So, about the Internal Alchemist...

[Sayer_of_Nay]

I notice that one of the feats it can take instead of a discovery is Extra Ki. That's all well and good, except they don't actually use any abilities that are powered by ki. So what is the point of this? Did I miss something?

[0gre]

For multi-classed monk/ alchemists?

I'm not sure, The internal alchemist seems like a very monkish discipline but I don't see a lot of multi-class synergy or crossover between the two...

Alchemist/ Ninja? Hmm, now I can see some crossover there, particularly when you consider you can have an internal/ vivisectionist alchemist...

I'm more curious about the breath holding ability; assuming you are holding your breath, does that make you immune to stinking cloud and most inhaled poisons?
Seems like as written you would just take a full round action once an hour when you know you are safe then just hold your breath the rest of the time.

[Brotato]

0gre wrote:

For multi-classed monk/ alchemists?

I'm not sure, The internal alchemist seems like a very monkish discipline but I don't see a lot of multi-class synergy or crossover between the two...

Alchemist/ Ninja? Hmm, now I can see some crossover there, particularly when you consider you can have an internal/ vivisectionist alchemist...

I'm more curious about the breath holding ability; assuming you are holding your breath, does that make you immune to stinking cloud and most inhaled poisons?
Seems like as written you would just take a full round action once an hour when you know you are safe then just hold your breath the rest of the time.

I do believe there are some rules regarding holding your breath and doing strenuous activity, like combat, reducing the overall time. Also, it's impossible to communicate verbally while holding your breath. Other than that, it's a neat ability. I prefer the new Witch water lung hex though (hello Mwangi witch doctor who sleeps in a bog.)

[Sayer_of_Nay]

0gre wrote:

For multi-classed monk/ alchemists?

I'm not sure, The internal alchemist seems like a very monkish discipline but I don't see a lot of multi-class synergy or crossover between the two...

Alchemist/ Ninja? Hmm, now I can see some crossover there, particularly when you consider you can have an internal/ vivisectionist alchemist...

Ugh. If that's the only reason they made that feat available, then IMO it is a poorly thought out idea.

[0gre]

Brotato wrote:

I do believe there are some rules regarding holding your breath and doing strenuous activity, like combat, reducing the overall time. Also, it's impossible to communicate verbally while holding your breath. Other than that, it's a neat ability. I prefer the new Witch water lung hex though (hello Mwangi witch doctor who sleeps in a bog.)

Which brings up an interesting question, how does strenuous activity affect the amount of time an Internal Alchemist can hold their breath?

[Sean K Reynolds]

This link may give you a better context of why the internal alchemist can select Extra Ki in place of a discovery.

And this one, too.

[deinol]

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

This link may give you a better context of why the internal alchemist can select Extra Ki in place of a discovery.

And this one, too.

Here I was expecting a link to Full Metal Alchemy.

[Sayer_of_Nay]

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

This link may give you a better context of why the internal alchemist can select Extra Ki in place of a discovery.

And this one, too.

I'm actually familiar with QiGong and Neidan, and I understand the fluff reason for adding the extra ki feat, but I'm concerned about the mechanical,or lack thereof, benefits of taking the feat. It fits the concept of a student of the chinese alchemy to have developed their chi, but I see no mechanical benefits of doing so, seeing as the internal alchemist has no abilities that are powered by chi.

I enjoy the flavor of the achetype; I've been looking for a method of playing such a character for a while now. I just do see the purpose of it outside of pure flavor.

[waltero]

Especially odd since the prereq for extra ki is having class features powered by ki.

(from the srd)
Extra Ki
You can use your ki pool more times per day than most.

Prerequisite: Ki pool class feature.

Benefit: Your ki pool increases by 2.

Special: You can gain Extra Ki multiple times. Its effects stack.

[Sayer_of_Nay]

waltero wrote:

Especially odd since the prereq for extra ki is having class features powered by ki.

(from the srd)
Extra Ki
You can use your ki pool more times per day than most.

Prerequisite: Ki pool class feature.

Benefit: Your ki pool increases by 2.

Special: You can gain Extra Ki multiple times. Its effects stack.

Hmmm, that's a good point. Perhaps they had originally planned on the internal alchemist having a small chi pool for whatever, and it got cut in the final revision. It wouldn't be the first time something like this has occured.

[Sean K Reynolds]

I wrote the internal alchemist, and I didn't build anything into it about having a ki pool.

Just as people want caster/fighter multiclassing options, it was a natural fit for the IA multiclassing with monk or ninja, so I put the option right there for ki so we wouldn't have to clarify/FAQ/errata it in a later book. Proactivity.

[Maerimydra]

What I like about the Internal Alchemist Archetype is that, while it's strongly inspired by Asian Alchemy and it's compatible with both the Monk and the Ninja, it doesn't force you to multiclass in either of those asian-themed classes. In fact, an Internal Alchemist/Fighter is as good as an Internal Alchemist/Ninja, if not better.

Beside, with its disease resistance, the Internal Alchemist is even more mechanically closer to the Witcher than the Vanilla Alchemist, which make him even more awesome. It's so awesome than I'm going to play a non-asian Internal Alchemist in our upcoming Carrion Crown campaign.

Thank you Sean K Reynolds for the Internal Alchemist! :)

[Phasics]

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Proactivity.

This is 10 sorts of win right here ;)

[wilder79]

Was it intended to offer improved critical feat as an option for a second level character to take or do you need to meet the other feat requirements in order to take it? As written it sounds like You can take it in place of your level 2 discover y

[SamuraiFlamenco]

Ahoi! Sorry if my english is a bit funny since i'm not a native speaker.
My thanks to Sean K Reynolds for this interesting Archetype.
As you can imagine I want to MC my Vivisectionist/Internal Alchemist with the Monk,
since I am not lawful my only Monk option is the Martial Artist Archetype.

Here my is question: Do the Internal Alchemist Bonus Feats also count as Monk Bonus Feats?

p.s.: I consider the Weapon Focus(unarmed strike) Feat a must have for most Monks and I fail to understan why it is not a regular Monk Bonus Feat.

[Devastation Bob]

If multiclassing as a monk, they regain Throw Anything as a monk bonus feat, do they also regain the bonus to splash damage as a regular alchemist?

[buddahcjcc]

deinol wrote:

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

This link may give you a better context of why the internal alchemist can select Extra Ki in place of a discovery.

And this one, too.

Here I was expecting a link to Full Metal Alchemy.

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