Need Clarification on how to get Bardic Masterpieces


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Hello I have read many of these forums for different characters I have played over the years. This is my first time posting since I can't seem to find a definitive answer to my question.

In my current pathfinder campaign I am playing a negotiator bard. My GM is trying to state that because I chose the archetype Negotiator bard and give up versatile performance, that I cannot take bardic masterpieces. all because of this one line

Masterpiece: The bard gains a bardic masterpiece, as if he were giving up a feat to learn it. He must meet the masterpiece’s prerequisites, and the masterpiece must list ranks in a Perform skill that the bard has chosen with versatile performance as a prerequisite. This option can be selected multiple times.

I told him when you look up bardic masterpiece that it says you can give up a spell known or a feat and that the advanced versatile masterpiece choice is just a way for bards to get masterpieces without giving up a feat or spell known.

What is your guys take on this. Are Archetypes that give up versatile performance able to take bardic performances?


Yes there is no requirement for versatile performance in order to take masterpieces. In fact that versatile performance came after masterpieces iirc.


Yes, your bard should be able to get the masterpieces by sacrificing a feat or spell for it. Your GM is misreading the rules on this matter.


The place where that line comes from is for advanced versatile performances (located in, what, Blood of the Beast?). You can use it to gain a masterpiece in place of an additional versatile performance, which you normally can't do.

The normal way to get a masterpiece (from Ultimate Magic, where masterpieces originated) is to pay a feat or a spell known of the appropriate level.

Liberty's Edge

The versatile performance option for masterpieces was added YEARS after the fact. It doesn't replace the earlier 'feat or spell' options.

Your negotiator bard can't get masterpieces through versatile performance, but the other methods still work just fine.


Thanks guys I appreciate the help!

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