Metawords that affect an entire spell: how many can you use?


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I'm letting one of my players change his sorcerer into a Wordcaster, so I'm trying to make sure that I understand all the rules for the system. I believe have most of the rules for how wordcasting works figured out except for metawords. There seems to to a problem in the explanation for the number of metawords that can be applied to a single spell.

The book says "A wordspell can have multiple meta words arranged within it so long as each target word and each effect word are modified by only one meta word apiece." Sounds simple enough. However, it seems as if most meta words don't just modify a single effect word. For example, the careful meta words says "A wordspell with this meta word does not require a somatic component."

So, how is this supposed to work? Do metawords that affect the entire spell rather than the individual words not count towards the limit? Or do they prevent you from using any other meta words on that spell?

It would just seem odd to me if you can use metawords like boost multiple times in a spell to get various effects, but can only use ones like careful or silent by themselves.


Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

*bump*

I have a feeling I'm just going to have to wait for one of the game designers to answer this one, lol.

Scarab Sages

Or a while for more people to get books/pdfs.

*taps foot impatiently*

I don't have mine yet, so I can only answer off of the text you provided.

Based on that, I feel like there's a big chunk of text that I need to read for this.

But... each target word and each effect word are modified by only one meta word apiece.

It seems to me like the boost metaword would only work once as well, since you're running into the same source issue. Anyhow, onto the actual question.

Does applying metawords have a cost effect? With metamagic feats, they can be applied on top of each other as long as they don't boost the spell level beyond the level you can cast, and the spell is cast at that level.

If these metawords have a cost of some sort, I would think that the ones that don't specifically modify a target or an effect would stack.

Conversely, if these metawords don't have a cost beyond limiting the effects you can apply to the spell, then it seems likely that they were intended to prevent additional modifications on purpose. However, note that this is only based on what you've got posted here and what seems reasonable to me.

Once I get a pdf tomorrow, I'll take a look at the system and see what comes to me.

All these posts taunting me about the contents of the pdf...


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Magicdealer wrote:


Does applying metawords have a cost effect? With metamagic feats, they can be applied on top of each other as long as they don't boost the spell level beyond the level you can cast, and the spell is cast at that level.

If these metawords have a cost of some sort, I would think that the ones that don't specifically modify a target or an effect would stack.

Conversely, if these metawords don't have a cost beyond limiting the effects you can apply to the spell, then it seems likely that they were intended to prevent additional modifications on purpose. However, note that this is only based on what you've got posted here and what seems reasonable to me.

The metawords can be used a number of times per day equal to half your caster level. Most meta words have no cost aside from that. That's why I'm thinking that you can stack certain metawords, since all it means is that you're using them up faster (and they generally aren't that powerful).


Having just read that section of the book, I believe that you can use 1 meta word for each word in the spell. Basically, you could use the careful meta word in a word spell and apply it to any of the words it uses, either the target word or one of the effect words.

I think the intention is that you have to chose one of the words and attach the meta word to it, preventing you from boosting that particular effect word.

To use an example from the book, you could cast Burst Fire Blast and make it Careful and Quiet but then you could not also boost the Burst to increase range and radius of effect.

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