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Disneyland and California Adventure were fairly unique in California in that you could get a very good sit-down lunch in a pleasant atmosphere; for example, in the Orleans Cafe in New Orleans Square. The Bengal Barbecue in Adventureland had extremely tasty meat skewers. Etc., etc.
...such as Disneyland Singapore (I'm looking at YOU, Just a Mort)...Oh you mean universal studios in Singapore? Not my thing since it's mainly roller coaster rides and I like keeping my paws on the ground, thank you. My BF would love to drag me there though.
Food in Disney is kinda expensive so we lived on popcorn and burgers then went somewhere else for a good stuffing for dinner in Japan.
No; something fishy is going on here. The closest Disneyland to you is a teensy little hop over to Hong Kong.
This article has a little of the history. There were talks and plans and hmming and hawing over putting a Disneyland there, but it never got built.
EDIT: A few interesting points:
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It's not? I thought it meant "that immediately prompts the asking of another question that requires an answer immediately as a result of the newly gained information".
That's certainly how I've always understood it and seen it used. I never would have imagined it meaning anything but that.
Sorry, had a meeting.
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Ah, yes. DST. The one system that guarantees an increase in deaths twice a year.
In definitely-not-related news, my soul traps work perfectly.
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It also adds to my techs' workload every time...thin clients that are set to automatically update their time for DST changes that then don't actually update. So now the remote users can't log into their VDI environments because the time on the thin client doesn't match up with the time on the VDI so the DC rejects the VDI login, and the time is locked down so only an administrator can change the time on the thin client.Gee... those thin clients don't happen to be running Windows, do they?
Gods, Microsoft! Can't you even get a basic time update right?
Generally, I find Linux has more problems with updating time than Windows does. Mostly because people who don't know what they're doing configure Linux wrong, while Windows is pretty plug-and-play.
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Uuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick.
This is even worse than normal because we had to cancel our first "real" table-top game with actual friends in approximately forever.
Get better soon!
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The growth of electricity and the national shift away from agricultural-based economies mean that DST is largely obsolete anymore. I wonder why we still have it.
The growth of electricity and the national shift away from agricultural-based economies mean that DST is largely obsolete anymore. I wonder why we still have it.Fun fact: the idea that DST is for the benefit of agriculture is a myth. Farmers actively lobbied against the implementation of DST when it was introduced.Which then begs the question.
What WAS the point??
Basically, saving electricity is the point.
DST was originally suggested by the rich of the 1700s, who wanted more leisure time during the day. But it wasn't adopted until the World Wars era because f%^& the rich. It was adopted to save fuel going to power homes and such, and actually managed it. There are some states, such as Indiana, that today have observed DST causes lower electricity usage than staying away from it. Other places, like Hawaii, would see no benefit due to not being far enough away from the equator.
However, Hawaii sees a greater benefit from solar panels than Indiana does, due again to the differences in equatorial proximity.
Incidentally, we have Germany to thank for DST. The U.S. copied from them.
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It's not? I thought it meant "that immediately prompts the asking of another question that requires an answer immediately as a result of the newly gained information".
That's certainly how I've always understood it and seen it used. I never would have imagined it meaning anything but that.
Sorry, had a meeting.
That fallacy originates from using "begs the question" incorrectly. Orthos used the phrase correctly, and thus is not actually falling under the premise of the fallacy.
It's one of those fallacies that has non-fallacy applications.
Slippery-slope argument is another one, as human history both ancient and modern shows very much how many slippery slope arguments, including ones that seem impossibly silly or unrealistic, represent real dangers. Adolf Hitler gaining the power he did, homes where men stay at home to raise children while their wives work, and pretty much everything Stalin did are all examples of real-world slippery slope arguments that came to pass. Note that a slippery-slope outcome does not have to be a bad thing in actual existence, just perceived as a bad thing at the time the argument is made.
Another example of a fallacy that isn't always a fallacy is the fallacy fallacy.
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Huh. I'd always been told it used a no-longer-common definition of begs, and linguistic drift did the rest.
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Linguistic drift introduced a secondary definition to the phrase, but the original definition is still valid.
It depends entirely on the context. In anything political, it's usually the second; in anything scientific, it's usually the first. Otherwise, you have to pay careful attention.
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Oh, and before I run off for the night, I had an exciting threefer of the Berkeley traffic experience today (Wasn't BTE a 1960's band?):
And the saddest thing is that traffic stunt wasn't the stupidest one I'd seen all week. On our way home from Shiro's house, NobodysWife and I were passing a major on-ramp (2 lanes) and a car in the right lane slowed down and pulled a right-hand U-turn to head down the on-ramp.
Yeah, I really hope drugs were involved.
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DST can go straight to the bottomless pit of the Abyss. That is all.The second-most-irritating aspect of it (the first being its existence) is that every solution I've seen proposed is, "Just always have it on!"
So yeah, let's dispose of 2500 years of history, where "noon" is, "The time at which the sun reaches its highest point in the sky," plus have our time zones utterly confusing when compared to other countries that aren't inevitably stupid, all because... reasons?
(Sorry, I still have no idea what the people who are arguing for "always on" are thinking, other than, "We like it to be light at 9 pm in the summer, so to heck with everything else!")
I have twelve more days before that abomination hits me...
*sigh* I already miss Winter Time :(
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The growth of electricity and the national shift away from agricultural-based economies mean that DST is largely obsolete anymore. I wonder why we still have it.The growth of electricity and the national shift away from agricultural-based economies mean that DST is largely obsolete anymore. I wonder why we still have it.Fun fact: the idea that DST is for the benefit of agriculture is a myth. Farmers actively lobbied against the implementation of DST when it was introduced.Which then begs the question.
What WAS the point??
Basically, saving electricity is the point.
DST was originally suggested by the rich of the 1700s, who wanted more leisure time during the day. But it wasn't adopted until the World Wars era because f%^& the rich. It was adopted to save fuel going to power homes and such, and actually managed it. There are some states, such as Indiana, that today have observed DST causes lower electricity usage than staying away from it. Other places, like Hawaii, would see no benefit due to not being far enough away from the equator.
However, Hawaii sees a greater benefit from solar panels than Indiana does, due again to the differences in equatorial proximity.
Incidentally, we have Germany to thank for DST. The U.S. copied from them.
Hmmm...
Might have to look it up, but I seem to remember that George Hudson was the first person to purpose a "modern" two-hour DST shift (ie one hour back and forth) in the late 1890's.But otherwise mostly accurate, it was nationally instituted in Germany and Austrian-Hungarian Empire in either 1915 or 1916. It was later adopted, at least for periods of time, by other countries afterwards, especially around WWII. It later saw large scale implementation during the 1970's energy crisis in the industrialised west for the stated reasons.
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It also adds to my techs' workload every time...thin clients that are set to automatically update their time for DST changes that then don't actually update. So now the remote users can't log into their VDI environments because the time on the thin client doesn't match up with the time on the VDI so the DC rejects the VDI login, and the time is locked down so only an administrator can change the time on the thin client.Gee... those thin clients don't happen to be running Windows, do they?
Gods, Microsoft! Can't you even get a basic time update right?
Uh, I never had a problem with time update on Windows, even taking into account different time zones, and the fact that I moved one time zone since buying this laptop.
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Am I weird in being not remotely interested in Disneyland? Those all entertainment parks hold little interest for me - too many too loud people around for not enough fun for me.
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The growth of electricity and the national shift away from agricultural-based economies mean that DST is largely obsolete anymore. I wonder why we still have it.The growth of electricity and the national shift away from agricultural-based economies mean that DST is largely obsolete anymore. I wonder why we still have it.Fun fact: the idea that DST is for the benefit of agriculture is a myth. Farmers actively lobbied against the implementation of DST when it was introduced.Which then begs the question.
What WAS the point??
Basically, saving electricity is the point.
DST was originally suggested by the rich of the 1700s, who wanted more leisure time during the day. But it wasn't adopted until the World Wars era because f%^& the rich. It was adopted to save fuel going to power homes and such, and actually managed it. There are some states, such as Indiana, that today have observed DST causes lower electricity usage than staying away from it. Other places, like Hawaii, would see no benefit due to not being far enough away from the equator.
However, Hawaii sees a greater benefit from solar panels than Indiana does, due again to the differences in equatorial proximity.
Incidentally, we have Germany to thank for DST. The U.S. copied from them.
Hmmm...
Might have to look it up, but I seem to remember that George Hudson was the first person to purpose a "modern" two-hour DST shift (ie one hour back and forth) in the late 1890's.
But otherwise mostly accurate, it was nationally instituted in Germany and Austrian-Hungarian Empire in either 1915 or 1916. It was later adopted, at least for periods of time, by other countries afterwards, especially around WWII. It later saw large scale implementation during the 1970's...
Eh. I tried to keep things relatively modern, rather than get into the discussion of which ancient culture we should thank for the idea. The Romans, for example, had their own form of a DST system.
The two hour system is merely the one that got adopted in modern times, not the first proposal.
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Am I weird in being not remotely interested in Disneyland? Those all entertainment parks hold little interest for me - too many too loud people around for not enough fun for me.I mostly go to make my wife happy. And for the soft pretzels.
I have yet to visit Disneyplace, or any similar park.
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My first thought about Disneyland in Singapore was – No such thing! Then I googled and Tripadvisor came up with Resorts World Sentosa as Disneyland of Singapore, and decided that you were referring to that.
I know little about Resorts World Sentosa, since the rollercoasters don’t interest me – so I thought you were referring to that.
Adventure Cove is a different story. When you say water theme park, you have my attention =) What we did was spend until late afternoon there without eating anything, then went back to Singapore mainland to stuff ourselves.
*Ish Swimming cat*
I have issues paying for expensive food in “high class” places – since I can cook and I know where the good stuff is if I want to eat out. (It’s the why pay at place A when B you get the same/better food at half the price?)
You did hear about me packing OREOS to track around Sentosa, and stubbornly drinking out of bottled water I brought + water coolers at opportunity because I was too cheapskate to buy things there, right? But I did pay to watch the wings of time, and enter the merlion :P
Hong Kong I suspect is too small to have a proper Disneyland – thus not many people are going because it doesn’t have the space(land is a premium in HK), for the full Disneyland story.
Hong Kong also has tons of museums and a free museum day(can’t remember which day), and fabulous dim sum =)
Also my Hokkaido trip is postphoned since my BF’s grandmother’s dementia is getting worse.
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Tequilia – bring the kids to a Disneyland – I think the one in Florida looks good. They’ll thank you for it.
Actually – it brings me to a discussion to a discussion about Disneyland. Some people say Disneyland was not for kids but for adults – trying to relive their inner kid. The part about this theory is that you enjoy Disneyland better if you have watched their cartoons since 1980s – Little mermaid, Bambi, 101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book etc.
And if you were around since the 1980s – you’re definitely an adult now. I don’t know what kids watch these days? Cartoon network…isn’t as good as it used to be in my opinion. Not so many cute cartoons on Mickey and Donald, and stuff like Ben 10, Dora the explorer, Adventure Time, pop up. Not Walt Disneyish.
Now I’ve heard good things about Adventure Time(apparently it appeals to your inner RPG geek), but I don’t think I want to get into that – though one of my friends watches it with his kid, which got his kid into Pathfinder. (Cos, go for your own adventures, right? And his kid is a bloody pyromaniac who plays a tiefling alchemist who boomsticks everything. Geez, what are they teaching kids these days… Get off my lawn!)
So my theory is that kids these days may NOT have grown up on Walt Disney Cartoons, thus revisiting those places…they may not have the state of knowledge to fully appreciate it.
At the end of the day, Tequilia, you know your kids better – on whether they did watch anything Disneyish – they might be able to connect better with the Disney/Pixar Flims, like the incredibles, Finding Nemo etc.
Yes, I ate Crush. He's a turtle. What can I say?
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We haven't been able to get into Adventure Time, for some reason.
They love We Bare Bears though.
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It should be noted pop culture in the states is highly cyclical, 80s and 90s stuff is becoming popular with the kids today because their parents (yo!) are shoving it in front of them.
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And Disney is as ingrained in American culture as apple pie or thanksgiving.
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Now when Crookshanks tries to get out of or putting off homework all we have to say is "you don't want to go to summer school do you?"
Mustn't abuse this temporary power.
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I have issues paying for expensive food in “high class” places – since I can cook and I know where the good stuff is if I want to eat out. (It’s the why pay at place A when B you get the same/better food at half the price?)
I always react to such statements with a great deal of learned skepticism; much of the time my host may feel that B is "just as good", but neither I nor NobodysWife feel the same. But yes, we know such places: Sushi 29 on Solano is very good sushi (not quite "excellent", but "very good") at about 1/2 the price of the expensive place. China Village is both cheaper and better than Kirin.
But honestly, the lunches in Disneyland are comparable in price to similar lunches outside the park. That's one of the true "wonders" of the park, and one of the reasons I'm so despondent that they're going for higher-profit-margin burger and pizza stands, which'll force us to leave the park to eat.
You did hear about me packing OREOS to track around Sentosa, and stubbornly drinking out of bottled water I brought + water coolers at opportunity because I was too cheapskate to buy things there, right?
More power to you. I tried it a few times, and carrying all that stuff wasn't worth the $8-$12 I saved.
Also my Hokkaido trip is postphoned since my BF’s grandmother’s dementia is getting worse.
Aw! Sorry to hear that. Such things are always very hard.
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Actually – it brings me to a discussion to a discussion about Disneyland...
I may run off at great length later, but Disneyland is typically a torture device used to scar children for life and increase the divorce rate of Middle America.
More seriously, people go there with expectations, and those expectations can never be met, and it leads to, "We spent $xxx to be here, and we're going on THAT ride, no matter what the rest of you think!"
I call them, "Daddy Death Marches", and you can see them every single day at Disneyland.
You have to go for the experience, not the rides or the shopping or the eating. Just go, wander around, look at how lovingly the whole place is crafted, marvel at the cleaning elves and the invisible security, and, if you happen to find a ride with a wait time of only 10-15 minutes, give it a try.
We did well with Impus Major when he was a toddler because:
(a) He was free (kids under 2 get in free), and
(b) He liked to look at stuff.
We took him on a couple of rides, but after 10:00 am the really little kids' rides get wait times of 50+ minutes. Can you imagine trying to make a toddler stand still in the hot sun for 50 minutes waiting for a 2-minute ride?
Yet people do, and they're miserable.
So our kids definitely had "hit" age ranges: 7-9 was good, and maybe 11-13, but otherwise it was far more just to relax and wander around an interesting place with the family. For all the kids cared, we could have been in Brooklyn.
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Interesting... our high school just updated the policy so that kids who participate in Wednesday's walk-out will no longer be marked as absent, but they adjusted the time so they're skipping their advisory period.
Looks like a lot of sensible negotiation between the school, the kids, the parents, and the police to come up with a compromise.
Have I mentioned I love living in Albany?
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Midwesterners long ago mistakenly twisted an old travelling adage into "don't eat the food" when traveling.
But because they're the only people willing to pay full price for a burger or pizza, no one bothered correcting them.
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Oh, and before I run off for the night, I had an exciting threefer of the Berkeley traffic experience today (Wasn't BTE a 1960's band?):
Driving to the shop to drop off the car, the classic, "I'm a bicyclist and I have a clearly-marked stop sign and the driver has through traffic, but I'm a cyclist, d*** it, so I'm blowing through the intersection and making him slam on his brakes!"
Hmm, I dont know about this. Until you are a cyclist, you dont know what it's -
Once the car was dropped off, I was a cyclist.
Ah. Well. *ahem*
So I was riding in the clearly-marked bicycle lane at 8 miles per hour (yes, I have a speedometer) when a woman strode out from between two parked cars in the middle of the block, staring at her phone, and nearly crashed into me. Then got mad because I'd nearly hit her.
More seriously, I get into more accidents this way. I hate whack a moles.
On the way back to the shop, I had the shuttle pick me up so I was having a pleasant chat with the driver when a driver a few cars behind us just swerved into the opposite lane and sped past all of us, risking a head-on collision, pedestrian deaths, or whatnot. (This was on MLK, lisamarlene, so a serious WTF moment.) The worst part? He stopped for the stop lights, so after pulling a near-death maneuver, after another half mile he was all of... one block in front of us.
And the saddest thing is that traffic stunt wasn't the stupidest one I'd seen all week. On our way home from Shiro's house, NobodysWife and I were passing a major on-ramp (2 lanes) and a car in the right lane slowed down and pulled a right-hand U-turn to head down the on-ramp.
As a new yorker, there is nothing worse than getting stuck on something knowing you will not be able to get off for several miles.
However we have cell phones now, and can navigate better. No need for that kind of dangerous madness.
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Actually, what I did, NH, was mind over matter. I ate a fairly heavy lunch before I started my trek to Sentosa, then lived on a packet of 154 g of Oreos and a small pack of popcorn which came complimentary with wings of time.
I can ignore my food requirements for a meal if I really want to.
If I am really busy at work, I will not eat or drink until things are done right.
I go to Disneyland to look at exhibits and read stuff they put up. Like the part on the menu "Jungle slug - tastes like chicken!"
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Isteak diner > astons for steaks.
Fish and Chicks serves garlic fried rice and herbed fish you can't find at other more pricy places.
Ding Tai Fung , Dian Xiao Er and The soup restaurant provide good Chinese food for reasonable prices.
No, you don't need to eat at Tung Lok Seafood for your Chinese food fix.
With that kind of evidence in place.. You see where I'm coming on cheap doesn't mean bad food?
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I should also add that 637 posts is hell, and I will never understand how Tac did more than 1000
Perseverance.
Glad to see you!
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Isteak diner > astons for steaks.
Fish and Chicks serves garlic fried rice and herbed fish you can't find at other more pricy places.
Ding Tai Fung , Dian Xiao Er and The soup restaurant provide good Chinese food for reasonable prices.
No, you don't need to eat at Tung Lok Seafood for your Chinese food fix.
With that kind of evidence in place.. You see where I'm coming on cheap doesn't mean bad food?
I know I'm hungry for wo hop.
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When I was in high school, my dad (who would have been 83 today) and I *loved* going to Disney World and Epcot.
BUT...
We lived an hour and a half away, and we were both morning people who liked road trips;
In those days, an off-season day pass was only $19 for Florida residents;
We knew before we went where we would eat and what we would spend our money on (Dole Whips for a snack and dinner at the German restaurant in Epcot, and pretty much nothing else), and our attitude was, "We'll choose at random between favorite rides and shortest lines, and if we miss something today, what do we care, we live here!"
It was the only place he was never, ever an a*****e. Which, yes, EARNS it the title of "Magic Kingdom" in my book.
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Actually – it brings me to a discussion to a discussion about Disneyland...I may run off at great length later, but Disneyland is typically a torture device used to scar children for life and increase the divorce rate of Middle America.
More seriously, people go there with expectations, and those expectations can never be met, and it leads to, "We spent $xxx to be here, and we're going on THAT ride, no matter what the rest of you think!"
I call them, "Daddy Death Marches", and you can see them every single day at Disneyland.
You have to go for the experience, not the rides or the shopping or the eating. Just go, wander around, look at how lovingly the whole place is crafted, marvel at the cleaning elves and the invisible security, and, if you happen to find a ride with a wait time of only 10-15 minutes, give it a try.
We did well with Impus Major when he was a toddler because:
(a) He was free (kids under 2 get in free), and
(b) He liked to look at stuff.We took him on a couple of rides, but after 10:00 am the really little kids' rides get wait times of 50+ minutes. Can you imagine trying to make a toddler stand still in the hot sun for 50 minutes waiting for a 2-minute ride?
Yet people do, and they're miserable.
So our kids definitely had "hit" age ranges: 7-9 was good, and maybe 11-13, but otherwise it was far more just to relax and wander around an interesting place with the family. For all the kids cared, we could have been in Brooklyn.
HEY!
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Am I weird in being not remotely interested in Disneyland? Those all entertainment parks hold little interest for me - too many too loud people around for not enough fun for me.I mostly go to make my wife happy. And for the soft pretzels.
+1000% for accuracy. He really does just go to make me happy.
Our friends joke that he puts up with Disney and I put up with his copious amounts of pathfindering.
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The only one I've ever been to was called Happyland or something. It was in Cornwall, was about the size of a soccer pitch, and had a giant teacup that went round in circles and a couple of immobile steam trains. I liked it at the time, but I was only around seven.
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The only one I've ever been to was called Happyland or something. It was in Cornwall, was about the size of a soccer pitch, and had a giant teacup that went round in circles and a couple of immobile steam trains. I liked it at the time, but I was only around seven.
Weirdly enough I've been there, maybe even twice, on holidays when I was a kid. That is if it's the one I'm thinking of.
Then again there are a few UK-sized theme parks nearby (Flamingo Land & Lightwater Valley) which I've been to a few times.
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When I was in high school, my dad (who would have been 83 today) and I *loved* going to Disney World and Epcot.
BUT...
We lived an hour and a half away, and we were both morning people who liked road trips;
In those days, an off-season day pass was only $19 for Florida residents;
We knew before we went where we would eat and what we would spend our money on (Dole Whips for a snack and dinner at the German restaurant in Epcot, and pretty much nothing else), and our attitude was, "We'll choose at random between favorite rides and shortest lines, and if we miss something today, what do we care, we live here!"
It was the only place he was never, ever an a*****e. Which, yes, EARNS it the title of "Magic Kingdom" in my book.
your dad sounds like a larger than life figure.
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Aren't we all.
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Google Drawings is surprisingly good for making maps. Super basic maps, mind, but functional.
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Am I weird in being not remotely interested in Disneyland? Those all entertainment parks hold little interest for me - too many too loud people around for not enough fun for me.
I'm about the same. I'm not a lot of fun at amusement parks, admittedly. I'm terrified of heights, which rules out most roller coasters. I don't like crowds, and I'm extremely budget-minded, which is a bad thing with the continually-rising prices of admission on most parks and everything within. I know that the Disney parks would run afoul of almost all of my introvert buttons and fail to live up to a lifetime of hype.
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I used to want to go to Disneyland but then I went to Great America twice and Noah's Ark, once.
That was all I needed.
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Hopefully the last sub 32 degree day of the year.
I have no doubt we'll still get more snow and it'll definitely drop below 30 degrees, but our highs are on the upswing.
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The only one I've ever been to was called Happyland or something. It was in Cornwall, was about the size of a soccer pitch, and had a giant teacup that went round in circles and a couple of immobile steam trains. I liked it at the time, but I was only around seven.Weirdly enough I've been there, maybe even twice, on holidays when I was a kid. That is if it's the one I'm thinking of.
Then again there are a few UK-sized theme parks nearby (Flamingo Land & Lightwater Valley) which I've been to a few times.
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I've never been to a Disney park, but I've been to Six Flags Over Texas more times than I can count, Six Flags Astroworld once, and Busch Gardens Williamsburg once. I prefer waterparks to amusement parks though.
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I'll just put it out that I despise theme parks (Great America, Six Flags, etc.) but I love Disneyland.
Which is why the current trend of moving Disneyland more towards a mainstream theme park upsets me so much. "Oh, let's be just like everyone else! Isn't that what everyone wants?" is not a good business decision...