Richard Leonhart |
the FAQ said that if you are proficient with a bastard sword, that means in one hand. (as clerics of certain gods)
Thus I would believe that you can't transform a 2-handed weapon into a bastard sword as it is a one-handed weapon.
On the other side I can't really see the harm on changing this; transformative is pretty expensive.
Ninjaiguana |
As RAW, 'bastard sword' appears in the table of 'One-Handed Exotic Melee Weapons', so you can't turn a 2-handed weapon into a bastard sword with this weapon property.
You can turn a transformative longsword into a bastard sword and then wield it two-handed, though. I agree it's odd that you can't go the other way, but them's the breaks.
Atarlost |
As RAW, 'bastard sword' appears in the table of 'One-Handed Exotic Melee Weapons', so you can't turn a 2-handed weapon into a bastard sword with this weapon property.
You can turn a transformative longsword into a bastard sword and then wield it two-handed, though. I agree it's odd that you can't go the other way, but them's the breaks.
It also appears in the table for two handed martial weapons.
Ninjaiguana |
Ninjaiguana wrote:It also appears in the table for two handed martial weapons.As RAW, 'bastard sword' appears in the table of 'One-Handed Exotic Melee Weapons', so you can't turn a 2-handed weapon into a bastard sword with this weapon property.
You can turn a transformative longsword into a bastard sword and then wield it two-handed, though. I agree it's odd that you can't go the other way, but them's the breaks.
Does it? It doesn't on the PRD.
EDIT: Nor, indeed, in my copy of the core rulebook.
harmor |
A Bastard sword is a 2-handed Martial weapon. If you happen to have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it you can wield is as a 1-handed weapon.
The fact that you may have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it doesn't change the fact that its a 2-handed weapon, which the Transformative weapon property allows you to convert it into.
Agreed?
CrackedOzy |
A Bastard sword is a 2-handed Martial weapon. If you happen to have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it you can wield is as a 1-handed weapon.
The fact that you may have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it doesn't change the fact that its a 2-handed weapon, which the Transformative weapon property allows you to convert it into.
Agreed?
I would actually look at it the other way around, that a Bastard sword is a one-handed weapon that can be wielded in two hands by someone without proficiency.
Omelite |
A Bastard sword is a 2-handed Martial weapon. If you happen to have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it you can wield is as a 1-handed weapon.
The fact that you may have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it doesn't change the fact that its a 2-handed weapon, which the Transformative weapon property allows you to convert it into.
Agreed?
No. The rules are explicitly clear about this: the bastard sword IS a one-handed exotic weapon. It has the special quality that you may treat it as a martial weapon if you wield it two-handed.
Even when you use it as a martial weapon, you don't treat it as a two-handed weapon. You treat it as a one-handed weapon (which it is) that you are wielding two-handed.
Quote: "Due to its size, a bastard sword is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon."
"You can use it two-handed" is not equivalent to "this is a two-handed weapon." It's a one handed weapon, you can just treat it as a martial weapon if you wield it two-handed. The wording is not unclear. If you have martial proficiency and no exotic proficiency, you can still use it in one hand, you just take the -4 on attack rolls for nonproficiency.
Drejk |
Table presents the bastard sword as exotic one-handed weapon. Description gives us option of using "a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon". However using two-handed is not the same as being classified as two-handed weapon.
If you are player its up to your GM to decide if such transformation would be possible (personaly I would say yes you could transform two-handed weapon into bastard sword and use it one handed while having exotic weapon proficiency with it - exotic weapon proficiency is already serious price for using it one-handed). If you are GM, its up to you to decide. However, strictly by RAW (and I think that for PFS play as well) no.
seekerofshadowlight |
A Bastard sword is a 2-handed Martial weapon. If you happen to have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency for it you can wield is as a 1-handed weapon.
As the other have said you have this backward. It is a one handed weapon, that may be used without training as if it were a two handed weapon.
Jiggy RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
BitOBear |
From the text describing the Bastard Sword:
A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. You can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.
So you (anybody) can use a bastard sword two-handed (presuming you're proficient with two-handed weapons]), so by default it's a two handed weapon.
It can (only) be used one-handed with special [exotic] training.
By my reading two-handed martial weapons can transform into a bastard sword, and bastard sword can transform into two-handed martial weapons; but a bastard sword can _not_ transform into a one handed sword (such as longsword) or vice-versa. (because it's too heavy etc). No other reading makes sense IMHO.
I've noticed that it's been moved to "One-Handed Melee Weapons" in the PRD but this makes no sense given the text (and if you've ever picked one up in real life you'd likely agree it's two-handed by default).
blackbloodtroll |
Bastard Sword is an One-handed weapon.
It is always an One-handed weapon.
Feats treat it as an One-handed weapon.
Spells treat it as an One-handed weapon.
When you wield it in two hands, it is still an One-handed weapon.
Class abilities treat it as an One-handed weapon.
When determining what/how enchantments effect it, you do so as an One-handed weapon.
Traits treat it as an One-handed weapon.
Why?
The Bastard Sword is an One-handed weapon.
Kazaan |
Bastard swords are exotic 1-h weapons. With EWP, you can wield them proficiently in either one or two hands. In addition, if you have MWP but not EWP, you can wield it proficiently in two hands. Remember, proficiency is the key term in both martial weapon proficiency and exotic weapon proficiency; all they do is remove the -4 nonproficiency penalty. You can still wield a weapon you're not proficient with just as you can still make off-hand attacks with two-weapon fighting even lacking the proficiency/TWF feat, you just take penalties without the appropriate feats.
If you've ever wiggled your fingers and launched fireballs from your hand at a dragon IRL, it'd be easier to understand.
Malachi Silverclaw |
So you (anybody) can use a bastard sword two-handed (presuming you're proficient with two-handed weapons]), so by default it's a two handed weapon.
'Presuming you're proficient with two-handed weapons'? Where's that from?
If you can use a weapon two-handed, by default it's a two-handed weapon?
I've seen a lot of made-up rules about the bastard sword recently, but this one takes the biscuit!
Kazaan |
...but this one takes the biscuit!
Are... are you sure you spelled that last word correctly? It sounded differently in my mind.
Anyway, I think this might be a holdover mentality from 3.5 because they apparently had a FAQ or some officious comment stating that a 1-h weapon wielded in two hands is, for all practical purposes, a 2-h weapon. I guess it gets more HP and hardness because you're bracing it harder with two hands or something like that. But that's not how it works in Pathfinder... a 1-h weapon is always a 1-h weapon regardless of whether you have 1 hand on it or 100 hands on it. The ability to wield a weapon in two hands doesn't inherently make it a 2-h weapon. Even a dagger can be wielded in two hands... you just get no mechanical benefit from it.