Translation - Damn it, girl! Call your father! ;)Cell phones are a GREAT way of staying on target.It's a hard thing to do sometimes. =3I thought this thread was about trying to get a new messageboard section.Stay-on-tar-get...
I. DONT. HAVE. A. PHONE. =P
I've told him this already a few times. Hopefully this weekend.
How about you guys take a shot at discussing Wizards with Ro ... CoDzilla ? ;-)
Ah, but you see, I have all those threads shut down, because gaming theory discussions don't interest me in the slightest. That's the magic of the little triangles. I prefer to kludge along in my sloppy play style and let those interested hash out the mechanics as they please.
Translation - Damn it, girl! Call your father! ;)Cell phones are a GREAT way of staying on target.It's a hard thing to do sometimes. =3I thought this thread was about trying to get a new messageboard section.Stay-on-tar-get...I. DONT. HAVE. A. PHONE. =P
I've told him this already a few times. Hopefully this weekend.
How are you going to do that now that you're snowed in?
:S
*bump*
Any thought from any admins? Yea or nay?
Please.+1*bump*
Any thought from any admins? Yea or nay?
+4
This sure would be a great Christmas present.
Translation - Damn it, girl! Call your father! ;)Cell phones are a GREAT way of staying on target.It's a hard thing to do sometimes. =3I thought this thread was about trying to get a new messageboard section.Stay-on-tar-get...I. DONT. HAVE. A. PHONE. =P
I've told him this already a few times. Hopefully this weekend.How are you going to do that now that you're snowed in?
:S
We weren't snowed in. By Saturday afternoon everything was accessible again.:)
We weren't snowed in. By Saturday afternoon everything was accessible again.:)Translation - Damn it, girl! Call your father! ;)Cell phones are a GREAT way of staying on target.It's a hard thing to do sometimes. =3I thought this thread was about trying to get a new messageboard section.Stay-on-tar-get...I. DONT. HAVE. A. PHONE. =P
I've told him this already a few times. Hopefully this weekend.How are you going to do that now that you're snowed in?
:S
Heh, when ever it snows I become a bear, stayin in my nice warm cave away from nasty snow.
Removed some posts. Please keep it civil.Sorry. I'm just closing it all but my pbp's until I can calm down.
Hi, I consult, here's my card.
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How do I spell relief?
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Hmmm. OTD gets subforums.... there's something so wrong about that... yet I can't DEFINE it.
Hmmm. OTD gets subforums.... there's something so wrong about that... yet I can't DEFINE it.
There's chaos and then there's TM.
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And yes please, +1/Avocadro's Number, for subforums in OTD. Just two would do it: one for "Serious Business" and one for "Unrestrained Jackernapery". Post in either subforum, and if one section ain't to one's liking, arrow it closed.
Edit: Maybe a non-sequitur, but hiring a software developer badger would make the transition easier. And aren't badgers officially a minority in the American workforce? :)
Smurfy questions:
Did giving 4E its own subforum stop the edition wars or just concentrate them in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
Silly questions:
Did giving 4E its own subforum stop the edition wars or just concentrate them in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
I resent that remark! All my activities are by definition incredibly serious business.
Silly questions:
Did giving 4E its own subforum stop the edition wars or just concentrate them in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
I resent that remark! All my activities are by definition incredibly serious business.
<Slaps archfiend with jellyfish>
<Runs off giggling>
Raaargh!
<Runs off after Lucinda>
...Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
...Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
Vitriol needs fuel and an audience. These would be lessened with the clicking of the magic triangle. It's also why some people don't think it's such a great idea.
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...Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
I'd still rather 'they' not be given a place that gives the appearance of legitimacy to people who just want to bash certain folks.
I'd still rather 'they' not be given a place that gives the appearance of legitimacy to people who just want to bash certain folks....Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
Isn't this already happening? At least cordoning them off would allow them to be hidden by just clicking the arrow. If people still decide to click through and wade into the fray, then it would be by their choice... for everyone else, it's out of sight, out of mind.
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Isn't this already happening? At least cordoning them off would allow them to be hidden by just clicking the arrow. If people still decide to click through and wade into the fray, then it would be by their choice... for everyone else, it's out of sight, out of mind.I'd still rather 'they' not be given a place that gives the appearance of legitimacy to people who just want to bash certain folks....Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
A problem hidden behind closed doors, is not a problem solved.
A problem hidden behind closed doors, is not a problem solved.Isn't this already happening? At least cordoning them off would allow them to be hidden by just clicking the arrow. If people still decide to click through and wade into the fray, then it would be by their choice... for everyone else, it's out of sight, out of mind.I'd still rather 'they' not be given a place that gives the appearance of legitimacy to people who just want to bash certain folks....Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
Depends on the problem. Here's an example that seems pertinent. My father likes to argue politics. He doesn't care what side he argues. He finds the argument itself entertaining. I find it grating and insane. I have long since accepted that I am never going to change him. When he starts in on one of his rants I walk into another room. He gets to enjoy his arguing time and I don't have to listen to it or get sucked in. Thus the problem is no longer a problem. And when arguing time is over someone comes and gets me and family get togethers are no longer punctuated by yelling, stomping, and slamming doors.
Now there are some posters who are like my dad. They enjoy a good argument. It's how they unwind. Some posters are like me, too easily sucked in to arguments and then stressed out by them. Providing some separation IS a solution. And a good one I think. Sometimes the problem is just a lack of doors.
Now there are some posters who are like my dad. They enjoy a good argument. It's how they unwind. Some posters are like me, too easily sucked in to arguments and then stressed out by them. Providing some separation IS a solution. And a good one I think. Sometimes the problem is just a lack of doors.
+1 to this. And I don't think of the political/religious/sports debates as a 'problem'. Rather, like Lynora, I'd rather not get sucked into them. The same way I don't frequent websites like Daily Kos or Rightwingnews. I know they are out there, but it is my descision not to travel there. The P/R/S threads in OTD are right in your face, often with lurid titles designed to pull you in. This is where I come to relax. I don't care what y'all think politically/religiously/sports-wise or how much 1337 math you bring to the game theory table. I just wanna play games.
To answer Charles25's question re 4e: I don't know if the vitriol has ameliorated. You know why? Because I haven't SEEN any of it since I closed the 4e subforum up more than a year ago. Thus, instead of being subjected to some of the worse troll jackanapery on this board I don't see it. I am pretty sure though, that it can't be as bad as in 2008. I know I'm not the only person who triangled that whole mess up. I also triangled up the Words Of Power playtest. Why? Because before it even started I KNEW it would be a trainwreck. The same with the Superstar threads. Thus, I don't see the inflammatory thread headings, and I can rest easier. I am real close to triangling up the General Discussion forum right now.
Also, I am sure that most of the poodles, smurfs, etc. would stay out. The only reason they appear is because people are trying to derail a flamewar. Having a subforum specifically designed for such inflammable subjects (or spinning off a subforum for the less inflammatory subjects) would allow both sides their space.
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Now there are some posters who are like my dad. They enjoy a good argument. It's how they unwind. Some posters are like me, too easily sucked in to arguments and then stressed out by them. Providing some separation IS a solution. And a good one I think. Sometimes the problem is just a lack of doors.+1 to this. And I don't think of the political/religious/sports debates as a 'problem'. Rather, like Lynora, I'd rather not get sucked into them. The same way I don't frequent websites like Daily Kos or Rightwingnews. I know they are out there, but it is my descision not to travel there. The P/R/S threads in OTD are right in your face, often with lurid titles designed to pull you in. This is where I come to relax. I don't care what y'all think politically/religiously/sports-wise or how much 1337 math you bring to the game theory table. I just wanna play games.
To answer Charles25's question re 4e: I don't know if the vitriol has ameliorated. You know why? Because I haven't SEEN any of it since I closed the 4e subforum up more than a year ago. Thus, instead of being subjected to some of the worse troll jackanapery on this board I don't see it. I am pretty sure though, that it can't be as bad as in 2008. I know I'm not the only person who triangled that whole mess up. I also triangled up the Words Of Power playtest. Why? Because before it even started I KNEW it would be a trainwreck. The same with the Superstar threads. Thus, I don't see the inflammatory thread headings, and I can rest easier. I am real close to triangling up the General Discussion forum right now.
Also, I am sure that most of the poodles, smurfs, etc. would stay out. The only reason they appear is because people are trying to derail a flamewar. Having a subforum specifically designed for such inflammable subjects (or spinning off a subforum for the less inflammatory subjects) would allow both sides their space.
Interestingly, the 4e board is a pretty quiet and civil place now. Whether the segregation or simply time did the trick, I don't really know.
I also suggest that maybe, to avoid confusuion, the OTD section should be divided and labelled as "Unretrained Jackernapery" (as discussed above) and "Frothing Biliousness" (or maybe OCD instead of OTD) for the serious section. That way, it's really clear which bit to close down for both oldtimers and newcomers. And, if the 4e section is an exemplar, we therefore draw the poison and everyone is happy.
Also, I am sure that most of the poodles, smurfs, etc. would stay out. The only reason they appear is because people are trying to derail a flamewar. Having a subforum specifically designed for such inflammable subjects (or spinning off a subforum for the less inflammatory subjects) would allow both sides their space.
I don't think a discussion board on serious topics should be assumed to be a discussion board of flame wars. People ought to be adult enough to discuss serious topics without flaming.
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I don't think a discussion board on serious topics should be assumed to be a discussion board of flame wars. People ought to be adult enough to discuss serious topics without flaming.Also, I am sure that most of the poodles, smxrfs, etc. would stay out. The only reason they appear is because people are trying to derail a flamewar. Having a subforum specifically designed for such inflammable subjects (or spinning off a subforum for the less inflammatory subjects) would allow both sides their space.
Experience suggests otherwise. While not every topic in a "Serious Business" section would necessarily be flame bait, enough would be that it might be nice to segregate the silly stuff so people don't have to see forest fires in the section they go to to tell silly jokes to each other (which is what used to happen on the OTD section). And it has been split before, when word games got their own section.
A problem hidden behind closed doors, is not a problem solved.Isn't this already happening? At least cordoning them off would allow them to be hidden by just clicking the arrow. If people still decide to click through and wade into the fray, then it would be by their choice... for everyone else, it's out of sight, out of mind.I'd still rather 'they' not be given a place that gives the appearance of legitimacy to people who just want to bash certain folks....Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?Personally, I'd rather it all be concentrated in one spot than spread across the boards tainting/infecting everything else here. And perhaps concentrating it in one location would make it easier to keep moderated?
This seems an unrealistic goal to me. Paizo should solve the problems of their products and the running of their business, not personal and social problems of this magnitude. (Assuming, that is, that you see a problem to begin with.)
I don't think a discussion board on serious topics should be assumed to be a discussion board of flame wars. People ought to be adult enough to discuss serious topics without flaming.Also, I am sure that most of the poodles, smurfs, etc. would stay out. The only reason they appear is because people are trying to derail a flamewar. Having a subforum specifically designed for such inflammable subjects (or spinning off a subforum for the less inflammatory subjects) would allow both sides their space.
Since it was I rather than Lynora who said that, I will just echo what Aubs said. While in a perfect world, people should be able to level-headedly debate either side of an issue, experience shows that John Gabriel's Greater Internet F#~@wad Theory is actually what occurs. Some of us would rather not see it. If you (the royal you) feel the need to post serious topics and discuss them, all we ask is a way NOT to see them. However it is accomplished.
Interestingly, the 4e board is a pretty quiet and civil place now. Whether the segregation or simply time did the trick, I don't really know
I would assume it is a little from Column A, and a bit from Column B. While not a 4e player, I always tried to pour oil on the waters of those early nuclear threads. Since I always thought arguing about a game, even a cherished one like D&D, was a waste of time and caused needless aggrivation. People will play what they want to play, and mechanics are just a shared-communications tool allowing people to interact in a gaming arena.
Now, it got to the point where I just got frustrated with iteration X of the '4e murdered my dog and spit on my mother' thread and the roaring back of the defenders saying much the same about Paizo and Pathfinder, so I opted out. Posting in those threads wasn't helping. If anything, participating was just keeping the flames burning.
I feel much the same about political/religious/sports discussions. While I very much enjoy debating these lines of thought (except the sports), I have come to believe that discussing them with Internet anonymous folks is a recipe for high blood pressure. And I'm tired of the passive-aggressive post-twisting methodology of the Internet trolls. So, once again, I plead for a separating of the OTD into two distinct subforums.
If a troll doesn't have an audience, is it still a troll?
BUMP 4 SERIOUSBUZNIZ SUBFORM!
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Silly questions:
Did giving 4E its own subforum stop the edition wars or just concentrate them in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
Is it reasonable to draw an analogy asking if giving 'serious business' its own subforum would stop certain posting, or just concentrate it in super-vitriolic form in a few places?
I resent that remark! All my activities are by definition incredibly serious business.
Mine too! Except when I'm heckling Mairkurion -- but then again, *nobody* takes him seriously, anyway. ;P
I'm sssuper ssserious.
Hey, don't put Gentlegiant onto that list. I thought it was good idea too. Thanks! ;)Emperor7 wrote:
....I'm not sure if I can name more than a dozen CONSISTENTLY abrasive posters.
Aberzombie wrote:
You need a LIST.It'd be rude to make a list of the names of the trolls that tend to get on the nerves of the others in the OTD. However, the first letters of their names I don't think would be inappropriate.
S......
B......
K......
L......
Z......Not too hard to figure it out if you think about it.
1. Because everyone will definitely the the same people on their list. Which leads to:
2. You forgot G......
3. Finally, this list was a great idea. :/
Wohoo! I'm on a list! I'm (in?)famous! :-p
Wohoo! I'm on a list! I'm (in?)famous! :-pWho are you again? :)
*sob!*
Oh the inhumanity, the despair, the agony!
This sure would be a great Christmas present.
On the first day of Christmas dear Paizo gave to me, a subform that I can hide!
This sure would be a great Christmas present.On the first day of Christmas dear Paizo gave to me, a subform that I can hide!
On the second day of Christmas,
dear Paizo gave to meTwo of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!
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This sure would be a great Christmas present.On the first day of Christmas dear Paizo gave to me, a subform that I can hide!On the second day of Christmas,
dear Paizo gave to me
Two of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!
On the third day of Christmas
dear Paizo gave to me
Three new high level NPC's
Two of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!
This sure would be a great Christmas present.On the first day of Christmas dear Paizo gave to me, a subform that I can hide!On the second day of Christmas,
dear Paizo gave to me
Two of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!On the third day of Christmas
dear Paizo gave to me
Three new high level NPC's
Two of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!
On the fourth day of Christmas
Dear Paizo gave to me
Four cool campaign traits,
Three new high level NPC's,
Two of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!
On the fifth day of Christmas,
Dear Paizo gave to me:
Four cool campaign traits,
Three new high level NPC's,
Two of Lilith's cookies,
and a subforum that I can hide!