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I have made pan-seared duck breast with blood orange sauce.
Mmmmm.
coming back from the famous Jordan's Lobster Dock. Picked up lobster for wife along with fried oysters and chips. due to the poor trip I had here, I have picked up a burger for myself, as I wanted to get on my way home sooner rather than later.
Evening all, what did I miss?
new York ponycon setup. Tomorrow is the first day of the con for me.
So, in 5E DMG, at least, for the 4E "core" pantheon, I've confirmed that Avandra is a renamed (and "altered") Tyche, and presumed to be one of the gods; Tyche is, of course, the "base" goddess that split to create Tymora and Beshaba.
In the 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (really? really? ugh), however, it lists both Beshaba and Tymora as separate entities on page 80, though they're nothing more than one-line entries (and there is no Avandra - SO MUCH FOR CONSISTENCY ACROSS SETTINGS, GUYS).
So... hm.
So, in 5E DMG, at least, for the 4E "core" pantheon, I've confirmed that Avandra is a renamed (and "altered") Tyche, and presumed to be one of the gods; Tyche is, of course, the "base" goddess that split to create Tymora and Beshaba.
In the 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (really? really? ugh), however, it lists both Beshaba and Tymora as separate entities on page 80, though they're nothing more than one-line entries (and there is no Avandra - SO MUCH FOR CONSISTENCY ACROSS SETTINGS, GUYS).
So... hm.
FR is the base setting for 5th Ed?
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Wait... People are actually bothering with reading Forgotten Realm novels?!
Who would want to spoil great game setting like Toril with something as crappy as TSR/WotC appropved FR books...
This actually used to be a major problem on the FR NWN server that I play and administrate and Scint DMs on. The staff would regularly end up in arguments with players who had read some of the more obscure novels and wanted to pull stuff that had happened in them, even if it contradicted the lore that was available in the core books for the setting. People would be really really irritable about it, too. "It happened in the novels! Don't your read the novels?! I thought this was an FR server!"
We ended up adding a ruling that, in addition to our server timeline starting at a certain year and ignoring all canon beyond that point including anything 4e and beyond, the novels were considered non-canon as well and couldn't be used to justify, explain, or otherwise encourage activity like that. Anything that made the jump from novels to setting books prior to the cutoff date of course excepted (so no, we didn't suddenly un-invent Drizzt or anything, but our setting's in Cormyr and the nearby Dalelands so he's nowhere nearby).
FR is the base setting for 5th Ed?So, in 5E DMG, at least, for the 4E "core" pantheon, I've confirmed that Avandra is a renamed (and "altered") Tyche, and presumed to be one of the gods; Tyche is, of course, the "base" goddess that split to create Tymora and Beshaba.
In the 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (really? really? ugh), however, it lists both Beshaba and Tymora as separate entities on page 80, though they're nothing more than one-line entries (and there is no Avandra - SO MUCH FOR CONSISTENCY ACROSS SETTINGS, GUYS).
So... hm.
WOTC has been heading this way for a while, I think. 4e's base setting added a couple of FR deities to its core (Bane off the top of my head and one or two others), and kind of put Greyhawk aside. I'd not be surprised at all to find 5e just went whole hog and straight to making FR the core setting.
FR is the base setting for 5th Ed?
Not that I can tell, at least not at present.
It is the first setting in 5E, however, as their first AP is entirely set within the 'Realms.
Instead, I was just describing information I'd learned by perusing the 5E DMG, and the cross-checking that with the 4E FRCG.
The 5E DMG just describes the 4E Pantheon in brief as a way of describing where the deities came from, and notes that Avandra (goddess of luck and change in the 4E setting) is really just a renamed and altered version of Tyche.
What it doesn't say, is that Tyche is canonically the mother/self of both Tymora and Beshaba.
So, on the surface, it would seem like 4E had made Tyche out of Tymora and Beshaba again, but the 4E book Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide lists them as different entities. Hence, 4E did not actually mush them together as a single goddess again.
(I don't know what the default pantheon is in the 5E Player's Handbook.)
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Wait... People are actually bothering with reading Forgotten Realm novels?!
Who would want to spoil great game setting like Toril with something as crappy as TSR/WotC appropved FR books...
This actually used to be a major problem on the FR NWN server that I play and administrate and Scint DMs on. The staff would regularly end up in arguments with players who had read some of the more obscure novels and wanted to pull stuff that had happened in them, even if it contradicted the lore that was available in the core books for the setting. People would be really really irritable about it, too. "It happened in the novels! Don't your read the novels?! I thought this was an FR server!"
We ended up adding a ruling that, in addition to our server timeline starting at a certain year and ignoring all canon beyond that point including anything 4e and beyond, the novels were considered non-canon as well and couldn't be used to justify, explain, or otherwise encourage activity like that. Anything that made the jump from novels to setting books prior to the cutoff date of course excepted (so no, we didn't suddenly un-invent Drizzt or anything, but our setting's in Cormyr and the nearby Dalelands so he's nowhere nearby).
Removing the wheat from the chaff, but dining upon the latter and burning the former. Hmph.
Still, I know how crazy such games can be. You have to draw a line somewhere, and it sounds like you made a wise and fair choice.
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Removing the wheat from the chaff, but dining upon the latter and burning the former. Hmph.Wait... People are actually bothering with reading Forgotten Realm novels?!
Who would want to spoil great game setting like Toril with something as crappy as TSR/WotC appropved FR books...
This actually used to be a major problem on the FR NWN server that I play and administrate and Scint DMs on. The staff would regularly end up in arguments with players who had read some of the more obscure novels and wanted to pull stuff that had happened in them, even if it contradicted the lore that was available in the core books for the setting. People would be really really irritable about it, too. "It happened in the novels! Don't your read the novels?! I thought this was an FR server!"
We ended up adding a ruling that, in addition to our server timeline starting at a certain year and ignoring all canon beyond that point including anything 4e and beyond, the novels were considered non-canon as well and couldn't be used to justify, explain, or otherwise encourage activity like that. Anything that made the jump from novels to setting books prior to the cutoff date of course excepted (so no, we didn't suddenly un-invent Drizzt or anything, but our setting's in Cormyr and the nearby Dalelands so he's nowhere nearby).
Not exactly. We (the staff) have on several occasions since commiserated about how a lot of things would have been simpler if we'd gone with a custom setting of our own creation, or a less canonically-stringent one like Greyhawk. The main reason we haven't changed it is the ten years' playing and server history, and the fact that a great many of our players came to us BECAUSE we were an FR server.
Not exactly. We (the staff) have on several occasions since commiserated about how a lot of things would have been simpler if we'd gone with a custom setting of our own creation, or a less canonically-stringent one like Greyhawk. The main reason we haven't changed it is the ten years' playing and server history, and the fact that a great many of our players came to us BECAUSE we were an FR server.Removing the wheat from the chaff, but dining upon the latter and burning the former. Hmph.Wait... People are actually bothering with reading Forgotten Realm novels?!
Who would want to spoil great game setting like Toril with something as crappy as TSR/WotC appropved FR books...
This actually used to be a major problem on the FR NWN server that I play and administrate and Scint DMs on. The staff would regularly end up in arguments with players who had read some of the more obscure novels and wanted to pull stuff that had happened in them, even if it contradicted the lore that was available in the core books for the setting. People would be really really irritable about it, too. "It happened in the novels! Don't your read the novels?! I thought this was an FR server!"
We ended up adding a ruling that, in addition to our server timeline starting at a certain year and ignoring all canon beyond that point including anything 4e and beyond, the novels were considered non-canon as well and couldn't be used to justify, explain, or otherwise encourage activity like that. Anything that made the jump from novels to setting books prior to the cutoff date of course excepted (so no, we didn't suddenly un-invent Drizzt or anything, but our setting's in Cormyr and the nearby Dalelands so he's nowhere nearby).
has the time come to create your own world and setting?
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I still need to get on there...
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You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.
has the time come to create your own world and setting?Not exactly. We (the staff) have on several occasions since commiserated about how a lot of things would have been simpler if we'd gone with a custom setting of our own creation, or a less canonically-stringent one like Greyhawk. The main reason we haven't changed it is the ten years' playing and server history, and the fact that a great many of our players came to us BECAUSE we were an FR server.Removing the wheat from the chaff, but dining upon the latter and burning the former. Hmph.Wait... People are actually bothering with reading Forgotten Realm novels?!
Who would want to spoil great game setting like Toril with something as crappy as TSR/WotC appropved FR books...
This actually used to be a major problem on the FR NWN server that I play and administrate and Scint DMs on. The staff would regularly end up in arguments with players who had read some of the more obscure novels and wanted to pull stuff that had happened in them, even if it contradicted the lore that was available in the core books for the setting. People would be really really irritable about it, too. "It happened in the novels! Don't your read the novels?! I thought this was an FR server!"
We ended up adding a ruling that, in addition to our server timeline starting at a certain year and ignoring all canon beyond that point including anything 4e and beyond, the novels were considered non-canon as well and couldn't be used to justify, explain, or otherwise encourage activity like that. Anything that made the jump from novels to setting books prior to the cutoff date of course excepted (so no, we didn't suddenly un-invent Drizzt or anything, but our setting's in Cormyr and the nearby Dalelands so he's nowhere nearby).
I've long since done so for my PnP games, as I've posted here before.
The server on the other hand has decided to stick with our "heavily modified" FR setting, after several propositions for altering it have been shot down.
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You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.
That isn't a typo, by the way.
I still need to get on there...
Dude yes you do =) Flag me down on skype or something!
I have no skype, and I must stream...
You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
It'd probably be a solo game.
It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
Robots would be involved.
I have no skype, and I must stream...
Aw.
Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).
Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
Elvis Gale would figure prominently.
Elvis Gale would figure prominently.Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
And there'd be an NPC named Scotty who always needs more of something, as he writes. (You'd meet him in a dungeon, naturally.)
Hm. That is actually more of a solid proto-plot/game than I thought it would be, when I first started that.
(None of those are typos, by the way.)
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Holy s***, today's Kingmaker was pretty epic.
I'll have to give the details of what happened next time, though.
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ORTHOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS~! *shakes fist*
The daggum ProBoard Website Terms of Service is daggum enormous and annoying at a time when my daggum ADD is kicking up like maaaaaaaaaaaaaad~! /whine
>:/
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And there'd be an NPC named Scotty who always needs more of something, as he writes. (You'd meet him in a dungeon, naturally.)Elvis Gale would figure prominently.Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
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You tempt me, sir. Greatly.
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And there'd be an NPC named Scotty who always needs more of something, as he writes. (You'd meet him in a dungeon, naturally.)Elvis Gale would figure prominently.Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way.
And Elminster would solve all the problems. ;)
Met my youngest brother's new girlfriend today.
Seems like a nice girl and a good fit for him.
ORTHOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS~! *shakes fist*
The daggum ProBoard Website Terms of Service is daggum enormous and annoying at a time when my daggum ADD is kicking up like maaaaaaaaaaaaaad~! /whine
>:/
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I AM BECOME HATE, HATER OF HATE HATE.
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That's less than a 15th of what I'm reading just so I can post words in a place! BARG!
EDIT: to fix coding
EDIT 2: I mean, WHAT DO I CARE, that it's laws are the equivalent of a specific segment of California?! It might as well say London, England; or Tel Aviv, Israel for all I know! There is literally no way for me to know all the laws I'm agreeing to. They are, directly, asking me to agree to be bound by a set of laws that I have no ideas about, with no legal recourse (unless, they are sure to specify, there is, which they can't tell me, because they don't know). I mean, the agreement boils down to: don't do anything stupid, and we won't have to guess who's got the rights in court, mmmmmmmmmmmmmm'kay?" which is what most every agreement of this kind boils down to. BLARG.
EDIT 3: to be clear, I'm not angry at ProBoards (the folk who are in charge of that contract), just... contracts. They're dumb. Not because contracts are actually dumb, but because of the number of hoops you have to jump through to get to what you actually want to say.
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And there'd be an NPC named Scotty who always needs more of something, as he writes. (You'd meet him in a dungeon, naturally.)Elvis Gale would figure prominently.Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way....
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You tempt me, sir. Greatly.
... it'll be snooooowwwwww~iinnnnnnng~!
ORTHOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS~! *shakes fist*
The daggum ProBoard Website Terms of Service is daggum enormous and annoying at a time when my daggum ADD is kicking up like maaaaaaaaaaaaaad~! /whine
>:/
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I AM BECOME HATE, HATER OF HATE HATE.
** spoiler omitted **...
Anyway, I'm signed up!
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I AM BECOME HATE, HATER OF HATE HATE.
Man..I don't look so good...maybe I should sit the con out today.
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... it'll be snooooowwwwww~iinnnnnnng~!And there'd be an NPC named Scotty who always needs more of something, as he writes. (You'd meet him in a dungeon, naturally.)Elvis Gale would figure prominently.Gandum, specifically, driven by the sisterhood of the Griffon (fighting Sassy Tam, naturally).Robots would be involved.It'd probably be a solo game.You know, I'm tempted to run an FR game that's almost naked swords with chicks, just for Freehold.That isn't a typo, by the way....
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You tempt me, sir. Greatly.
i..i..NO...I can't, I won't!
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Anyway, I'm signed up!
ARG! NOW I'VE GOTTA SIGN UP FOR NEEEEXXXXXUUUUUSSSS~! *weeps*
EDIT: Okay, I'm pulling out for a while. I'll get you yet, my hakpaks! I'll get youuuu~!
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Anyway, I'm signed up!ARG! NOW I'VE GOTTA SIGN UP FOR NEEEEXXXXXUUUUUSSSS~! *weeps*
EDIT: Okay, I'm pulling out for a while. I'll get you yet, my hakpaks! I'll get youuuu~!
On the one hand, I want to sympathize with your pain. I've yet to meet someone who actually had to read through a contract like that through personal compulsion, so I have no idea what it's like, but I'd feel bad about mocking you for it or just telling you to skip it like I do when I know you can't do that so easily.
On the other hand, your pained reactions are hilarious. =)
Home sick with a sinus bug today. Bluh.
Also big winter storm expected to hit today, so slightly less irked than I would normally be, as I'm already safe at home. Unless it knocks the power out.
Anyway, I'm signed up!ARG! NOW I'VE GOTTA SIGN UP FOR NEEEEXXXXXUUUUUSSSS~! *weeps*
EDIT: Okay, I'm pulling out for a while. I'll get you yet, my hakpaks! I'll get youuuu~!
On the one hand, I want to sympathize with your pain. I've yet to meet someone who actually had to read through a contract like that through personal compulsion, so I have no idea what it's like, but I'd feel bad about mocking you for it or just telling you to skip it like I do when I know you can't do that so easily.
On the other hand, your pained reactions are hilarious. =)
:P
kind of works out, since the nexus forums
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So HAH! Take that everyone who didn't read them! Take that, indeed!
Home sick with a sinus bug today. Bluh.
Also big winter storm expected to hit today, so slightly less irked than I would normally be, as I'm already safe at home. Unless it knocks the power out.
:(
Get better soon!
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Heh. I think I've read through a similar contract at least once, so I basically assume the rest are more or less the same.
Also, longwinded PM sent your way. And probably more to come if you have further questions =)
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Thanks! I'll respond eventually! (I'm bouncing back and forth between reading contracts, checking the forums, doing some chores, and other such things. :D
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BLARGH! HONK!
feels guilty for it being 72 today
Not good enough. It was -26 with wind chill here last night.