Stupid Question #65465135468732132657


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Scarab Sages

Both Ninja and Rogue gets sneak attack at first level.

If one was to multiclass say level 1 ninja and 1 rogue would the sneak attack be 2d6?


yes it would except for the fact that the Ninja is an alternate class to the Rogue so you cant multiclass with the two of them.


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Rogue/Ninja is not a possible multi-class.
Ninjas are considered a Rogue archtype, so it can't be done.
Thematicly its like going Rogue/Rogue.


northbrb wrote:
yes it would except for the fact that the Ninja is an alternate class to the Rogue so you cant multiclass with the two of them.

The ninja is not an alternate class of the rogue. The ninja is a new base class. If it were an alternate class, it would simply say "this replaces this feature of a rogue..." etc. They are separate classes.

As to the original question though, you are correct. The sneak attack would stack.

Sczarni

shalandar wrote:
northbrb wrote:
yes it would except for the fact that the Ninja is an alternate class to the Rogue so you cant multiclass with the two of them.

The ninja is not an alternate class of the rogue. The ninja is a new base class. If it were an alternate class, it would simply say "this replaces this feature of a rogue..." etc. They are separate classes.

As to the original question though, you are correct. The sneak attack would stack.

Sorry I should have been specific I was referring to the new base class ninja.

Thank you for responses.


Role: The ninja spends almost all of her time honing her
skills, practicing her art, or working on her next assignment.
Even when not specifically working, the ninja is ever vigilant
and ready for the situation to turn deadly. Her line of work
earns her many enemies, but it is a list that she frequently
reduces through assassination and misdirection. The ninja
is an alternate class for the rogue core class.

this is from the Ultimate Combat Play test


Fewmaster Rys wrote:

Both Ninja and Rogue gets sneak attack at first level.

If one was to multiclass say level 1 ninja and 1 rogue would the sneak attack be 2d6?

Yes, he would have a sneak attack of 2d6 and a BASE attack of +0 (worse then a level 2 wizard).

Dark Archive

I think the ninja is an alternate option for rogue with all the bits filled in (it has simply been nicely laid out). So you cannot multiclass the two. That has been discussed in thread beyond this one. I could be wrong but it sounds right to me.

EDIT: northbrb got in before me!


northbrb wrote:

Role: The ninja spends almost all of her time honing her

skills, practicing her art, or working on her next assignment.
Even when not specifically working, the ninja is ever vigilant
and ready for the situation to turn deadly. Her line of work
earns her many enemies, but it is a list that she frequently
reduces through assassination and misdirection. The ninja
is an alternate class for the rogue core class.

this is from the Ultimate Combat Play test

Ahh, I stand corrected then. I don't think I ever saw that line.

northbrb is correct then. You wouldn't be able to multiclass rogue/ninja.

(edit): I'm going to add this for the original person asking the question, I found this in the shaded section of the ultimate combat playtest, page 2:

Playtest wrote:
Each alternate class replaces the class features from another class. When a character takes a level in one of these classes, he cannot later take levels in the other version of that class. For example, when a character takes levels of ninja, he cannot later take levels of rogue. For the purposes of prerequisites or other effects, each of these alternate classes counts as the class that it is related to.

Grand Lodge

shalandar wrote:
northbrb wrote:

Role: The ninja spends almost all of her time honing her

skills, practicing her art, or working on her next assignment.
Even when not specifically working, the ninja is ever vigilant
and ready for the situation to turn deadly. Her line of work
earns her many enemies, but it is a list that she frequently
reduces through assassination and misdirection. The ninja
is an alternate class for the rogue core class.

this is from the Ultimate Combat Play test

Ahh, I stand corrected then. I don't think I ever saw that line.

northbrb is correct then. You wouldn't be able to multiclass rogue/ninja.

This is also true of the samurai and gunslinger replacing the cavaliere and fighter respectively.


shalandar wrote:
northbrb wrote:
yes it would except for the fact that the Ninja is an alternate class to the Rogue so you cant multiclass with the two of them.

The ninja is not an alternate class of the rogue. The ninja is a new base class. If it were an alternate class, it would simply say "this replaces this feature of a rogue..." etc. They are separate classes.

As to the original question though, you are correct. The sneak attack would stack.

You are confusing an Archetype like the Free Hand Fighter for the fighter, and an Alternate class, of which the only example we have right now in print is the Antipaladin. In terms of the Utlimate combat playtest classes, the gunslinger is not it's own class, but the samarai and ninja are still alternate classes, though this may change, for now you cant multiclass ninja and rogue.

As for the spirit of the question, if you multiclass 2 classes that have sneak attack, they do indeed stack. So if for instance you multiclass rogue and A bard with the sandman archetype, their respective sneak attacks would stack.


No. But at 3rd level (2nd level of either, it would become 2d6. Levels of sneak add together, they don't specifically stack.


To continue - technically the LEVELs stack, if you have two classes that have sneak the levels stack for purposes of damage (see numerous 3.5 prestige classes with sneak attack). You do NOT get 2d6 at 2nd level, you have to wait for third.


Major__Tom wrote:
To continue - technically the LEVELs stack, if you have two classes that have sneak the levels stack for purposes of damage (see numerous 3.5 prestige classes with sneak attack). You do NOT get 2d6 at 2nd level, you have to wait for third.

I dont believe that is true. The prestige classes were designed with that in mind, but as far as base classes go, that is not how multiclassing works. There is nothing in the sneak attack text to suggest it, nor in the multiclassing rules. By that logic, a 3rd level wizard that takes 2 levels in sorceror should have 3rd level spells.

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Madclaw wrote:
This is also true of the samurai and gunslinger replacing the cavaliere and fighter respectively.

I believe playtest 2 removed the line about the gunslinger being a fighter alternate. However, I don't have it in front of me and leaving it out could've been an accident.


the Gunslinger will be its own base class when the Ultimate Combat comes out

Grand Lodge

poizen37 wrote:
Madclaw wrote:
This is also true of the samurai and gunslinger replacing the cavaliere and fighter respectively.

I believe playtest 2 removed the line about the gunslinger being a fighter alternate. However, I don't have it in front of me and leaving it out could've been an accident.

Really? This just made Gunslinger all the more crazy.

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