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Love the mini's thing- can't wait.

As an aside, I had to look at the PFS Pregen Guide today, after having seen the picture in the press release- I noticed that Kyra has changed handedness- is the pic in the press released flipped? Or does she switch hands to "present" her holy symbol?

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In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.


So what are you saying, Liz?

Is this a hint of what we could be receiving for minis? :D


Liz Courts wrote:

In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.

Wow, I'd never counted them up before. Impressive.


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Liz Courts wrote:

In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.

Wow, I'd never counted them up before. Impressive.

In the first campaign I ever ran, back in first edition, and then ported to 2e, I had my IMPORTANT NPCs (those with names at least) in a separate notebook from my maps. I had a CHAPTER devoted to dragons. I had over 60 NAMED dragons alone, and several pages of dragon stats for cannon fodder if I needed them.

Humanoids were in multiple chapters. Overall I had easily over 300 NAMED NPCs in that campaign.

In my current PF campaign that I am building off of that same world, I have already introduced two dozen new named PCs and I've barely gotten started. For random encounters I've already made or purchased over 40 minis just for the first three encounters and the introduction to the Lord in his palace. The Palace Ball I have coming up requires 30 minis just for that one scene. I've got about half of them done so far.

Overall, just this single campaign I estimate will need about 70 minis, many of which will be reused multiple times (guards, soldiers, peasants, royalty, bandits, workers.....)

I would love to see a module sold with "all the minis you need" but I'm guessing you're talking something like $300 or so to do that.


pres man wrote:


I guess I would ask, how much would you be willing to pay for all the miniatures needed to play an entire AP? Would $100+ be reasonable? Now let's say you could purchase a case of these random minis that were tied to the AP and get all the miniatures, wouldn't that be worth it?

If I got all the minis for the AP then it really isn't random. So $100 for 40-100+ mini's? Sure, as long as the paint style isn't all blobby.

If it's AP only but random then god no. That's even worse. Paying $100 to get tons of dupes I won't use and still need another $100 to buy that one ultr-rare Jann for AP encounter #96 and I'm still short 3 Gnolls, the mad wizard, and the Undead Ooze Contruct. Ugh.

If it's completely random they won't see a dime from me. Too expensive in the long run, too many dupes that have no trade value, and vastly overpriced secondary market minis that only collecting rich people will ever be able to see. Pass.

SJ

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Hobbun wrote:

So what are you saying, Liz?

Is this a hint of what we could be receiving for minis? :D

For Pathfinder Paper Minis, yes. :D


Sweet.

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brassbaboon wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:

LOL, the harsh reality is that right now the mini collection that I would spend real money for would be a collection of peasants, merchants, tradesmen and nobles all just doing normal non-combat stuff.

That's the biggest hole I have in my mini collection. And it's a pain to make that many minis when I also want to beef up some of my existing factions of combatants...

GIVE ME SOME BORING NORMAL PEOPLE!!!

Check this out.
Cool

I should have been more specific.

GIVE ME SOME BORING NORMAL PEOPLE CHEAP!

I've looked at the Reaper villagers and merchants, and I just can't justify spending $15 for three barmaids. Just not cost effective to spend $5 per mini for them.

Well, then try this. Barring that, I don't see how you'd ever really be happy with pewter figures. I mean, that's 12 figs for 26 bucks. That's a steal!

Yeah, that probably is a steal, but keep in mind in the last two months I've expanded my mini collection from about 150, to close to 1,500 and the average cost of those 1,350 minis I've added came out to be about twenty cents apiece. And these are high quality plastic minis including a lot of common D&D minis, 350 unpainted plastic minis I had to paint and 550 Mage Knight minis I bought for $60.

So my expectations on the cost of a mini are probably pretty skewed right now...

How in the <redacted> am I supposed to know that? Ha! :P

Do you own any pewter figures at all?


Liz Courts wrote:

In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.

We had a similar question on our forums when we announced the Pathfinder lIcensed metal figures. Someone asked if we would do a boxed set of all the figures needed to run an AP.

On a lark, Ed & I sat down and crunched numbers. Just to Run Kingmaker :the Stolen land required over 100 miniatures, and at projected MSRP would cost over $400.

And that's just one book of the AP.

And yes, I have that list if anybody needs it.

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Reaperbryan wrote:
Liz Courts wrote:

In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.

We had a similar question on our forums when we announced the Pathfinder lIcensed metal figures. Someone asked if we would do a boxed set of all the figures needed to run an AP.

On a lark, Ed & I sat down and crunched numbers. Just to Run Kingmaker :the Stolen land required over 100 miniatures, and at projected MSRP would cost over $400.

And that's just one book of the AP.

And yes, I have that list if anybody needs it.

Same! :D


Liz Courts wrote:
Reaperbryan wrote:
Liz Courts wrote:

In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.

We had a similar question on our forums when we announced the Pathfinder lIcensed metal figures. Someone asked if we would do a boxed set of all the figures needed to run an AP.

On a lark, Ed & I sat down and crunched numbers. Just to Run Kingmaker :the Stolen land required over 100 miniatures, and at projected MSRP would cost over $400.

And that's just one book of the AP.

And yes, I have that list if anybody needs it.

Same! :D

Does that strictly take into account maximum encounter size with a given enemy or is that the sum total of enemies? For example, if there are 18 spriggans in the AP, but the party never encounters more than, say, 4 at a time, does that count for 4 or 18?


Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P


Studpuffin wrote:


How in the <redacted> am I supposed to know that? Ha! :P

Do you own any pewter figures at all?

Yep. My first ever minis, bought back in 1980 or so, were Ral Partha minis, I bought a couple of wizards, a cleric, a bard (yes, a bard) a rogue (halfling, of course) and a couple of others, one was a ranger I think, but he's since lost whatever was in his hands, along with his hands, I'm afraid.

And I've got several Reaper minis I've bought over the years, particularly from the period before I started making my own minis. I still have one Reaper mini that I use as a PC mini because it fits the character so well I haven't felt any need to replace it with a more customized one.

So overall, I probably have about 30 or so metal miniatures of various types. Most of them cost me about $4 - $10 or so. Which, for me, is a lot to spend on a mini when I can spend that same money on a box of Sculpey clay and make minis until my fingers wear out.


bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P

It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.

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Karelzarath wrote:
Does that strictly take into account maximum encounter size with a given enemy or is that the sum total of enemies? For example, if there are 18 spriggans in the AP, but the party never encounters more than, say, 4 at a time, does that count for 4 or 18?

Don't know about Bryan's list, but mine are the "number encountered at a time". So, in your example above, 4 spriggans.


Karelzarath wrote:
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.

Touche. And thanks for the chuckle. :)

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Karelzarath wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.

"One singular joy"? Hehehe.

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brassbaboon wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:


How in the <redacted> am I supposed to know that? Ha! :P

Do you own any pewter figures at all?

Yep. My first ever minis, bought back in 1980 or so, were Ral Partha minis, I bought a couple of wizards, a cleric, a bard (yes, a bard) a rogue (halfling, of course) and a couple of others, one was a ranger I think, but he's since lost whatever was in his hands, along with his hands, I'm afraid.

And I've got several Reaper minis I've bought over the years, particularly from the period before I started making my own minis. I still have one Reaper mini that I use as a PC mini because it fits the character so well I haven't felt any need to replace it with a more customized one.

So overall, I probably have about 30 or so metal miniatures of various types. Most of them cost me about $4 - $10 or so. Which, for me, is a lot to spend on a mini when I can spend that same money on a box of Sculpey clay and make minis until my fingers wear out.

How do the clay figures hold up? Do you use that stuff that stays soft, or do you do the quick molds with Green Stuff?


Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:


How in the <redacted> am I supposed to know that? Ha! :P

Do you own any pewter figures at all?

Yep. My first ever minis, bought back in 1980 or so, were Ral Partha minis, I bought a couple of wizards, a cleric, a bard (yes, a bard) a rogue (halfling, of course) and a couple of others, one was a ranger I think, but he's since lost whatever was in his hands, along with his hands, I'm afraid.

And I've got several Reaper minis I've bought over the years, particularly from the period before I started making my own minis. I still have one Reaper mini that I use as a PC mini because it fits the character so well I haven't felt any need to replace it with a more customized one.

So overall, I probably have about 30 or so metal miniatures of various types. Most of them cost me about $4 - $10 or so. Which, for me, is a lot to spend on a mini when I can spend that same money on a box of Sculpey clay and make minis until my fingers wear out.

How do the clay figures hold up? Do you use that stuff that stays soft, or do you do the quick molds with Green Stuff?

I started making minis with regular sculpey clay. You bake it to harden it. I made probably about a hundred or so minis, mostly goblins, kobolds, bandits, soldiers, etc. All just pure crap from a quality perspective, but I was just trying to avoid having little glass beads or pawns for my campaigns, and it is surprising how much better it is to use even crap minis than pennies or something. Just being able to say "I'm targeting the goblin with the huge left ear" is very nice.

After a year or so I decided I was having to glue back together too many of my minis, so I started using Super sculpey, which was better. I replaced a bunch of my first generation crap minis with a second generation of generally suck minis, but more appropriately sized, sturdier and included things like eyes, mouths and recognizable weapons. After about another year I got tired of even those breaking. Then I got some green stuff and started trying that out, but the cost of that stuff was just insane. So I started looking for alternatives and was directed to using epoxy putty that plumbers use. That was about six months ago I guess. Since then I've tried just about every sort of epoxy putty I could get my hands on, so I've got tubes of ProCreate, Apoxie sculpt, Plumbers putty (several varieties), epoxy mold making tubes... I probably have about eight different kinds of putty now.

Mostly I use the Apoxie because you get about fifty times more for the same price as ProCreate and a hundred times more than green stuff. It takes a long time to set and is real sticky in the meantime, but if you wait long enough, it works pretty well. And it hardens very strong.

About two months ago I decided to start making rubber molds and casting my own minis. So now if I happen to stumble about and somehow create something that isn't horribly embarrassing, I will make a mold and cast copies.

I've made about 300 minis this way now and I'm just starting. I've got a big box on my desk full of minis ready to paint, and I've got another box just as big with broken minis, weapons, shields, heads, wings, etc.

I've also bought a whole bunch of animals, bugs, birds and dinosaurs and I've been cutting them up and making new creatures. My gatorsaurs are pretty cool.

Anyway, I've sort of caught the bug now and my desk is full of a bunch of glow-in-the-dark spiders I bought for $1.95 for a dozen and I'm putting them on bases and painting them. They end up looking as good as a D&D giant spider mini, or close enough not to matter.

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brassbaboon wrote:
They end up looking as good as a D&D giant spider mini, or close enough not to matter.

That's what ends up bugging me. The quality better be high if I'm going to spend money on a mini. D&D minis just stopped having the quality of anything better than those little green army men. :(


Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:
They end up looking as good as a D&D giant spider mini, or close enough not to matter.
That's what ends up bugging me. The quality better be high if I'm going to spend money on a mini. D&D minis just stopped having the quality of anything better than those little green army men. :(

I've seen some pretty high quality little green army men. But I know what you mean. I think the minis I make are pretty decent quality when I try. I make minis for all of my PCs now so that I end up with exactly what I want. And unless I tell people I made it, they don't seem to notice. I get a lot of compliments on them. Plus I mix and match and create new minis from broken or cannibalized minis. I'm not proud, I just want minis.

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brassbaboon wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:
They end up looking as good as a D&D giant spider mini, or close enough not to matter.
That's what ends up bugging me. The quality better be high if I'm going to spend money on a mini. D&D minis just stopped having the quality of anything better than those little green army men. :(
I've seen some pretty high quality little green army men. But I know what you mean. I think the minis I make are pretty decent quality when I try. I make minis for all of my PCs now so that I end up with exactly what I want. And unless I tell people I made it, they don't seem to notice. I get a lot of compliments on them. Plus I mix and match and create new minis from broken or cannibalized minis. I'm not proud, I just want minis.

I've got mountains of plastic figs, and I'm only getting into the pewters now. They're actually all much higher quality than the plastic figs, and I'm sad that I never got into them before.


Studpuffin wrote:


I've got mountains of plastic figs, and I'm only getting into the pewters now. They're actually all much higher quality than the plastic figs, and I'm sad that I never got into them before.

I've seen lots of good minis in plastic and metal, and lots of sucky ones in both as well. Most of my early 80s metal minis are really pretty lame and don't stack up well aginst the D&D minis. Also many of the swords, spears and bows have long ago gone to the great pewter smelter in the sky. At least the D&D minis seem to handle abuse pretty well.

My biggest problem with the metal minis these days is that my GM tends to use the terrain packs from Wizards or other places and my heavy metal mini is always the one that causes the most trouble when he does anything with bridges or towers or anything that isn't flat on the battle mat.

I am probably a very rare mini buyer/maker/collector. I really have pretty easy to meet quality standards. Of course I like higher quality better than lower quality, but I'm not going to use a pastic pawn in place of a mini I have just because the sculpt is weak. It's still a mini.

My goal is to be able to have minis for all the important encounters that my players er... encounter. If my giant spiders are soft plastic instead of hard plastic and not terribly detailed, I'm not gonna sweat it. If someone says "Your gatorsaur is just an alligator head glued on a tiny t-rex body!" I'm not going to say "Oh, that pains me deeply." I'm going to say "Yeah, see, 'gator' and 'saur' see how it works?"

I'm just not that picky, and frankly I've found that neither are my players. They loved my bandits and my terrain last session, so I'm just gonna keep doing it.


Karelzarath wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.

Hey, who is up for some food dinner? We could meet somewhere, talk about the RPG game, eat some pasta noodles, and maybe have some gelato ice-cream. I'd just have to get some money from the ATM machine.

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Liz Courts wrote:
Hobbun wrote:

So what are you saying, Liz?

Is this a hint of what we could be receiving for minis? :D

For Pathfinder Paper Minis, yes. :D

Nice. :D


Studpuffin wrote:
I've got mountains of plastic figs, and I'm only getting into the pewters now. They're actually all much higher quality than the plastic figs, and I'm sad that I never got into them before.

Games Workshop is actually shifting to an all plastic range of their miniatures (and phasing out metal models) and they've (almost) always produced very high quality models.

If some of their latests releases are anything to go by, their new lines will also be highly customizable.
Biggest downside to GW models are, as it has always been, their price.
Obviously they're not pre-painted either.

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GentleGiant wrote:

Biggest downside to GW models are, as it has always been, their price.

Obviously they're not pre-painted either.

Very true, they were expensive to me 10 years ago. I don't want to even know what the prices are now.

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KaeYoss wrote:
Karelzarath wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.
Hey, who is up for some food dinner? We could meet somewhere, talk about the RPG game, eat some pasta noodles, and maybe have some gelato ice-cream. I'd just have to get some money from the ATM machine.

Don't forget your PIN number!


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Karelzarath wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.
Hey, who is up for some food dinner? We could meet somewhere, talk about the RPG game, eat some pasta noodles, and maybe have some gelato ice-cream. I'd just have to get some money from the ATM machine.
Don't forget your PIN number!

I'm going to have to report you to the department of redundancy department.


I use GW minis myself partially because ive played one form of warhammer or another for most of my life and partially because I love the quality of their minis and with the high quality plastics they make now and the customizatin capabilities especially with a big bits box around I will stick with it i think although pre painted is nice i hate painting them.


brassbaboon wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Karelzarath wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.
Hey, who is up for some food dinner? We could meet somewhere, talk about the RPG game, eat some pasta noodles, and maybe have some gelato ice-cream. I'd just have to get some money from the ATM machine.
Don't forget your PIN number!
I'm going to have to report you to the department of redundancy department.

I think I have a buddy friend that works there!


This is good news!

I play with miniatures as much as I play RPG style. I'm always on the lookout for painted miniatures and could be considered a collector. I cannot paint fast enough to build decent armies or get an encounter together for next week. I will definitely buy these. The picture in the press release shows a nicely painted sculpt.

I purchase both bare metal and pre-painted. Pre-painted is for the above stuff. Mass battles and rabble. I buy metal minis for my PCs and arch villains. That way I'm not spending my time painting the cannon fodder and can pay proper attention to the important pieces. :)

It makes me happy to hear that Paizo is making at least one run of pre-painted minis and this is not effecting the metal mini lines. Each has its place and supports different needs.

Thanks for doing this!

Groggie


brassbaboon wrote:


I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. The common denominator in every example you listed (GM, Ford, Peterbuilt, Rubber Maid) is that their product has a market in the tens or hundreds of millions of people.

WizKids and Paizo have a market that probably barely scratches one million. And of that the vast majority own maybe a set of dice, some cheap markers and a dozen or so highly prized miniatures............more stuff

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Actually yes it is true. And like i said, actually working in the business of plastics i have first hand knowledge of this and how it REALLY works. not just guesses on how i think it does or should work. And it's not like apples to supernovas AT ALL. It's more along the lines of comparing apples to apple pie to apple dumplings to caramel apples- which all revolve around apples not supernovas or blackholes. while you may think paizo has only a market base of 1 million your just guessing, if i were to guess it would be well over that considering the whole world and not just the US. Especially since paizo is well on there way to becoming number one at what they do! Additionally even though there pathfinder figures pathfinder players would not be the only customer base, a figure is a figure and can be used and bought by anyone that needs them-not just pathfinder RPG players. And those other companies i mentioned were examples, not actual companies i market too, that would be divulging intellectual property. But a lot of the companies we supply hardly break even a million units a year. And forty cents per unit is hardly what suppliers make off gm and other automotives. would you be surprised to know some parts are produced at cost around 20$ and sold for 900$? I think that shows how flawed your guessing is.

Now Mini figures are cheap and ofc your not going to make 900$ a figure, if i were to guess at today's cost of molding such a unit it would be around... actually i'm not going to say as i don't want paizo to second guess if there getting a good enough deal and scrap the idea lol.

Since i no longer work for them i can tell you this. i used to work for ohio art before they shipped to china, yes we made toys. And that's what minis are. you would be surprised how much mark-up you can actually make on tiny plastic thingies. 100%-1000% was not unheard of. even though it was a high mark up the profits were low, thats why you diversify and cater to as much customer base as you can. molding is cheap most costs are labor. If there made in china the labor is cheap. painting is the highest cost and i would not be surprised at all if wizkids figures are actually robotic painted and not chinese sweat shop workers ;)The figures you see with precisely detailed paint jobs are probably robotic painted. in the 90's we started implementing robotic painting and that was over 15 years ago,im sure they have become a lot more advanced and precise now.

As for finding minis everywhere- you can, you just have to know where to look ;)Wizards made a killing on minis in the beginning don't be fooled they didn't because they stopped making them. Actually they could STILL be making good money at it, they dont because of greed. They make more money off there other products, but that's not to say they wouldn't make a profit on minis still. they just stick to where they make the MOST money. The easiest way to make money is to listen to what customers want! Wizard just didn't listen or chose to focus where they made more dollars (making people scrap all there old products to buy all new stuff lol).

well thats all i got. i'm tired and not wishing to teach plastic molding 101:how to make money. I've got my own customer orders to read through and cater too. I know there's enough supply to make money off figures as my 3d printer is warming up for imaging to make a 12" three headed dragon and 20 spartan warriors. right after i print prototype sculpture for a dash assembly for a motorcycle company atm ;) I just wish i could afford an 80 ton injection molding machine as i have some space in my garage :D

to everyone who wants plastic mini boxes of X, the best of luck! i hope you all get what you want! I've gotten back into painting so i'm gearing up to order some reaper pewter figs and some of there plastic ones too to use in next weeks game.

cheers,


Anyone seen the latest Games Workshop Rip off..a wholesale shift from Metal to Plastic and you get to pay 16% more for the plastic figure than you did for the metal one..The Runelord of Avarice is obviously alive and well and living in Nottingham


RunebladeX wrote:
<... lots of stuff about the plastic industry that would indicate every miniature producer for the last 20 years had incompetent marketing and sales...>

Well, I guess you and I will have to disagree. Every single thing you are saying directly contradicts the actual history of the miniature market.

I will just repeat myself and say I hope Paizo and WizKids have something new up their sleeve, because none of the previous strategies have been successful for anything like a "long term" product life. And long term is what I want to see.


DM Wellard wrote:
Anyone seen the latest Games Workshop Rip off..a wholesale shift from Metal to Plastic and you get to pay 16% more for the plastic figure than you did for the metal one..The Runelord of Avarice is obviously alive and well and living in Nottingham

Actually, the shift to plastic (a resin/plastic mix actually) hasn't increased the cost of the miniatures. It's just bad information giving from GW. The shift has just been announced at the same time as they are doing a(n) (annual) price increase, something they've done for the last several years each June.

So the two actually have nothing to do with each other.

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GentleGiant wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:
Anyone seen the latest Games Workshop Rip off..a wholesale shift from Metal to Plastic and you get to pay 16% more for the plastic figure than you did for the metal one..The Runelord of Avarice is obviously alive and well and living in Nottingham

Actually, the shift to plastic (a resin/plastic mix actually) hasn't increased the cost of the miniatures. It's just bad information giving from GW. The shift has just been announced at the same time as they are doing a(n) (annual) price increase, something they've done for the last several years each June.

So the two actually have nothing to do with each other.

Heh, they have shifted to a material that costs less than pewter, while at the same time, 1) raising their prices and 2) moving to prevent gaming stores from shipping from the UK or europe, screwing over their Canadian and Australian fans (Aussies pay double what people in the UK pay, Canucks pay 30-35% more). Not very friendly.


Robert Hawkshaw wrote:

Heh, they have shifted to a material that costs less than pewter, while at the same time, 1) raising their prices and 2) moving to prevent gaming stores from shipping from the UK or europe, screwing over their Canadian and Australian fans (Aussies pay double what people in the UK pay, Canucks pay 30-35% more). Not very friendly.

Oh I agree, the prices are still ridiculously high and they have some draconic rules about what you can and can't do regarding selling their products (they'll just not supply you if you don't want to follow their rules, prices etc.). Just wanted to explaing that the two things didn't really have anything to do with each other. Now, they did have to make all new molds of the original greens, but still. GW have been slightly overpriced throughout pretty much their whole existance.


brassbaboon wrote:
RunebladeX wrote:
<... lots of stuff about the plastic industry that would indicate every miniature producer for the last 20 years had incompetent marketing and sales...>

Well, I guess you and I will have to disagree. Every single thing you are saying directly contradicts the actual history of the miniature market.

I will just repeat myself and say I hope Paizo and WizKids have something new up their sleeve, because none of the previous strategies have been successful for anything like a "long term" product life. And long term is what I want to see.

Methinks he also vastly overestimates the market size, based on a bunch of comments by folks actually in the industry...

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KaeYoss wrote:
Asgetrion wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:

This is the thread I was looking for.

YES! Oh man, SO stoked. Thanks for making this happen, Lisa, Erik, et al! I can't wait to hear and see more!

I thought I would never, EVER say this... but... I wholeheartedly echo the old treant's words! YES! I can't wait to hear and see more, either! Non-random prepainted minis that look as good as that preview of Kyra does, just for Pathfinder? Halfling rogues? Elven wizards? Orcs? Tengu? Froghemoth? Chelaxian half-fiend dwarves? (okay, got carried away with that last one)

By the Sacred Brimstone and Hellfire... once again my fervent prayers to Holy Asmodeus have been answered!

Haha! The first release after the starter tie-in will be "Protean Big Pack". Followed by demons. Followed by azatas. :P

BAH! Don't try to ruin my moment of triumph, you shameless turncoat! I know that Lisa or Vic wouldn't do that; it'll be dwarven pack (a half-fiend dwarven librarian included) first, followed by humans and elves. ;P


Liz Courts wrote:

In case people are interested...

A single AP volume can contain anywhere between roughly 40 to almost 150 enemies that might require a miniature for battlemat play. So far, I think Legacy of Fire's "The Impossible Eye" has the most encounters in it that I've found.
An entire AP has significantly more than that. The Kingmaker Adventure Path has over 600 possible minis required for it, and that's not even taking into account random encounters.

Ah, but if you were to provide the important Npcs and unique villains per volume as minis for the major encounters that would be a better compromise as the generic themed minis, peasants, nobility, bartenders and so forth, can be obtained from other sources!

I think this would be a solution to the numbers conundrum. We don't need 40 goblins on the mat at once, just a unique commander / villain that was in an AP set and 10 generic goblins from the other mini boxes available!

Scarab Sages

brassbaboon wrote:
My goal is to be able to have minis for all the important encounters that my players er... encounter. If my giant spiders are soft plastic instead of hard plastic and not terribly detailed, I'm not gonna sweat it. If someone says "Your gatorsaur is just an alligator head glued on a tiny t-rex body!" I'm not going to say "Oh, that pains me deeply." I'm going to say "Yeah, see, 'gator' and 'saur' see how it works?"

Please tell me you've made a starpanda.


Asgetrion wrote:


BAH! Don't try to ruin my moment of triumph, you shameless turncoat!

That's what I do.

Speaking of figures and such: I have a life-size model of that Dominatrix (or however you call that spoiled brat that plays being ruler of your literal Hellhole) coming up. Anatomically correct, made out of rubber, and blow-up. Proportions are all correct.

I'll have the mass-production up within the month. Want one? Chels get a discount! Everyone should really know their rulers! :D


Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:

LOL, the harsh reality is that right now the mini collection that I would spend real money for would be a collection of peasants, merchants, tradesmen and nobles all just doing normal non-combat stuff.

That's the biggest hole I have in my mini collection. And it's a pain to make that many minis when I also want to beef up some of my existing factions of combatants...

GIVE ME SOME BORING NORMAL PEOPLE!!!

Check this out.
Cool

I should have been more specific.

GIVE ME SOME BORING NORMAL PEOPLE CHEAP!

I've looked at the Reaper villagers and merchants, and I just can't justify spending $15 for three barmaids. Just not cost effective to spend $5 per mini for them.

Well, then try this. Barring that, I don't see how you'd ever really be happy with pewter figures. I mean, that's 12 figs for 26 bucks. That's a steal!

Sweet!


To everyone who knows the Wizkids figures:

If a guy wants to see Wizkids at their best (when it comes to fantasy figures, not that super hero stuff), what should I go look up and get?

I got a Whirlwind booster and they were not even close to that Kyra picture. I'd like to know whether that was because it's an older set where they were still have a run-up for their best shot (You have run-ups for shots, right), or if it's more that the master model of the figure looks so much better than the finished product.

Sczarni

KaeYoss wrote:

To everyone who knows the Wizkids figures:

If a guy wants to see Wizkids at their best (when it comes to fantasy figures, not that super hero stuff), what should I go look up and get?

I got a Whirlwind booster and they were not even close to that Kyra picture. I'd like to know whether that was because it's an older set where they were still have a run-up for their best shot (You have run-ups for shots, right), or if it's more that the master model of the figure looks so much better than the finished product.

Unfortunatly, Mageknight was shut down before Wizkids was bought by Topps, which as before Wizkids was bought out by NECCA. Since it is vastly different ownership, they are using different plastics and much higher quality now. I'm not aware of any fantasy minis that have actually come out since they were last bought out (there may be some fantasy themed minis in a few of the last heroclix sets such as Valkyrie, and there's an entire set about Thor that might have some other Norse inspired minis or something, but thats the best I can think of right now.

Edit: Here is a list of minis from the thor set with pictures. This site usually takes thier own pictures of the actual mini instead of using the master pictures released by the company


J. Christopher Harris wrote:
brassbaboon wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Karelzarath wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Never write "sum total" again. Please. I hurts my eyes. :P
It's my one singular joy in life. Please don't take it away from me.
Hey, who is up for some food dinner? We could meet somewhere, talk about the RPG game, eat some pasta noodles, and maybe have some gelato ice-cream. I'd just have to get some money from the ATM machine.
Don't forget your PIN number!
I'm going to have to report you to the department of redundancy department.
I think I have a buddy friend that works there!

Dohp! :P


KaeYoss wrote:
If a guy wants to see Wizkids at their best (when it comes to fantasy figures, not that super hero stuff), what should I go look up and get?

The last Mage Knight release was also their best set - Nexus. I purchased 2 cases of Nexus right after it was announced DDM was done and I've been very happy with the set. Besides the unique solonavi, my favorite pieces include Cursed Hag, Hooded Assassin, Krugg Headhunter, Nightfiend, and Paladin Priest.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

My contacts at WizKids suggested that we look at the newer Green Lantern HeroClix sets for a good gauge of the quality they will be able to match for the Pathfinder set.

I have seen those, and I think they are pretty cool.

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