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lisamarlene wrote:
gran rey de los mono wrote:
My friend works at a hospital. He hates it. Every time he tries to call in sick they say "Come on in, we'll fix you up and get you working in no time."
No, that's a thing. A long time ago, I had a friend who was a surgical nurse in the hospital. Her coworkers knew that bad hangovers were not an acceptable reason to call in sick, so instead they came in a little early, she hooked them up to an IV on the sly and gave them her quick get-you-feeling-well-enough-to-work cure. She told me at one point what was in it, but I can't remember now.

Glucose, large amount of vitamin C. I don't recall what else.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Oh I almost forgot I'm 32 now. (I think 32 it could be 5932 something like that.)

Happy spawn anniversary day!


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Yeah I've heard a saline drip works like a charm.

Ah, yes, salt solution to rehydrate was also part of the more complex version of the composition.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Happy Birthday, Vid!

And a bonus "Grumpy Old Man" tirade (TM):
So, I understand that maintaining the PRD was a PITA, so they offloaded it to the Archives of Nethys.

The problem is, as far as I can tell, the Archives make no effort to distinguish between the core rulebooks (Core, APG, Ultimates, etc.) and the Player Companions that add ludicrous spam (Champions of Purity, I'm looking at you).

So I used to be able to say, "If it's not in the PRD, you can't have it."
Now I have to have my players run source reports and tell them, "If it's from a Player Companion, you can't have it."

PITA.

And yeah, last night I had to cut our Strange Aeons game short because instead of being able to bring up the online rulebooks and quickly find the reference I needed ("What IS the Concentration check to cast while grappled, anyway?"), I ended up having to go to the physical books, which was much, MUCH slower.

Would've been nice to see that little changeover publicized a LOT more, so I could have been ready for it BEFORE I started running a game and got blindsided by it...

EDIT: OK, this morning the Archives are working OK and I see that I can find what I'm looking for once I'm used to the navigation. But last night when I needed them they were running at about 90 seconds load time per page. Which is a LOOOOOOONG time for my players to sit around waiting for a ruling...

I'm not currently a fan of the Archives switch, either. I liked being able to just click on the book I wanted to look through, rather than having to wonder if something is from an allowable book or not.

You can do that at Archives by clicking Sources, the category (like Adventure Module, RPG, Player Companion) and then pick the book to see the links to materials contained within.


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Unzipped the zip file to my laptop. The mirror PRD is just like the old PRD. Everything is as I remember.


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Mekkis' Hosted PRD Mirror


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NobodysHome wrote:

We locked things down after the litanies came out. "Yes, I'm a paladin, and I can lock you down so I can full-round attack you while smiting with no save (Fire of Entanglement, where even if they save they can't move for a round) as a 2nd-level swift action, or get +4 AC, +4 saves, flight, darkvision, a bunch of resistances and immunities, plus a frigging Globe of Invulnerability, all at 1 minute per level (Greater Angelic Aspect)!"

That, plus the sheer number of times Globe of Invulnerability made me want to turn ALL of my creatures incorporeal, just led to locking things down.

EDIT: It just got to the point of:
GM: That spell does what?!?!?
Player: It does x, and y, AND z, and it does them all as a swift action.
GM: That can't possibly be correct. (Checks PRD. On rare occasions it's there (the litanies), but on most occasions it's not (the aspects or force sphere))
OK. That's too over the top. I have to ban that.
Player: But I've already built my character and printed my character sheet! And Hero Labs allowed it! So what's the problem?
GM: (Long-exasperated sigh)

*hands NobodysHome a cane to shake at paladins*


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I'm bored.

Somebody explain PF occultism to me, and why bards are part of it.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

I'm bored.

Somebody explain PF occultism to me, and why bards are part of it.

I know nothing about Pf occultism, but a lot of older horror and fantasy stories leaned on the occult for inspiration, and bards tell stories and are all about secret knowledge. Boom.


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I think I've got my Huck Finn escape room written! We'll figure out how badly it collapses in about a month!


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Scintillae wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

I'm bored.

Somebody explain PF occultism to me, and why bards are part of it.

I know nothing about Pf occultism, but a lot of older horror and fantasy stories leaned on the occult for inspiration, and bards tell stories and are all about secret knowledge. Boom.

Yeah, that and Bards have always straddled the line between arcane and divine, and PF occultism is supposed to do that.

Also, it sucks for me. But, eh.

Also, also, I can't see who favorites my stuff anymore. It's always a blank name that I can't click on, followed by a comma, then the time. So either the forums themselves have taken a liking to my posts (I suppose it's a possibility) or I just can't see names anymore.


Tequila Sunrise wrote:

I'm bored.

Somebody explain PF occultism to me, and why bards are part of it.

Try this.


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I was finally able to work the last bit of Hawthorne tree spike out of my foot today!

It only took five years.

Score one for the long con!


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

I'm bored.

Somebody explain PF occultism to me, and why bards are part of it.

After years of cartoons, sitcoms, and Monty Python skits, bards have become memes, so in order to make them feel less like Galavant and more like Sherlock Holmes they attached Occultism to them.

Also, I suspect they wanted to include Occult s!#+ in the first book, this is the easy way to do that.


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Wow, Tac. This comma fellow favorites more than you do!


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The Invisible Man favorites again. :D


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I want names, damn it!


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Who do we have to bribe to get the names? :D


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Today was weird.
I participated in my first-ever lockdown/active shooter drill at school.
We didn't do those in California. We were more concerned about earthquakes.
The difficult part was that school policy is to divide the class into girls and boys. My co-teacher took the girls into the supply closet. I had to take the boys into the bathroom.
My troublemaker, "Baby Steve McQueen" (oh, you will be hearing a lot about BSMQ this year), immediately turned off the lights to freak the other boys out. Three boys immediately had to pee, all at the same time, around the single bowl while the rest of us watched in cramped quarters. BSMQ promptly grabbed the butt of one of the urinators. All the boys started giggling uncontrollably.
And I thought to myself, "If this actually was an active shooter scenario, we would all be dead. And we would all be dead because BSMQ grabbed the butt of Baby Cary Elwes while he peed."
Then Baby Mark Hamill started masturbating in front of all of us, and would not stop, no matter how many times I politely asked him to put his tackle back in his pants. He just kept saying "I'm peeing."
Um, no. You're not. I know the difference.

Ah, the joys of Kindergarten.


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Ah, the future of America. I need a drink.


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It's just like the Muppet Babies!


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So occultism is basically Supernatural. Lots of creepy stuff, unhelpful angels, and devious demons.

Tacticslion wrote:
Also, it sucks for me. But, eh.

Yeah I can't even imagine.

What would you have called it?


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Is this my first post since...like...1pm yesterday? I have no idea. Ever since my Virginia tech moved on and they decided not hiring a replacement was a brilliant idea, I've been buried. Today I heard complaints from the business side, through my boss, that they had to wait an entire 45 minutes on me to finish with other people before I fixed their problem.

To put that 45 minutes into context...I have an hour to even tell them that I received the ticket. From there I have a couple more hours to figure out the issue, unless it's something more complex or requires vendors to get involved, and then it takes whatever it takes. So they're complaining about me *fixing the issue* within 45 minutes of them submitting the ticket.

I replied to their concerns. Tried to keep most of the venomous hate out of my email, but still make it clear they're irritating me.

And then I sent an IM to my boss. "Words that get people fired" were definitely used. He did not reply to me. Half an hour later he was laughing about it. I have not been fired.


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

So occultism is basically Supernatural. Lots of creepy stuff, unhelpful angels, and devious demons.

Tacticslion wrote:
Also, it sucks for me. But, eh.

Yeah I can't even imagine.

What would you have called it?

He would gladly have gone for just about anything that has nothing to do with the word "occult" or anything else that gets commonly (and generally incorrectly) associated with demon/devil worship in several religious circles. It's simply the connotation that causes a problem for him when trying to get other people to play Pathfinder.


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lisamarlene wrote:

Today was weird.

I participated in my first-ever lockdown/active shooter drill at school.
We didn't do those in California. We were more concerned about earthquakes.
The difficult part was that school policy is to divide the class into girls and boys. My co-teacher took the girls into the supply closet. I had to take the boys into the bathroom.
My troublemaker, "Baby Steve McQueen" (oh, you will be hearing a lot about BSMQ this year), immediately turned off the lights to freak the other boys out. Three boys immediately had to pee, all at the same time, around the single bowl while the rest of us watched in cramped quarters. BSMQ promptly grabbed the butt of one of the urinators. All the boys started giggling uncontrollably.
And I thought to myself, "If this actually was an active shooter scenario, we would all be dead. And we would all be dead because BSMQ grabbed the butt of Baby Cary Elwes while he peed."
Then Baby Mark Hamill started masturbating in front of all of us, and would not stop, no matter how many times I politely asked him to put his tackle back in his pants. He just kept saying "I'm peeing."
Um, no. You're not. I know the difference.

Ah, the joys of Kindergarten.

Were you around California for the nuclear attack drills?

THOSE were fun!


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Tequila Sunrise wrote:

So occultism is basically Supernatural. Lots of creepy stuff, unhelpful angels, and devious demons.

Tacticslion wrote:
Also, it sucks for me. But, eh.

Yeah I can't even imagine.

What would you have called it?

"Psychic" if they really had to do that.

"Eldritch" or maybe "esoteric" as an alternate possibility to get the weirdness aspect and forbidden lore of the occult, but none of the Real World issues that comes with the latter.

"Primal" or maybe even "wyrd" if you wanted some "alternate" to divine and arcane magic that's already got a precedent in-setting and also honor the old roots of the bard (way back when) and both homage-yet-differentiate-from WotC stuff.

"Psionic" using power points as a basis, if I had my druthers (but also that wouldn't be bard, so...). But that's a fantasy. (Then again, given the genre we all play... :D)

(As an aside, I might suggest "sacred" instead of "divine" magic for things like clerics, inquisitors, paladins, and the like; this actually works to cover any lingering issues with stuff like druids which would use "sacred" magic and don't need gods, per se.)


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Vanykrye wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:

So occultism is basically Supernatural. Lots of creepy stuff, unhelpful angels, and devious demons.

Tacticslion wrote:
Also, it sucks for me. But, eh.

Yeah I can't even imagine.

What would you have called it?

He would gladly have gone for just about anything that has nothing to do with the word "occult" or anything else that gets commonly (and generally incorrectly) associated with demon/devil worship in several religious circles. It's simply the connotation that causes a problem for him when trying to get other people to play Pathfinder.

You actually almost word-for-word posted what I was going to. I barely changed it to the longer one just because I thought this post was too repetitive from what I'd already said... but, yeah, this is exactly it.


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I just... I just want to be able to talk to my family about my hobby and show them a book without it immediately devolving into questions about devil worship. I mean, by the time "occult" comes into the equation, even my in-laws (who were never part of the satanic panic thingies) would start raising eyebrows and giving suspicious looks.

EDIT:

And let me be clear. There is never a point that my family would actually think that I'd somehow fallen to devil worship. But I have kids. And there would be concerns. And I just... I don't want to concern my family. I like them, dang it. Sigh.


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Vanykrye wrote:

Is this my first post since...like...1pm yesterday? I have no idea. Ever since my Virginia tech moved on and they decided not hiring a replacement was a brilliant idea, I've been buried. Today I heard complaints from the business side, through my boss, that they had to wait an entire 45 minutes on me to finish with other people before I fixed their problem.

To put that 45 minutes into context...I have an hour to even tell them that I received the ticket. From there I have a couple more hours to figure out the issue, unless it's something more complex or requires vendors to get involved, and then it takes whatever it takes. So they're complaining about me *fixing the issue* within 45 minutes of them submitting the ticket.

I replied to their concerns. Tried to keep most of the venomous hate out of my email, but still make it clear they're irritating me.

And then I sent an IM to my boss. "Words that get people fired" were definitely used. He did not reply to me. Half an hour later he was laughing about it. I have not been fired.

Wwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I am so sorry, V. That well and truly suuuuuuucks.


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So, it's not because you hate words that start with an O.

Looks like I lost that bet!


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Down at the Longears Family Blunderbuss Swap Meet, Steamroller Pull and Puffin Exhibition. My brother's dog has taken a shine to me. There is a sceptic (sic.) tank, which means that you have to be careful what you put down the sink, i.e. homeopathic remedies will make it explode with rationalistic wrath. ALL (DE) is coming tomorrow, too. I am drinking (hard) cider in bed.


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NobodysHome wrote:


Were you around California for the nuclear attack drills?

THOSE were fun!

We still had those in Illinois when I went through school, but they were only once or twice a year, unlike the tornado drills, which were every month.


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Vanykrye wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:


Were you around California for the nuclear attack drills?

THOSE were fun!

We still had those in Illinois when I went through school, but they were only once or twice a year, unlike the tornado drills, which were every month.

I lived in California originally from 1988-1990, up in the "State of Jefferson" part, where we had no safety drills whatsoever.

When I was growing up, we only had tornado drills, because Wisconsin. At home, we had a pretty well-stocked storm cellar.

True story: my first memory of a local tornado was when I was four (1978). My dad and some neighborhood men were talking about the damage the tornado had done. Apparently it had flattened a man's garage and his "cat" was in it. I was horror-stricken, but also befuddled that all of these very hard men were so upset about a pet cat. I found out a few years later that it had been a piece of Caterpillar heavy machinery.


lisamarlene wrote:

Today was weird.

I participated in my first-ever lockdown/active shooter drill at school.
We didn't do those in California. We were more concerned about earthquakes.
The difficult part was that school policy is to divide the class into girls and boys. My co-teacher took the girls into the supply closet. I had to take the boys into the bathroom.
My troublemaker, "Baby Steve McQueen" (oh, you will be hearing a lot about BSMQ this year), immediately turned off the lights to freak the other boys out. Three boys immediately had to pee, all at the same time, around the single bowl while the rest of us watched in cramped quarters. BSMQ promptly grabbed the butt of one of the urinators. All the boys started giggling uncontrollably.
And I thought to myself, "If this actually was an active shooter scenario, we would all be dead. And we would all be dead because BSMQ grabbed the butt of Baby Cary Elwes while he peed."
Then Baby Mark Hamill started masturbating in front of all of us, and would not stop, no matter how many times I politely asked him to put his tackle back in his pants. He just kept saying "I'm peeing."
Um, no. You're not. I know the difference.

Ah, the joys of Kindergarten.

I don't. I don't even. The words. Wow.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Oh I almost forgot I'm 32 now. (I think 32 it could be 5932 something like that.)

Happy belated b-day.

Also...
Sorry I'm not as much around.
Been feeling doomy and gloomy lately + some other difficulties...


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Cover Turtle wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Oh I almost forgot I'm 32 now. (I think 32 it could be 5932 something like that.)

Happy belated b-day.

Also...
Sorry I'm not as much around.
Be feeling doomy and gloomy lately + some other difficulties...

Man-hugs the Turtle.

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*passes chocolate over the PC screen*

Well...I mean you know...sometimes drugs are good.

But do you want to talk about it? Might help.

LOL LM.

Just came back from a 3.6 mile run. 1.8 miles of it was made while carrying 1.5 l worth of soya bean drinks. Gee the extra weight really makes things harder.

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Vanykrye wrote:

Is this my first post since...like...1pm yesterday? I have no idea. Ever since my Virginia tech moved on and they decided not hiring a replacement was a brilliant idea, I've been buried. Today I heard complaints from the business side, through my boss, that they had to wait an entire 45 minutes on me to finish with other people before I fixed their problem.

To put that 45 minutes into context...I have an hour to even tell them that I received the ticket. From there I have a couple more hours to figure out the issue, unless it's something more complex or requires vendors to get involved, and then it takes whatever it takes. So they're complaining about me *fixing the issue* within 45 minutes of them submitting the ticket.

I replied to their concerns. Tried to keep most of the venomous hate out of my email, but still make it clear they're irritating me.

And then I sent an IM to my boss. "Words that get people fired" were definitely used. He did not reply to me. Half an hour later he was laughing about it. I have not been fired.

Seems like a neverending lot of user concerns. But again from the users side I just got rather pissed that I couldn't add rows to my excel document, and it turned out that 13000 row excel document was eating too much memory. IT finally advised me to split the document into two, since they couldn't find any way past it. Meh, I hate IT bugs too.

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Ok - I agree that this may piss some people off, but I always found occult classes redundant and superfluous. I've not seen anything that can be done with occult classes that can't be covered by normal arcane and divine casters.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Cover Turtle wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Oh I almost forgot I'm 32 now. (I think 32 it could be 5932 something like that.)

Happy belated b-day.

Also...
Sorry I'm not as much around.
Be feeling doomy and gloomy lately + some other difficulties...

Man-hugs the Turtle.

*Attempts a man-hug, but trips turning it into a painful half-tackle/pile of awkward dudes.*

"Uh... sorry."

*Gets back up and pats shoulder of now-flattened turtle.*


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Just a Mort wrote:

*passes chocolate over the PC screen*

Well...I mean you know...sometimes drugs are good.

But do you want to talk about it? Might help.

LOL LM.

Just came back from a 3.6 mile run. 1.8 miles of it was made while carrying 1.5 l worth of soya bean drinks. Gee the extra weight really makes things harder.

Ten mile run with a 35 pound rucksack and an M-16 when I was 21, in 1988. Not that I'm bragging. Couldn't do it now to save my life.

The Exchange

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Ok, running tips? (Technique wise)

My BF keeps telling me to strike with the front of my foot, move to the back before going to next stride and not land like an elephant. Everytime I try to land on the front of my foot my foot arches ache if I go for any long period of time.

Seriously, I AM trying to run faster. But gosh, weigh me down with something and I can barely manage a jog.

I suspect that I can run because I just do the mind over matter thing, but you know the whole thing doesn't have much finesse to it.

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John Napier 698 wrote:
Hey, NH. Mekkis made a mirror of the old PRD (7/20/2018 or thereabouts) and put it on Github. Download the .zip file and unzip to C:/paizo/prd, I think. Mekkis said that he'd also put it on his own server.

Also, I know Mekkis and have met him. He's my master in a Sith-Lord, Sith-Apprentice, sense :P

He also walks bloody fast ;)


Just a Mort wrote:
Ok - I agree that this may piss some people off, but I always found occult classes redundant and superfluous. I've not seen anything that can be done with occult classes that can't be covered by normal arcane and divine casters.

I think there are a tremendous host of brilliant things that are hidden behind a wall of "NOPE" that I cannot and will not make a major part of my games because pretty much three people who aren't me in my broader in-real-life friend circle will be okay with it, and it's not the mechanics.

The undercasting mechanic is the closest thing to power points Paizo will ever allow, and it's brilliant, and I hate that it's stuck behind a wall of <NOMENCLATURE GRAR>.

The occultist is what a wizard should be like. But it's literally called an occultist.

The medium is one of the most deliciously cool mechanical concepts. It literally has to get possessed by spirits to do their thing and must then have those spirits influence their actions. That is literally the closest thing to "Christian No-Nos 101." The other class ability mediums have is "conjure and talk to dead spirits." Concerning that, there is exactly one - just the one - non-God supernatural event (outside of being possessed by/purged of evil spirits), and it is directly tied to one of the deepest NOPES in said scriptures: I'll give you a guess of what that is. The participant in question (a king of Israel) is condemned for it (though, I suppose, not the practitioner; also that king was already in super-hot water, so... "more condemned" I suppose).

The spiritualist must have a singular non-good spirit they are bonded to. Guess the name of one thing explicitly verboten in the scriptures. (The major difference between phantoms and, say, eidolons, is that eidolons have literally nothing in common with "spirits" as the Christian Bible discusses them. At least Phantoms don't possess people... exactly.)

The mesmerist and psychic get out relatively clean, by comparison, they just have the misfortune of being called "occult."

The kineticist is literally every Avatar: the Last Airbender game anyone has ever wanted to play, and almost who is a Christian anywhere in the southern half of the U.S.A. is effectively automatically excluded by virtue of daggum nomenclature.

And all of the mechanical bits - and even much of the lore! - is super daggum cool. But effectively off-limits.

Sure, you can call any of them anything other than "occult" but that doesn't stop the name from being plastered all over the books. Similarly, you can call a phantom a "psychic construct" or any number of other things, and it suddenly ceases to be a problem; but it doesn't stop what's already printed there, and the printed part is a problem.


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Just a Mort wrote:

Ok, running tips? (Technique wise)

My BF keeps telling me to strike with the front of my foot, move to the back before going to next stride and not land like an elephant. Everytime I try to land on the front of my foot my foot arches ache if I go for any long period of time.

Seriously, I AM trying to run faster. But gosh, weigh me down with something and I can barely manage a jog.

I suspect that I can run because I just do the mind over matter thing, but you know the whole thing doesn't have much finesse to it.

Work on improving your endurance first. Running fast does no good if you wear yourself down before reaching the distance you set for yourself. Keep a steady pace. Run, don't sprint.

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Ya I know. Once I got encumbered with drinks, I had to like slow the pace down until it wasn't very much faster then walking =(


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About to clock out and go home. Good night, everyone.


Tacticslion wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Ok - I agree that this may piss some people off, but I always found occult classes redundant and superfluous. I've not seen anything that can be done with occult classes that can't be covered by normal arcane and divine casters.

I think there are a tremendous host of brilliant things that are hidden behind a wall of "NOPE" that I cannot and will not make a major part of my games because pretty much three people who aren't me in my broader in-real-life friend circle will be okay with it, and it's not the mechanics.

The undercasting mechanic is the closest thing to power points Paizo will ever allow, and it's brilliant, and I hate that it's stuck behind a wall of <NOMENCLATURE GRAR>.

The occultist is what a wizard should be like. But it's literally called an occultist.

The medium is one of the most deliciously cool mechanical concepts. It literally has to get possessed by spirits to do their thing and must then have those spirits influence their actions. That is literally the closest thing to "Christian No-Nos 101." The other class ability mediums have is "conjure and talk to dead spirits." Concerning that, there is exactly one - just the one - non-God supernatural event (outside of being possessed by/purged of evil spirits), and it is directly tied to one of the deepest NOPES in said scriptures: I'll give you a guess of what that is. The participant in question (a king of Israel) is condemned for it (though, I suppose, not the practitioner; also that king was already in super-hot water, so... "more condemned" I suppose).

The spiritualist must have a singular non-good spirit they are bonded to. Guess the name of one thing explicitly verboten in the scriptures. (The major difference between phantoms and, say, eidolons, is that eidolons have literally nothing in common with "spirits" as the Christian Bible discusses them. At least Phantoms don't possess people... exactly.)

The mesmerist and psychic get out relatively clean, by comparison, they just...

Spiritualist phantoms can be any alignment, good, neutral, or evil. There's also one of my favorite archetypes of all time for them called Shadow Caller (found in Ultimate Intrigue that turns your phantom into your shadow.

Honestly, you guys are too hung up on words.


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You know Tac, you know an awful lot about Occult Adventures for someone not allowed to use it.


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Tacticslion wrote:

I just... I just want to be able to talk to my family about my hobby and show them a book without it immediately devolving into questions about devil worship. I mean, by the time "occult" comes into the equation, even my in-laws (who were never part of the satanic panic thingies) would start raising eyebrows and giving suspicious looks.

EDIT:

And let me be clear. There is never a point that my family would actually think that I'd somehow fallen to devil worship. But I have kids. And there would be concerns. And I just... I don't want to concern my family. I like them, dang it. Sigh.

Yeah that must be super frustrating. I'm used to most friends and family being disinterested in roleplaying, I can't even imagine a cultural-religious thing getting in the way.

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