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NobodysHome wrote:Which is why the best math teacher I had in high school was already semi-retired, had his comfortable life on the edge of a golf course in the middle of nowhere, and took no crap because he didn't care about job or financial security. He was funny, effective, and smart. Similar personality to Shiro, if Shiro were a closeted hillbilly bear.Freehold DM wrote:indeed. Math teachers remain evil.It's snarky, nasty, political, and has exceptions for the many dedicated math teachers I've met personally, but in broad strokes, math teachers aren't people who can do math, at least around here. Here are three jobs I qualify for right now and could
getapply for at any company in the area with a Ph.D. in math:(a) $85,000 to work 2470 hours a year with an administration that treats you like dirt, students who treat you like the devil, no overtime, no vacation during the school year, and no "real" sick time during the school year. (I was required to find my own substitute any time I wanted to call in sick.)
(b) $135,000 to work 1800 hours a year with a manager who respects you and co-workers who treat you with awe, plus infinite sick leave, but no overtime
(c) $180,000 to work 2000 hours a year with a manager who sets clear expectations, a team who works with you to get things done, and plenty of overtime.
Unless you're really into self-sacrifice and you have a major martyr complex, you're not going to choose option (a). So people "end up" as math teachers rather than wanting to be math teachers, and the students pay the price.
You forget that Shiro is, right at this moment, working on retiring to a cabin in the woods on 20 acres of land in Kentucky.
EDIT: And when you're in the woods...

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Drejk wrote:Interesting. I'm curious where you found it. Because when I play around with Google I find that with nothing more than my name and city you can get my old address and phone number, but when I've tried to find family members and so forth I don't get far without having to get through a paywall. Once you're willing to pay for information, you can get ANYTHING.NobodysHome wrote:There's a reason I use FaWtL instead of Facebook for my venting. Other than lisamarlene, no one could pick my mother out of a lineup. No one knows her name. She doesn't visit this site, nor does anyone who knows me other than my kids. And they know all these stories all too well. So I'm fairly confident I am causing her no harm in posting about her here.Took me two minutes, though I had an advantage of already knowing your name. Learning your mother's maiden name (or maybe a second name, I had not implored that far) took some more time, but the blatant disregard for privacy in USA is staggering, and even without going into voluntarily disclosed information...
*shudders and warmly hugs EU privacy protection regulations*
I'll send you PM with the link to the webpage. The website blocks me from digging deeper, not even a paywall, but more likely a fence against those pesky Europeans (or possibly anyone from outside US, whitepages.com showed some phone numbers, but explicitly stated that other information is only accessible to residents of USA).

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lisamarlene wrote:NobodysHome wrote:Which is why the best math teacher I had in high school was already semi-retired, had his comfortable life on the edge of a golf course in the middle of nowhere, and took no crap because he didn't care about job or financial security. He was funny, effective, and smart. Similar personality to Shiro, if Shiro were a closeted hillbilly bear.Freehold DM wrote:indeed. Math teachers remain evil.It's snarky, nasty, political, and has exceptions for the many dedicated math teachers I've met personally, but in broad strokes, math teachers aren't people who can do math, at least around here. Here are three jobs I qualify for right now and could
getapply for at any company in the area with a Ph.D. in math:(a) $85,000 to work 2470 hours a year with an administration that treats you like dirt, students who treat you like the devil, no overtime, no vacation during the school year, and no "real" sick time during the school year. (I was required to find my own substitute any time I wanted to call in sick.)
(b) $135,000 to work 1800 hours a year with a manager who respects you and co-workers who treat you with awe, plus infinite sick leave, but no overtime
(c) $180,000 to work 2000 hours a year with a manager who sets clear expectations, a team who works with you to get things done, and plenty of overtime.
Unless you're really into self-sacrifice and you have a major martyr complex, you're not going to choose option (a). So people "end up" as math teachers rather than wanting to be math teachers, and the students pay the price.
You forget that Shiro is, right at this moment, working on retiring to a cabin in the woods on 20 acres of land in Kentucky.
EDIT: And when you're in the woods...
LOL, Mr. G. was *from* Kentucky.

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NobodysHome wrote:LOL, Mr. G. was *from* Kentucky.lisamarlene wrote:NobodysHome wrote:Which is why the best math teacher I had in high school was already semi-retired, had his comfortable life on the edge of a golf course in the middle of nowhere, and took no crap because he didn't care about job or financial security. He was funny, effective, and smart. Similar personality to Shiro, if Shiro were a closeted hillbilly bear.Freehold DM wrote:indeed. Math teachers remain evil.It's snarky, nasty, political, and has exceptions for the many dedicated math teachers I've met personally, but in broad strokes, math teachers aren't people who can do math, at least around here. Here are three jobs I qualify for right now and could
getapply for at any company in the area with a Ph.D. in math:(a) $85,000 to work 2470 hours a year with an administration that treats you like dirt, students who treat you like the devil, no overtime, no vacation during the school year, and no "real" sick time during the school year. (I was required to find my own substitute any time I wanted to call in sick.)
(b) $135,000 to work 1800 hours a year with a manager who respects you and co-workers who treat you with awe, plus infinite sick leave, but no overtime
(c) $180,000 to work 2000 hours a year with a manager who sets clear expectations, a team who works with you to get things done, and plenty of overtime.
Unless you're really into self-sacrifice and you have a major martyr complex, you're not going to choose option (a). So people "end up" as math teachers rather than wanting to be math teachers, and the students pay the price.
You forget that Shiro is, right at this moment, working on retiring to a cabin in the woods on 20 acres of land in Kentucky.
EDIT: And when you're in the woods...
I had a high school teacher called Mr. G. He attended UCLA in the '60s, and looked a little like Christopher Lloyd in "Taxi". He was very open about the fact that had done a lot of drugs in the past. One time a student asked him "What drugs haven't you done?" He said "Well, I never tried heroin." The student followed up with "Okay, which ones have you done?" Mr. G. thought for a moment and said "Well, I've never done heroin." Somehow he wound up teaching high school Government in a small town in Southern Illinois.

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I approve of that scenario.
Of course the academy of goblin wizards who have abandoned their race's typical hatred of reading could also be a good idea. Bunch of gobbos with thick eyeglasses walking around, wearing robes, debating the metaphysical properties of the ethereal plane, and researching whether or not the species of bat used to produce the guano has an effect on a fireball spell.

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NobodysHome wrote:Which is why the best math teacher I had in high school was already semi-retired, had his comfortable life on the edge of a golf course in the middle of nowhere, and took no crap because he didn't care about job or financial security. He was funny, effective, and smart. Similar personality to Shiro, if Shiro were a closeted hillbilly bear.Freehold DM wrote:indeed. Math teachers remain evil.It's snarky, nasty, political, and has exceptions for the many dedicated math teachers I've met personally, but in broad strokes, math teachers aren't people who can do math, at least around here. Here are three jobs I qualify for right now and could
getapply for at any company in the area with a Ph.D. in math:(a) $85,000 to work 2470 hours a year with an administration that treats you like dirt, students who treat you like the devil, no overtime, no vacation during the school year, and no "real" sick time during the school year. (I was required to find my own substitute any time I wanted to call in sick.)
(b) $135,000 to work 1800 hours a year with a manager who respects you and co-workers who treat you with awe, plus infinite sick leave, but no overtime
(c) $180,000 to work 2000 hours a year with a manager who sets clear expectations, a team who works with you to get things done, and plenty of overtime.
Unless you're really into self-sacrifice and you have a major martyr complex, you're not going to choose option (a). So people "end up" as math teachers rather than wanting to be math teachers, and the students pay the price.
The best German teacher I ever had was in the same circumstances (he was financially well off but he loved languages so he filled his days with teaching)

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I never had him for class, but when I was at UC Davis rumor had it that the best Chemistry teacher of all time was the guy who invented Sex Wax. Independently wealthy from that, so he taught for the fun of it.
But yeah, I've said it ever since I left teaching: If I could find a position:
(1) Where the administration was supportive of the teachers instead of whatever crazy parent walked in the door that day, and
(2) Paid me exactly the same as I'm making today, with simple cost-of-living increases each year,
I'd go back to teaching in a heartbeat.
The fact that these two requirements are impossible in the U.S. is a sad indictment of our entire educational system.
I suppose I've strayed too far into politics, so I'll wander off and enjoy my lockdown now.

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I never had him for class, but when I was at UC Davis rumor had it that the best Chemistry teacher of all time was the guy who invented Sex Wax. Independently wealthy from that, so he taught for the fun of it.
But yeah, I've said it ever since I left teaching: If I could find a position:
(1) Where the administration was supportive of the teachers instead of whatever crazy parent walked in the door that day, and
(2) Paid me exactly the same as I'm making today, with simple cost-of-living increases each year,
I'd go back to teaching in a heartbeat.The fact that these two requirements are impossible in the U.S. is a sad indictment of our entire educational system.
2) I don't think that you could get money comparable to your IT corp earning for teaching at school anywhere on this planet. Administrative job at one of the most famous and wealthy universities, sure. Teaching? Nope. Maybe if you were a private tutor to a children of a quirky multimillionaire. Maybe.

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NobodysHome wrote:2) I don't think that you could get money comparable to your IT corp earning for teaching at school anywhere on this planet. Administrative job at one of the most famous and wealthy universities, sure. Teaching? Nope. Maybe if you were a private tutor to a children of a quirky multimillionaire. Maybe.I never had him for class, but when I was at UC Davis rumor had it that the best Chemistry teacher of all time was the guy who invented Sex Wax. Independently wealthy from that, so he taught for the fun of it.
But yeah, I've said it ever since I left teaching: If I could find a position:
(1) Where the administration was supportive of the teachers instead of whatever crazy parent walked in the door that day, and
(2) Paid me exactly the same as I'm making today, with simple cost-of-living increases each year,
I'd go back to teaching in a heartbeat.The fact that these two requirements are impossible in the U.S. is a sad indictment of our entire educational system.
You'd be surprised. I just brought up the Albany Unified School District salary schedule and in 2018 several of the teachers who also took on administrative roles made more then than I'm making now. Multiple administrators in the 4,000-student district were flirting with doubling my salary. I brought up City College of San Francisco's salary schedule, and their top-tier faculty salary is close enough to my current salary that I'd find it an acceptable compromise.
The two issues are:
(1) Administration is considered far more valuable than teaching. The top 17 salaries in the Albany district in 2018 went to administrators, including assistant principals and the "executive chef". So to make money, you have to stop teaching. Er... I already did that.
(2) Teacher salaries are non-negotiable. If another tech company wants to hire me away from Global Megacorporation, they'll ask, "What are you making now?", I'll tell them, and they'll typically offer me a 20-30% raise to jump ship. It's why Shiro makes so much more than I do -- he's happy to accept those offers because, living on his own, stability isn't all that important to him. He can move anywhere, any time, and still be happy. Having kids and a mortgage makes me stay in a secure job working from home.
For school districts, it's, "You have a Ph.D., 4 years of full-time experience, and 4 years of part-time experience, so you're column 4, row 6," which at the same school district is $64,185.00. I've mentioned that I make 6 figures right now, so that would be a massive hit. City College is a bit better at $89,930, but that's still an unacceptably large pay cut.
My salary is really low for tech. Lots of school districts in this area pay their top-tier teachers nearly as much as I'm making. But I wouldn't see that kind of salary for 20 years.
EDIT: That's the easy way to put it: In corporate America, companies will match your salary to ensure they're getting the best people for the job. In U.S. public education, you are paid based on your years of experience and that's it; the worst teacher with 10 years of experience is payed exactly the same as the best, down to the penny.

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I'm getting my a** kicked by my usual December depression. I just said "bye, Felicia" to my FB account and I'm still in my robe after 12:30. I just have to get through eight more days of online teaching, Christmas shopping, and all the emotional baggage that goes along with December, and I'll be okay again, but dear gods, do I hate this time of year.

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I'm getting my a** kicked by my usual December depression. I just said "bye, Felicia" to my FB account and I'm still in my robe after 12:30. I just have to get through eight more days of online teaching, Christmas shopping, and all the emotional baggage that goes along with December, and I'll be okay again, but dear gods, do I hate this time of year.
Yes.

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Well, yesterday I let the family dump me at the tree lot where I spent an hour in line to buy a 4'6" tree (137 cm), then got out all the decorations. While I was working I overheard Impus Major singing This is Halloween, so once the family had gathered to start decorating the tree I brought up the sound track to The Nightmare Before Christmas on Spotify and cranked it. Impus Major and GothBard cheerfully sang along to the entire album while trimming the tree.
So yeah, the plague of gift shopping is nightmarish; it's only the 6th and GothBard is already completely stressing about stocking stuffers, Christmas cards, and incidental gifts, and how we're going to manage to get it all done during a lockdown.
Which is why I encourage everyone to say, "Please don't give me a gift or a card this year; a simple 'Merry Christmas' will suffice."
Of course, I'm 100% guaranteed to find a banana and a penny under the tree wrapped in birthday paper with a horrifically-misspelled card taped on with duct tape, but such is my life...

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Well, yesterday I let the family dump me at the tree lot where I spent an hour in line to buy a 4'6" tree (137 cm), then got out all the decorations. While I was working I overheard Impus Major singing This is Halloween, so once the family had gathered to start decorating the tree I brought up the sound track to The Nightmare Before Christmas on Spotify and cranked it. Impus Major and GothBard cheerfully sang along to the entire album while trimming the tree.
So yeah, the plague of gift shopping is nightmarish; it's only the 6th and GothBard is already completely stressing about stocking stuffers, Christmas cards, and incidental gifts, and how we're going to manage to get it all done during a lockdown.
Which is why I encourage everyone to say, "Please don't give me a gift or a card this year; a simple 'Merry Christmas' will suffice."
Of course, I'm 100% guaranteed to find a banana and a penny under the tree wrapped in birthday paper with a horrifically-misspelled card taped on with duct tape, but such is my life...
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Crookshanks got the most recent version of Bunnies and Burrows, by Frog God Games, it looks like fun. Crookshanks has decided she would be a squirrel, the General is going to be an Armadillo, and Tiny T-Rex and I are undecided, though I think he's leaning towards being a raccoon and I plan on being a regular old rabbit of some sort.

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We're just now eating dinner after 8 on a school night because we're four rounds into the final battle of the entire AP and we can't stop now.
It took us 3.5 weeks to get through the fight. Admittedly, doing it online is a bit slower than in real life, but it was still a long fight.

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lisamarlene wrote:We're just now eating dinner after 8 on a school night because we're four rounds into the final battle of the entire AP and we can't stop now.It took us 3.5 weeks to get through the fight. Admittedly, doing it online is a bit slower than in real life, but it was still a long fight.
We spent 5 solid hours on it today. Ochymua and one of the two Aboleth Engineers are gone. We've left the table up for tomorrow at lunch/dinner.