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I've been reading up on the 12th level retirement for PFS, and I have a few questions I'd like to pose.
1.) PFS is releasing 12th level modules (ie. the "Eyes of Ten" series). Someone mentioned to me that once a character completes a 12th level set of adventures, afterwards the character can no longer play any other 12th level modules and is truly retired. Is this the case currently?
2.) Paizo has announced that future Pathfinder Modules (not PFS Scenarios) will be compatible for PFS. However, several of these modules that are planned for release are for levels 13+. Does this mean that there will be modules that our characters can play post 12th level, and that they can continue to level up with these modules?
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(1) I am aware of no such restriction
(2) Not all PF mods will be approved for play, only specific ones reviewed by Hyrum. It sounds like their focus is on additional low-level mods to increase the scenario pool, but perhaps we'll see some mid-level ones as well. Do not expect to see anything at or above 12th level. Technically, those characters are "retired." They only come out to play when very special scenarios are released suited to their specific level of skill.
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Yeah, the answer to number 2 is something only the Paizo folks themselves can answer. As for number 1, my fellow Venture-Captain is correct. Once you complete a level 12 arc of module, that character is retired and can only be played in the various "special events" that the Powers That Be decide to release for the purpose of temporarily bringing said characters out of retirement, unless Hyrum and Mark decide to change that bit.
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Each PC may play through one and only one 12th-level arc. After the completion of the four-part series, that PC is "retired" in the sense that there will be no further regular scenarios to play. Details on how to retire a PC and what that means will be covered in the final installment of the Eyes of the Ten arc, as well as in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play around the same time we release the final adventure.
Why can't level 12s keep playing as many level 12 adventures as they want and not get XP and stay level 12?
?Because Mark just said so, LOL
I guess a lot of us were confused as to the official point the PC becomes retired. Seems reaching 12 doesn't retire your character. You become retired (1) after you reach level 12, and (2) complete a level 12 scenario arc.
Let me rephrase: What would it hurt to allow Level 12s to keep playing at level 12, not for just one arc but many?
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Why can't level 12s keep playing as many level 12 adventures as they want and not get XP and stay level 12?
Because there are specific rewards that a PC gets at the end of a retirement arc that preclude their further involvement in normal adventuring. These boons will be covered in the respective concluding adventures of each arc.
Also, we want people to make new PCs and get those PCs up to 12th-level. By forcing retirement at some point, we can hopefully keep people from sitting on their high-level PC forever and thus not participating in low-level play. Each 12th-level arc is much more narrative than the lower-level series, and they are designed to cap an adventurer's career. We want players to give a nice capstone ending to each of their PCs, so the second arc they play through should be with a different character.
The line has to be drawn somewhere, and this is it.
We will have opportunities for retired PCs to adventure in special events and such, though we're not ready to publicly announce any of them beyond that they will exist. At this point, we're five months out from anyone even being able to officially retire, so it's not yet an issue.
Why can't level 12s keep playing as many level 12 adventures as they want and not get XP and stay level 12?
I don't think the Pathfinder Police will hunt you down if you play the level 12 adventures in your home group using your retired character. You just can't officially report them, that's all. But that doesn't matter since they're officially retired anyways and thus they have no need for more gold, prestige points, etc.
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Let me rephrase: What would it hurt to allow Level 12s to keep playing at level 12, not for just one arc but many??Because Mark just said so, LOL
I guess a lot of us were confused as to the official point the PC becomes retired. Seems reaching 12 doesn't retire your character. You become retired (1) after you reach level 12, and (2) complete a level 12 scenario arc.
rumor has it that at the end of eyes of the ten you gain a storryline perk that forces you to retire (possibly your characters become venture-captains or deciembrate) the actual perk has nevr been confirmed, and I think eyes of the ten was still in development when Josh left, so that may have changed slightly.
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I think it would be really cool to have your retired character become a venture-captain at a newly constructed lodge out in some far-away locale. Perhaps with the chance that, in the future, if a scenario is written in that area, your character's name is used in the publication.
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Director of Brand Strategy
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I think it would be really cool to have your retired character become a venture-captain at a newly constructed lodge out in some far-away locale. Perhaps with the chance that, in the future, if a scenario is written in that area, your character's name is used in the publication.
With literally thousands of PCs playing in the campaign, each of which with the potential to reach retirement, this isn't very likely. We have some cool stuff planned though, so stay tuned.
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Why can't level 12s keep playing as many level 12 adventures as they want and not get XP and stay level 12?I don't think the Pathfinder Police will hunt you down if you play the level 12 adventures in your home group using your retired character. You just can't officially report them, that's all. But that doesn't matter since they're officially retired anyways and thus they have no need for more gold, prestige points, etc.
Note, however, that if you play through the second 12th-level arc, even unofficially, it's cheating to then run through it a second time with another PC.
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With literally thousands of PCs playing in the campaign, each of which with the potential to reach retirement, this isn't very likely. We have some cool stuff planned though, so stay tuned.
Very Important Question!
Will Paizo offer a Pension Plan for retiring characters? Or at the least a Gold Wayfinder?...;)
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Will Paizo offer a Pension Plan...
Nope. The pool of old-fart pathfinders will soon exceed the number of n00bs paying into the fund and the society will be bankrupt. The entire economy will collapse as the clerics will no longer receive governmental reimbursements to cover the medical costs inherent in our HMO.
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Note, however, that if you play through the second 12th-level arc, even unofficially, it's cheating to then run through it a second time with another PC.Why can't level 12s keep playing as many level 12 adventures as they want and not get XP and stay level 12?I don't think the Pathfinder Police will hunt you down if you play the level 12 adventures in your home group using your retired character. You just can't officially report them, that's all. But that doesn't matter since they're officially retired anyways and thus they have no need for more gold, prestige points, etc.
Mark & Hyrum,
Do the normal GM rewards rules apply for the 12th level arc?
In other words, I play my existing high-level character (once he hits 12th level) through Eyes of the Ten, then later GM it (or vice versa) for another group of 12th level PCs, do I get to apply the Chronicles to another PC so that once he hits 12th level he immediately gains the EotT rewards and retires?
And, if it is, indeed, a storyline reward, would it apply to the character that was given the Chronicles as GM Rewards?
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Nikolai Adonai, famed Qadiran Cleric of Sarenrae, is now retired. And boy is that vacation deserved after the level 12 arc.
Here's an important question that I haven't read anywhere that it's been resolved. GMs typically don't get boons from GMing scenarios, but is it different for level 12 considering the way the boon system works? I'd hate to think that a GM who retires a character this way isn't even able to access the boons - especially with how difficult and grueling this arc is to prepare for players.
Also, am I still able to spend Prestige to get some of the cool new boons coming out in the updated guide? Or should I just wait until I play Academy of Secrets or modules of that sort?
/So there are 13 of us in the metro ATL area who are now done.
//Most of us are headed to GenCon. Wish there was a level 12 retirement opportunity there, because that would be awesome! Oh well, there's next year.
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There's really nothing to resolve, the GM Reward rules in the Guide are clear that there are no boons or favors received when a GM takes a Chronicle. I consider the boon for finishing the Eyes of the Ten to be sufficiently awesome that it should only be received once. I also hope for a 'retired PC only' scenario next year, but there will need to be a lot more retired (and reported) PCs before this will ever happen.
I don't see why you can't spend prestige after your PC has retired. Logically, you were given faction missions and earned prestige throughout the Tier 12 arc. They wouldn't have bothered to write the missions if you couldn't spend PA following retirement. There's even that last little reward on the Part IV Chronicle. Certainly those PCs have earned the right to claim a title.
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There's really nothing to resolve, the GM Reward rules in the Guide are clear that there are no boons or favors received when a GM takes a Chronicle. I consider the boon for finishing the Eyes of the Ten to be sufficiently awesome that it should only be received once. I also hope for a 'retired PC only' scenario next year, but there will need to be a lot more retired (and reported) PCs before this will ever happen.
Asmodeus darn the rules to Hell, I think an exception should be made for level 12 - especially since the boons are tied to a different system than your regular 1-11 stuff. I mean, it's not like a GM has anything else to do with his retired character that he applies to chronicle sheets to. He receives a boon, so what? I think it is well deserved after seeing what it takes to run the arc. Sure, the arc is for the characters playing, but I think I can speak for my group when saying that the star of the show was our GM Mike Brock for putting it all together and running it so smoothly. The combats are more complex than anything anyone will ever encounter in 1-11 games, and you need to get familiar with some pretty ridiculous stat blocks considering the CRs you're controlling.
Not to mention, the only "official" thing ever said about it was "I don't know." There hasn't been any follow-ups after that, but then again I don't think many folks have made it to this level to where it could've been brought up.
I don't see why you can't spend prestige after your PC has retired. Logically, you were given faction missions and earned prestige throughout the Tier 12 arc. They wouldn't have bothered to write the missions if you couldn't spend PA following retirement.
Well I hope there is something juicy to spend my prestige on then!
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As cool as it would be for the DM to get some sort of boon out of it, I think the rules are pretty clear cut on it, and I wouldn't expect Mark/Hyrum to change it. That being said, you get to DM and play regardless of the order, so said DM can always just not give credit to the PC and play with their 12th level PC. Or give it to a "second" one first for DMing and play through it with who they wanted to later.
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Some will say it is silly, but when this character reaches 12th level, I plan to take a rank or two in Craft (Locksmith) or something like that. I hate to have the character retire from PFS with no way to earn a living. Maybe I take the role-playing a bit too seriously.
You'll get a bed at the Pathfinder Geriatric Heroes Lodge, you'll sip your pea soup, take your sponge bath and you'll like it! Enough talk of this adventuring nonsense!
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Some will say it is silly, but when this character reaches 12th level, I plan to take a rank or two in Craft (Locksmith) or something like that. I hate to have the character retire from PFS with no way to earn a living. Maybe I take the role-playing a bit too seriously.You'll get a bed at the Pathfinder Geriatric Heroes Lodge, you'll sip your pea soup, take your sponge bath and you'll like it! Enough talk of this adventuring nonsense!
*presses button to summon half-orc nurses*
Thanks for the chuckle.
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You'd think at level 12, a Pathfinder would have something to do with the leadership (and training of new Pathfinders), but they'd also have a lot of adventures ahead of them. Why not, they're in their prime and near the apex of their power. It's like training to become the best athlete in the world and then retiring that same year. Makes no sense.
A 4th level Expert could probably do a better job of evaluating new recruits compared to a 12th level Barbarian, and the job would probably be more suitable to them as well.
(Yes, I know we retire at 12th level for campaign reasons, no "in game" reasons.)
