
Tacticslion |

No, it's definitely O-Chul. Galahad is cool and all, but the Authurian Legend is kind of a downer, despite its ending in some amount of glory.
Certainly Galahad is the best in his omniverse, however! :D
No. O-Chul is a much more badass Paladin.
I'm uncertain if you're attempting to agree or disagree with me - but you are, effectively, agreeing with me. :)

Lord Fyre RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

Tacticslion wrote:No, it's definitely O-Chul. Galahad is cool and all, but the Authurian Legend is kind of a downer, despite its ending in some amount of glory.
Certainly Galahad is the best in his omniverse, however! :D
Lord Fyre wrote:O-Chul is a much more badass Paladin.I'm uncertain if you're attempting to agree or disagree with me - but you are, effectively, agreeing with me. :)
I think I was agreeing and providing evidence for what you were saying.

Tacticslion |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

Tacticslion wrote:I think I was agreeing and providing evidence for what you were saying.Tacticslion wrote:No, it's definitely O-Chul. Galahad is cool and all, but the Authurian Legend is kind of a downer, despite its ending in some amount of glory.
Certainly Galahad is the best in his omniverse, however! :D
Lord Fyre wrote:O-Chul is a much more badass Paladin.I'm uncertain if you're attempting to agree or disagree with me - but you are, effectively, agreeing with me. :)
Awesome! English can be funny, so it's always best to be sure to clarify with someone else, if you're not 100% sure! :D
(And yes, O-Chul is the best!)
O-Chul Unites the message boards!O-Chul for President!
I'd vote for him!

Tacticslion |

Tacticslion wrote:guy riding a gray Ythrak?No, he's riding a Sonic Reptilian Unicorn!
(New comic!)
Gah! Beat me to the link by seconds! (You literally posted while I was waiting for this page to load fast enough to post.) Well done!

![]() |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |

Tacticslion wrote:guy riding a gray Ythrak?No, he's riding a Sonic Reptilian Unicorn!
(New comic!)

Andostre |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

Gah! Beat me to the link by seconds! (You literally posted while I was waiting for this page to load fast enough to post.) Well done!
YESSSSSSSS!
Sonic Reptilian Unicorn! - now with a working link!
NOOOOOOOOO!

![]() |

Those two and Hinjo should be showed to all would-be paladin players how to play a paladin and Miko how to not play a paladin...
This made me realize that while Durkon was a pretty good example of how to deal with Paladins (even the Miko-style ones), there is no example in oots of the classic trope of players who do their best to enrage / take advantage of / have the Paladin fall.

Jack of Dust |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |

Drejk wrote:Those two and Hinjo should be showed to all would-be paladin players how to play a paladin and Miko how to not play a paladin...This made me realize that while Durkon was a pretty good example of how to deal with Paladins (even the Miko-style ones), there is no example in oots of the classic trope of players who do their best to enrage / take advantage of / have the Paladin fall.
Didn't Belkar do exactly this? He was even willing to die just to get Miko to fall.

![]() |

The Raven Black wrote:Didn't Belkar do exactly this? He was even willing to die just to get Miko to fall.Drejk wrote:Those two and Hinjo should be showed to all would-be paladin players how to play a paladin and Miko how to not play a paladin...This made me realize that while Durkon was a pretty good example of how to deal with Paladins (even the Miko-style ones), there is no example in oots of the classic trope of players who do their best to enrage / take advantage of / have the Paladin fall.
But I could sympathize with Belkar there :-)
I think of players that would do the same for O-chul and would not stop until he fell. Those are more common actually than those who would have Miko fall IMO.

Jack of Dust |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

Jack of Dust wrote:The Raven Black wrote:Didn't Belkar do exactly this? He was even willing to die just to get Miko to fall.Drejk wrote:Those two and Hinjo should be showed to all would-be paladin players how to play a paladin and Miko how to not play a paladin...This made me realize that while Durkon was a pretty good example of how to deal with Paladins (even the Miko-style ones), there is no example in oots of the classic trope of players who do their best to enrage / take advantage of / have the Paladin fall.But I could sympathize with Belkar there :-)
I think of players that would do the same for O-chul and would not stop until he fell. Those are more common actually than those who would have Miko fall IMO.
Miko was definitely a live grenade. Still, given Belkar's disdain for Paladins in general, he probably would attempt to make other paladins fall if there wasn't always some other pressing matter at hand.

![]() |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

The Raven Black wrote:Miko was definitely a live grenade. Still, given Belkar's disdain for Paladins in general, he probably would attempt to make other paladins fall if there wasn't always some other pressing matter at hand.Jack of Dust wrote:The Raven Black wrote:Didn't Belkar do exactly this? He was even willing to die just to get Miko to fall.Drejk wrote:Those two and Hinjo should be showed to all would-be paladin players how to play a paladin and Miko how to not play a paladin...This made me realize that while Durkon was a pretty good example of how to deal with Paladins (even the Miko-style ones), there is no example in oots of the classic trope of players who do their best to enrage / take advantage of / have the Paladin fall.But I could sympathize with Belkar there :-)
I think of players that would do the same for O-chul and would not stop until he fell. Those are more common actually than those who would have Miko fall IMO.
I think it took Miko's overweening self-righteousness to make Belkar quite so motivated, though. A lot of the other Sapphire Order paladins were far more pleasant to be around; I don't see Belkar going out of his way to tempt/push them into falling.

Tacticslion |

I hate myself for asking this, but...
When she took off the ring of water breathing, wouldn't that still leave her lungs full of water?
Depends on how it works.
Given that it's a smooth transition, unless a lot of energy was spent defying physics and biology in even more complex ways, the easiest explanation is, "Nope." because she doesn't gag or cough or wretch or anything delightful like that when she first enters the water. In which case, the spell probably removes the heavy water and leaves you with fresh air. Hence she floats instead of sinking and holding her breath after removing the ring.
(Though if you rule it the other way, that makes more sense, biologically and physically - it's just you'll be choking for a bit during the transition as your lungs fill up with water.)
EDIT: Don't get me wrong. It's going to be really weird, no matter what. It's just going to make even less sense, due to less-obvious reasons otherwise.

Ross Byers RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |

I hate myself for asking this, but...
When she took off the ring of water breathing, wouldn't that still leave her lungs full of water?
That isn't actually a problem until the next time she tries to breathe air.
They can buddy breathe, passing the ring back and forth every few rounds, for awhile without a problem.

Tacticslion |

I know people IRL that can swim in platemail, so the idea that relatively high level Paladins can do it (or at least the one whose career is based around the water) can doesn't surprise me.
I don't even actually see them swimming. Technically, by RAW, do they sink more than they are, now?

Maneuvermoose |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

Caineach wrote:I know people IRL that can swim in platemail, so the idea that relatively high level Paladins can do it (or at least the one whose career is based around the water) can doesn't surprise me.I don't even actually see them swimming. Technically, by RAW, do they sink more than they are, now?
By RAW, they...uh, aw, crap, now I got to pull out Stormwrack.

PathlessBeth |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Hrmm, the Rules Compendium doesn't say anything about how heavy you need to be to sink, and doesn't even mention sinking in its section on underwater combat. The word "sink" doesn't appear anywhere in the RC.
However, the RC does say
Creatures have firm footing when walking along the
bottom, braced against a ship’s hull, or the like. A creature can walk along the bottom only if it wears or carries
enough gear to weigh itself down—at least 16 pounds for
Medium creatures, twice that for each size category larger
than Medium, and half that for each size category smaller
than Medium.
...and I think that's all the information on the RAW you can get without cracking open Stormwrack, for which I don't have a PDF and am not near my physical copy.