ra ;)

A lot of that is how I felt. For an epic bestiary...I didn't feel that many of the monsters were really that epic. They didn't really didn't match in my mind the sort of "epic-ness" of say, fighting a Kaiju or a demon lord.

It's like...how many players are going to say "well now that I am powerful enough, we can finally fight that rainbow shooting iguanodont we have always dreamed of facing!"


Infernals were interesting, but I'd like to see some new fluff behind them. Idk.


I hope one day Paizo does add some of those psionic monsters in there bestiary particularly the thought eater and brain mole.

I would also like to get the Arrow hawk, the ravid, and whatever else is left in the 3.5 monster manual they can legally use.

I remember in the epic hand book there was a type of monster that was a divine mistake, Abominations?, I really liked those.


Yeah Abominations. Like the Infernal, the Chichimec, Phane, etc.


Looking through the web for artwork, I found this for the Phane

Linky

Looks pretty neat.

I think for epic monsters, I always felt that to be truly epic, they'd either have to be an incredibly powerful, incredibly intelligent Medium+ creature, or an incredibly powerful, massive creature (Gargantuan+). But either way, rare enough to still be considered epic. I mean, if there are countless of them and they are epic, what's stopping them from ruling the whole universe? :)


I would like some shadow beast(magical beast) and other non-humaniod shaped and non-undead from the plane of shadow.

A creature that drains the energy from constructs and undead giving them something similiar to negative levels.

Swanmay would be interesting as a 0HD player race.

A turtle based 0HD player race would be nice.

Swarms for other creature types other then animals and vermin particularly elementals, constructs, fey, and aberations.

A creature that is very good at eating swarms.

A natural predator for oozes.

Giant versions of sea horses, starfish, foxes, daddy long legs, earwigs, termites, moths, snails, cuttlefish, sea cucumbers, moles, conchs, and stink bugs

More non-fungus/mold based plant monsters.

More creatures based on starfish, owls, sea horses, weasels/mongooses, moles, butterfly/moths, snails, and foxes.


Dragon78 wrote:

I hope one day Paizo does add some of those psionic monsters in there bestiary particularly the thought eater and brain mole.

I would also like to get the Arrow hawk, the ravid, and whatever else is left in the 3.5 monster manual they can legally use.

I remember in the epic hand book there was a type of monster that was a divine mistake, Abominations?, I really liked those.

Might have to be refluffed though, given that the Asuras sort of fill the "mistakes from gods" category.


Sincubus wrote:

Also while the Crysmal and Intellect Devourer are used (+ Neothelid)

the

CALLER IN DARKNESS
CEREBRILITH
FOLUGUB BEETLE
PHTHISIC (the monster born from an insane mind)
UDOROOT
BRAIN MOLE
and
BLUE
THOUGHT EATER

aren't used yet, so my wish also goes for them, especially for Caller in Darkness, Cerebrilith, Phithisic and Blue.

You know Dreamscared Press has all of these stated in their Psionics Unleashed Book, right?

Grand Lodge

I'd like to see Paizo's version of the shadow dragon.


kevin_video wrote:
I'd like to see Paizo's version of the shadow dragon.

Wouldn't that be the Umbral Dragon in Bestiary 2?


that would be the Umbral Dragon, in Bestiary 2

Grand Lodge

Odraude wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
I'd like to see Paizo's version of the shadow dragon.
Wouldn't that be the Umbral Dragon in Bestiary 2?

Okay, let me rephrase that. I'd like to see a creature done by Paizo that has a breath weapon ever 1d4 rounds that does negative levels, and has negative energy effects that do heal undead when they're caught in the crossfire.


Then what you want is a dragon from the negative energy plane and as long as we get it's positive energy plane counterpart I will be happy.

I would like Paizo's version of those monsters from the psionic book.

Tiny dragon familiars
-one with a wyvern/drake body shape and breaths fire.
-one with a imperial dragon's body shape with some spell powers.
-one with a Linnorm style body shape and is poisonous.
-one with a standard dragon body type and is purple.

Improved/new types of Homunculi.

Playable 0HD races that are fey, monstrous humaniod, and aberation creature types.


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Positive and negative energy elementals.


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Animals I would like to see used for new types of Agathions.
-Wolf
-Bear
-Rabbit
-Owl
-Dolphin
-Deer
-Turtle
-Kangaroo
-Frog
-Pig
-Cow
-Rooster
-Badger
-Snail
-Octopus
-Gold Fish
-Gecko
-Whale
-Walrus
-Lemure

More types of Giant/monstrous frogs and toads.


Eryx_UK wrote:
Positive and negative energy elementals.

I'd like that a lot ^^. I actually don't like the jyoti or sceaduinar all that much so I would enjoy some replacements.

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Odraude wrote:
Eryx_UK wrote:
Positive and negative energy elementals.
I'd like that a lot ^^. I actually don't like the jyoti or sceaduinar all that much so I would enjoy some replacements.

The Positive / Negative Energy Planes are woefully untraveled as it is, and for fairly good reason. Those planes are arguably the most inhospitable planes in all of reality; its very possible that its neigh impossible for things to live there.

I'd prefer that those planes stay as underpopulated as possible, if only to add to the wonder that what few creatures that thrive there CAN actually thrive there. But that's just my preference.

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Dragon78 wrote:

Animals I would like to see used for new types of Agathions.

-Wolf
-Bear
-Rabbit
-Owl
-Dolphin
-Deer
-Turtle
-Kangaroo
-Frog
-Pig
-Cow
-Rooster
-Badger
-Snail
-Octopus
-Gold Fish
-Gecko
-Whale
-Walrus
-Lemure

More types of Giant/monstrous frogs and toads.

Some of those seem easier to do than others. I feel like thematically, the octopus can be hard because tentacles are very much associated with creepy crawly Lovecraftian nasties. The farm animals are another one that seem sort of off; what noble person is going to identify with a pig or a cow in their afterlife?

I feel like wolf and bear are no-brainers for new agathions, as is the badger. If you renamed 'gold fish' to 'koi,' you'd sell me on that one too.


I would really like to see some more original magical beasts. Part of the reason why things like the Owlbear and Bulette are still talked today about is because they came out of left field and surprised everyone in their time. Stuff like eel-weasals, elephants with three heads, and telekinetic goats would really stand out in a new book and could have some very fun lore crafted about them.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Odraude wrote:
Eryx_UK wrote:
Positive and negative energy elementals.
I'd like that a lot ^^. I actually don't like the jyoti or sceaduinar all that much so I would enjoy some replacements.

The Positive / Negative Energy Planes are woefully untraveled as it is, and for fairly good reason. Those planes are arguably the most inhospitable planes in all of reality; its very possible that its neigh impossible for things to live there.

I'd prefer that those planes stay as underpopulated as possible, if only to add to the wonder that what few creatures that thrive there CAN actually thrive there. But that's just my preference.

True. I never liked the fact that you could die from too much positive energy. Seemed so silly of a concept.

Grand Lodge

I'd like to see more templates. Likes ones that can combine creatures together. Essentially make your own chimera or centaur. Think the Tauric creature from Savage Species.


I'm a-okay with more templates. The Advanced Bestiary gets a lot of love in the games I run.


I also want more unique magical beasts, the only way to get them is to ignore the overused animals such as snakes, spiders and cats and dig into another animal book, the one with anteaters, cranes, mantis and okapi in it.

Look at Bulette, its made from shark and armadillo and is made because he had this little toy (which was inside a dinosaur toy packed) he didn't know what dinosaur it was meant to be, just like the rust monster, I had these toys too, they were really strange and no one knew which dinosaurs they were ever.

Maybe some inspiration taken from toys, pokemon and other stuff can help, I know they are childisch but some toys can give you inspiration beyond.

I really like the Phane, but because D&D 4th edition made such a big deal of the creature now I think Paizo doesn't want to touch it anymore, same with Atropal.

But the picture in the Monster Manual 1 of the phane is really strange, but this new picture Odraude found is really cool, its much better to understand as the other picture is a bit chaotic, they remind me on the Cheetaur from Quest for Glory 1.

Cheetaur


I for one want more creatures from the positive energy plane. It is very lame to have a "plane of life" with only one or two inhabbitants.

I would like some more "tauric" creatures.

Well "noble" poor people would relate to pigs and cows.

Anyone who uses the chinese zodiac in there world wouldn't mind the uses of pigs and roosters.


I could go for more kami. First I found them somewhat odd, but when you remove the Japanese flavor, which really only is in the images and names, the Jinushigami, Kodama, and Toshigami work as genric spirits of the land or spiritworld beings very well. Unfortunately, only two of them are under CR 10. I would like some more in the 3 to 8 range.

Shadow Lodge

Odraude wrote:
True. I never liked the fact that you could die from too much positive energy. Seemed so silly of a concept.

It's kind of like pumping air into a balloon. Too much, and it bursts.


Well Kami wise we have...
Dosojin CR7
Fukujin CR3
Kaminari CR17
Suijin CR14
Jinushigami CR20
Kodama CR5
Shikigami CR2
Toshigami CR15
Zuishin CR10
It looks like we 4 bellow CR10

I myself would like more Kami as well, I would like to see CRs that haven't been used such as 1,4,6,8,9,etc.

Never liked the "killed by to much positive energy thing" but yes it is like being a ballon and then something bad happens.


Kthulhu wrote:
Odraude wrote:
True. I never liked the fact that you could die from too much positive energy. Seemed so silly of a concept.
It's kind of like pumping air into a balloon. Too much, and it bursts.

I once played with someone in 3.5 who was an extremely efficient optimized healer. This was actually his preferred way of killing enemies. He also had a habit of turning stone walls to flesh and causing them to burst with positive energy so that he could escape through them.

I too would like to see more kami. I think a scroll kami, or some sort of rock kami could be fun for low CR, but a thunder and lightning kami might be fun for higher level play.

Since there are so many dinosaurs and megafauna, it could be interesting to introduce giant sea scorpions or nautiloids from the cambrian age.

At the top of my personal wishlist, I want to see new and variant Kytons. Everything about them is so metal, pun fully intended.


Eurypterid (giant sea scorpion)in many variations is already in the Adventure Paths.

I would really like more non-humanoid/golem constructs. (not robots)

More fey that aren't small and all humanoid. (buggane and co)

More non humanoid undead.

More oozes that are special and unique, less acid & Co.

More non-tree plants, more flower creatures.

More non-excisting vermin such as the Cave Fishers are.

And I totally ADORE the way too much positive energy can kill you, its like your heart can't keep up with you. I see it much the way a creature can be killed that absorbs too much information at once so it mind can't keep up and pops.

More EVIL/NEUTRAL positive and negative energy denizens would be on my wishlist as wel, don't care for good creatures.


I also like the idea of the nautiliods from the cambrian age as well as the modern nautilus.

More flower based plant creatures as well as giant sundews and giant pitcher plants.

The Kaminari is already a kami of thunder and lightning.


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Dragon78 wrote:

I also like the idea of the nautiliods from the cambrian age as well as the modern nautilus.

More flower based plant creatures as well as giant sundews and giant pitcher plants.

The Kaminari is already a kami of thunder and lightning.

That'd be so cool! We have dinosaurs and megafauna. We should have creatures from the earliest years of the Earth that's still around. Is there a coelacanth in any of the bestiaries?

I suddenly really want creatures based on Kabutops and Omanyte :)

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