Spring attack


Round 3: Revised Magus Discussion


Does the free melee attack granted by spellstrike qualify for use as the melee attack in a Spring Attack?


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Under nearly all circumstances the answers is no.

Spellstrike is very limited in when it can be used. It is activated by casting a spell, and uses whatever action casting said spell uses. Since Spring Attack is a full round action in its own right, you cannot combine the two (unless the spell in question can be cast as a swift action).

The only time you could use Spellstrike as part of a full round action is when you are using Spell Combat (which is strictly a bad tactical choice) or when you can cast the spell as a swift action (such as if you had quickened it).

Even if you did use a quickened spell, you would basically spring in, get your normal attack, cast the spell as a swift action getting ANOTHER attack, and then spring out again. Not quite what you were thinking about I'd wager.


You can't. Spring Attack is a full round action that gives you an attack. Spellstrike is a modifier to spells being cast.

You can only use spellstrike when you can cast a spell.


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Synapse wrote:

You can't. Spring Attack is a full round action that gives you an attack. Spellstrike is a modifier to spells being cast.

You can only use spellstrike when you can cast a spell.

Very nicely said. :)


Gotta be careful with those, as new material pops. With the proper meta psionic powers can be cast as AoOs... normal spells will eventually be cast through situations where today they can't.


Synapse wrote:

You can't. Spring Attack is a full round action that gives you an attack. Spellstrike is a modifier to spells being cast.

You can only use spellstrike when you can cast a spell.

This is not entirely true. Spellstrike allows you to deliver a touch spell through a weapon as part of a melee attack. It also allows you to replace the free touch attack granted by touch spells with a free melee attack. Spellstrike itself does not require any action. It's part of a melee attack. Whether that attack is a Standard attack, Charge, part of a Full attack, or the free attack granted by the touch spell doesn't matter.

If you cast a spell and hold the charge, you can deliver the spell via Spellstrike whenever you want. (within the limitations of 'Holding The Charge') So, you could cast Shocking Grasp in round 1, hold the charge, then Spring Attack in round 2 and deliver the spell through your weapon as part of a melee attack.

If the spell is swift, you can cast it, hold the charge, then deliver it that same round with Spring Attack.


Quantum Steve wrote:
Synapse wrote:

You can't. Spring Attack is a full round action that gives you an attack. Spellstrike is a modifier to spells being cast.

You can only use spellstrike when you can cast a spell.

This is not entirely true. Spellstrike allows you to deliver a touch spell through a weapon as part of a melee attack. It also allows you to replace the free touch attack granted by touch spells with a free melee attack. Spellstrike itself does not require any action. It's part of a melee attack. Whether that attack is a Standard attack, Charge, part of a Full attack, or the free attack granted by the touch spell doesn't matter.

If you cast a spell and hold the charge, you can deliver the spell via Spellstrike whenever you want. (within the limitations of 'Holding The Charge') So, you could cast Shocking Grasp in round 1, hold the charge, then Spring Attack in round 2 and deliver the spell through your weapon as part of a melee attack.

If the spell is swift, you can cast it, hold the charge, then deliver it that same round with Spring Attack.

You are confusing the triggers. What triggers spellstrike is casting a spell, not attacking.

It's a modifier to casting touch spells, basically. If you can't normally cast a spell, spellstrike does nothing.


Synapse wrote:

You are confusing the triggers. What triggers spellstrike is casting a spell, not attacking.

It's a modifier to casting touch spells, basically. If you can't normally cast a spell, spellstrike does nothing.

I am casting the spell. Nothing in Spellstrike says you "must" use the free attack to deliver it, anymore than you "must" use the free touch to deliver a touch spell.

Spellstrike let's the magus deliver a spell with a range of touch "through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack."
You can still use this ability while holding a charge.


You can cast a spell 1 round and use spring attack the next round and deliver a touch attack. You cannot cast a spell the same round you use spring attack.


Ah, I missed your bit about holding the charge. You're right on that bit.

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Holding the charge on a Spellstriked touch spell in conjunction with a Spell Storing weapon could give you a real nice spring attack for the first round of combat.


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Synapse wrote:

You are confusing the triggers. What triggers spellstrike is casting a spell, not attacking.

It's a modifier to casting touch spells, basically. If you can't normally cast a spell, spellstrike does nothing.

Yep, You're right. Quantum Steve has it backwards it seems.

Shadow Lodge

Ravingdork wrote:
Synapse wrote:

You are confusing the triggers. What triggers spellstrike is casting a spell, not attacking.

It's a modifier to casting touch spells, basically. If you can't normally cast a spell, spellstrike does nothing.

Yep, You're right. Quantum Steve has it backwards it seems.

Spell Strike is a standard action. So you can make a move action and use spell strike. Spring attack is not listed as a full action, unless I missed the errata, but shot on the run is as is charge so it would make sense it is a full action.


Decorus wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Synapse wrote:

You are confusing the triggers. What triggers spellstrike is casting a spell, not attacking.

It's a modifier to casting touch spells, basically. If you can't normally cast a spell, spellstrike does nothing.

Yep, You're right. Quantum Steve has it backwards it seems.
Spell Strike is a standard action. So you can make a move action and use spell strike. Spring attack is not listed as a full action, unless I missed the errata, but shot on the run is as is charge so it would make sense it is a full action.

It is a full-round action that lets you move your speed and attack anytime in the middle of that movement.

Shadow Lodge

Synapse wrote:
Decorus wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
Synapse wrote:

You are confusing the triggers. What triggers spellstrike is casting a spell, not attacking.

It's a modifier to casting touch spells, basically. If you can't normally cast a spell, spellstrike does nothing.

Yep, You're right. Quantum Steve has it backwards it seems.
Spell Strike is a standard action. So you can make a move action and use spell strike. Spring attack is not listed as a full action, unless I missed the errata, but shot on the run is as is charge so it would make sense it is a full action.
It is a full-round action that lets you move your speed and attack anytime in the middle of that movement.

Not according to the first edition print:)

It is in the errata....


Decorus wrote:
Spell Strike is a standard action. So you can make a move action and use spell strike. Spring attack is not listed as a full action, unless I missed the errata, but shot on the run is as is charge so it would make sense it is a full action.

Spellsrike is no action, rather it is a part of another action.

Spellstrike allows a Magus to deliver a touch spell though a weapon as part of a melee attack. Additionally, instead of the free touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, Spellstrike allows the Magus to make one free melee attack with his weapon as part of casting the spell.

So Spellstrike is either part of a spell, or part of an attack if you are holding a charge. If you use Spellstrike to deliver a Quickened Shocking Grasp, the whole thing, attack and all, takes only a swift action, leaving you with the whole rest of your turn to do with as you please.

Caineach wrote:
You can cast a spell 1 round and use spring attack the next round and deliver a touch attack. You cannot cast a spell the same round you use spring attack.

If I cast a spell with a casting time of 1 Swift Action, why can I not Spring Attack that same round? I still have a full-round action.


Quantum Steve wrote:
Decorus wrote:
Spell Strike is a standard action. So you can make a move action and use spell strike. Spring attack is not listed as a full action, unless I missed the errata, but shot on the run is as is charge so it would make sense it is a full action.

Spellsrike is no action, rather it is a part of another action.

Spellstrike allows a Magus to deliver a touch spell though a weapon as part of a melee attack. Additionally, instead of the free touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, Spellstrike allows the Magus to make one free melee attack with his weapon as part of casting the spell.

So Spellstrike is either part of a spell, or part of an attack if you are holding a charge. If you use Spellstrike to deliver a Quickened Shocking Grasp, the whole thing, attack and all, takes only a swift action, leaving you with the whole rest of your turn to do with as you please.

Caineach wrote:
You can cast a spell 1 round and use spring attack the next round and deliver a touch attack. You cannot cast a spell the same round you use spring attack.
If I cast a spell with a casting time of 1 Swift Action, why can I not Spring Attack that same round? I still have a full-round action.

Correct right now. I just started a new thread that I hope gets read to discuss the cheese of getting a free melee attack from casting quickened shocking grasp. I'm sure it is not something that is intended.

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