| 1 person marked this as FAQ candidate. |
Is an Eidolone effected by the augment summoning feat?
| 1 person marked this as FAQ candidate. |
How about the spell-like ability Summon Monster?
.
How about the spell-like ability Summon Monster?
Summon Monster I (Sp): Starting at 1st level, a summoner can cast summon monster I as a spell-like ability . . .
- APG, page 56Augment Summoning
Benefit: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that s ummoned it.
- Pathfinder Core, page 118
That does leave things a little hazy. The summoner is using the exact ability "Summon Monster I" including the key word "Summon" which is italicized in the original text. On the other hand, it's technically a spell-like ability rather than a spell.
|
| 1 person marked this as FAQ candidate. |
Is an Eidolon affected by the Augment Summoning feat?Nope.
That should be... Not all the time...
Benefit: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that summoned it.
Summon Eidolon
School conjuration (summoning); Level summoner 2
Casting Time 1 round
Components V, S, M (a silver coin)
Range close (25 f. + 5 f./2 levels)
Target one eidolon
Duration 1 minute/level (D)
Saving Throw none; Spell resistance noYou open a rift between dimensions that summons your eidolon.
Treat this as if you had summoned your eidolon normally, except
that it only remains with you for the duration of this spell. While
summoned in this way, your eidolon cannot touch any creature
warded by protection from evil or a similar effect and your eidolon
can be sent back to its home plane by dispel magic.
If you cast this spell while your eidolon is already on your
plane, this spell has no effect. This spell allows you to summon
your eidolon even if it has been returned to its home plane due
to damage.
Yeah, I know, doesn't make much sense, but there you go...
Is an Eidolon affected by the Augment Summoning feat?Nope.That should be... Not all the time...
Benefit: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that summoned it.Yeah, I know, doesn't make much sense, but there you go...Summon Eidolon
School conjuration (summoning); Level summoner 2
Casting Time 1 round
Components V, S, M (a silver coin)
Range close (25 f. + 5 f./2 levels)
Target one eidolon
Duration 1 minute/level (D)
Saving Throw none; Spell resistance noYou open a rift between dimensions that summons your eidolon.
Treat this as if you had summoned your eidolon normally, except
that it only remains with you for the duration of this spell. While
summoned in this way, your eidolon cannot touch any creature
warded by protection from evil or a similar effect and your eidolon
can be sent back to its home plane by dispel magic.
If you cast this spell while your eidolon is already on your
plane, this spell has no effect. This spell allows you to summon
your eidolon even if it has been returned to its home plane due
to damage.
The issue is that this summon spells says that to treat the summon as though you had summoned it normally, and normally you don't get the advantage of augment summon. It is an exception to the rule written directly into the only spell that can summon it.
The issue is that this summon spells says that to treat the summon as though you had summoned it normally, and normally you don't get the advantage of augment summon. It is an exception to the rule written directly into the only spell that can summon it.
You're reading too much into this. If summoned normally, save for the duration of the summon, it would still take one minute to cast the spell. The eidolon would not be subject to dispel magic. The eidolon could still act through the effects of protection spells. Etc.
The spell may state "Treat this as if you had summoned your eidolon normally ...", but this is invalidated before the statement is even given, and again several times thereafter.
Now with regard to the feat Augment Summoning, the feat changes the effect of summoning spells themselves. A normal summoning spell does not allow for the summon(s) to possess increased ability scores, either. But Augment Summoning provides an added boost in addition to the spell. The same is true in the case of summon eidolon; the feat provides a bonus in addition to the spell itself.
The issue is that this summon spells says that to treat the summon as though you had summoned it normally, and normally you don't get the advantage of augment summon. It is an exception to the rule written directly into the only spell that can summon it.You're reading too much into this. If summoned normally, save for the duration of the summon, it would still take one minute to cast the spell. The eidolon would not be subject to dispel magic. The eidolon could still act through the effects of protection spells. Etc.
The spell may state "Treat this as if you had summoned your eidolon normally ...", but this is invalidated before the statement is even given, and again several times thereafter.
Now with regard to the feat Augment Summoning, the feat changes the effect of summoning spells themselves. A normal summoning spell does not allow for the summon(s) to possess increased ability scores, either. But Augment Summoning provides an added boost in addition to the spell. The same is true in the case of summon eidolon; the feat provides a bonus in addition to the spell itself.
I think the spell is just a way to get access to the eidolon when your class feature does not allow you to do so, but in any event the FAQ button will be used for this one.
I think the spell is just a way to get access to the eidolon when your class feature does not allow you to do so, but in any event the FAQ button will be used for this one.
You're absolutely correct, and I'm not disagreeing with you. In fact, I don't think anyone is. The purpose of summon eidolon is to allow a summoner to call his ally to his side when he would be unable to otherwise, for whatever reason.
The feat Augment Summoning provides an effect separate from the spell. It has no bearing on the spell itself, but provides a benefit to any creature summoned through the use of any summon spell. In any case, if you want to flag this issue for review, I would recommend you look for one of the older posts on this topic and flag that; the subject has been debated repeatedly, and to great extent, before this. Incidentally, those posts have been FAQ-flagged as well, with no response thus far.
I could've swore James or one of the other Paizo staff had ruled that Augment Summoning does work on eidolons and the summon monster SA?