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Not sure I get the countdown.
Heya - if I owe my more reasonable liberal friends an apology for generalizing, I offer one. Please note, I hate generalizations and feel like conservatives are on the receiving end of them more than anyone else. Here at Paizo, over on FB, etc, I feel a distinct level of vitriol, which leads me to oversimplifying some statements whenI don't personally know the folk I am talking to. Some of my liberal friends over at FB have heard the redundant caveat that I use 'liberals' to mean the media, rabid party-first partisans and Democrat leadership, and not necesarily everyone living at center.
But there's no way for you fine folk to know that, so I humbly apoligize.
Only salient point is that Palin is not a moron, and that liberals in the news consistently paint conservatives as dumb. Whatever they accomplish and whatever terms they might use to cloak the insult, they continually call them dumb or not intellectually curious or whatever. It grows tiresome.
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Actually, i think the real meat of the matter is alot of conservative opinion pieces come off as mildy to extremely anti intellectual in tone and wording. So that looks like someone is not includent to think. And i think both sides of the isle are fundementally incorrect. Governmental power is incompatible with individual freedoms both to choose your own lifestyle that is not harming other individuals, and to keep money honestly earned. I note both sides as haveing convictions racked up in corruption scandals at abouth an even rate.
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When the HELL did this become a serious discussion?
It started out as one European guy posting a mildly funny audio clip of an American politician making a slip of the tongue on the radio. Somehow, it ended up as a liberals versus conservatives pissing match.
These forums are where I come to talk to my friends about our common interests, to learn new things, and to blow off steam when my home life gets to be too much. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say that this s~@# has got to go. We're sick of having to look at people's arguments when we want to spend some quality internet time with good folks.
You want to butt heads with someone, go find a goat. Or maybe a brick wall. I know you're all decent human beings, but I am SICK of all of this political dick-waving that's been going on in the OTD forums. It needs to stop. Now.
You want to butt heads with someone, go find a goat. Or maybe a brick wall. I know you're all decent human beings, but I am SICK of all of this political dick-waving that's been going on in the OTD forums. It needs to stop. Now.
*waves*
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8
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You want to butt heads with someone, go find a goat. Or maybe a brick wall. I know you're all decent human beings, but I am SICK of all of this political dick-waving that's been going on in the OTD forums. It needs to stop. Now.
* zips up his fly *
"Ouch!"
* puts his dick away and zips up his fly *
You want to butt heads with someone, go find a goat. Or maybe a brick wall. I know you're all decent human beings, but I am SICK of all of this political dick-waving that's been going on in the OTD forums. It needs to stop. Now.
Allow me to recommend NOT reading threads that are political.
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8
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I'm pretty sure all of them would have disagreed with your split infinitives. These days, only 27% would call you on this usage and even the Oxford considers it acceptable to boldly split what it said should never have been split before.
Grrr... You can split infinitives in English. You can't do it in Latin, and that was why it was suggested grammarians avoid such usage in English, for some reason. That this has become a de facto rule of English aggravates me to no end.
Hehe. Yeah, well, I also ended my sentence with a preposition. I'm such a rebel.
Hehe. Yeah, well, I also ended my sentence with a preposition. I'm such a rebel.
It may not have seemed like I was agreeing with you, but I was!
United States colleges were hurt back in the 60s when a bunch of liberals dodged the draft by going to school.
Yes. Only Liberals dodged the draft by going to school.
When the HELL did this become a serious discussion?
It started out as one European guy posting a mildly funny audio clip of an American politician making a slip of the tongue on the radio. Somehow, it ended up as a liberals versus conservatives pissing match.
These forums are where I come to talk to my friends about our common interests, to learn new things, and to blow off steam when my home life gets to be too much. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say that this s@*& has got to go. We're sick of having to look at people's arguments when we want to spend some quality internet time with good folks.
You want to butt heads with someone, go find a goat. Or maybe a brick wall. I know you're all decent human beings, but I am SICK of all of this political dick-waving that's been going on in the OTD forums. It needs to stop. Now.
Regretfully... Discussions about Politics and religion tends to bring out the worst in people.
United States colleges were hurt back in the 60s when a bunch of liberals dodged the draft by going to school.Yes. Only Liberals dodged the draft by going to school.
Both sides also dodged the draft by joining the national guard or moving to Canada or Australia.... see Mel Gibson above (in fairness he was way to young to be drafted... but his father was worried it would happen).
Its funny watching from the outside .... You have the Conservatives squealing like stuck pigs every time somebody calls them dumb yet the are more than happy to label the "liberals" traitorous and un-American.
The Conservatives have all the resources of the major news networks behind them such as FOX and they can go to town on peoples reputations...
Then you have your "Liberals" spluttering about like frogs on crack unable to do jack in office because they paralysed by the fear of upsetting people.
They make the conservative rhetoric true because they don't have the guts to be as ruthless as the conservatives were when they were in government.
The same in Australia the Left flounce around they don't refute the critics in the strongest terms and they don't get the message of what they are trying to do across strongly enough.
Lack of strength of conviction is the problem...
Damn I had been doing so good avoiding any threads with LT. Oh well, it was bound to happen eventually.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Now you know why I try to stay out of 'em too.
Slight Vietnam rant
Watching SP Alaska, my thoughts were "Thank the Divine I don't have kids, and extra thanks I don't have daughters." Say what you will, but the Palins have cute kids.
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RPG Superstar 2013
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I have cute kids. Ranging from adorable to smoking. It's a freaking nightmare. I don't recommend it. You can't stay mad at them, you can't let your guard down, and you have to get back in shape because one day, a boy will have to die, and close work doesn't leave GSR.
I think people take jokes like the OP to heart ebcasue a lot of us conservatives are tired of the ad hominem repertoire. Maybe the OP didn't mean it to be anything more than an amusing single event, and certainly there are bad egg conservatives trhat don't contribute to worthwhile dialogue. But on tv, in movies, on discussion thread, and unfortunately the floor of the Capitol Dome, conservatives are routeinly called dumb and have their smallest mistakes blown out of proportion. Media aversion to the 57 states comment is just one example. It gets more serious.
And I agree that sometimes conservatives can come off as non0eggheads. The problem I ahve with that is that around the center-left, heavily influenced by the entertainment industry, fails to recognize that they are real people and not groomed, nuanced liars. I hope no Republican candidate ever resembles John Kerry in terms of arrogance or polished deceit, but I'd like to see the country recognize you can be smart and have commonality with the rest of us instead of having to be some Hollywood-crafted statesman who actually has no clue what he's talking about (Gore, Biden, Kerry, Obama).
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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personal attack?If that was directed at me... A) I stay out of them for my own blood pressure and B) Someone has a very over inflated opinion of themselves.
Sometimes I get sucked in.
Yes, that was directed at you. And, yes, you made a personal attack at me.
Now, if you're going to stop sniping, I'm willing to turn the other cheek and pretend it never happened.
*laugh* it only happened in your own mind. Thank you for proving B for me.
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8
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To liberals, liberals are super-smart no matter how strong the prrof that they are average intellects given polish, and conservatives are stupid, even if they reinspire a national economy, win the cold war, or can allegedly steal an entire election.
William Safire! (Took me a while to remember his name.) No one ever called William Safire stupid, did they? (God bless his libertarian conservative, etymology-loving soul.)
Now you know why I try to stay out of 'em too.
Slight Vietnam rant
** spoiler omitted **Watching SP Alaska, my thoughts were "Thank the Divine I don't have kids, and extra thanks I don't have daughters." Say what you will, but the Palins have cute kids.
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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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With freakishly thin skin...Now you know why I try to stay out of 'em too.
Slight Vietnam rant
** spoiler omitted **Watching SP Alaska, my thoughts were "Thank the Divine I don't have kids, and extra thanks I don't have daughters." Say what you will, but the Palins have cute kids.
I think Tammy Bruce points out where the freakishly thin skinned are.
And Gawker's still upset that they mocked SP then got hoisted by their own petard.
Edit: And I get to hear my friend's teenagers not only using the word 'gay' but those commercials as well.
Of course I find the controversy about Willow's remarks kind of queer myself. :-)
Damn I had been doing so good avoiding any threads with LT. Oh well, it was bound to happen eventually.
You wrote that post for no other reason than to make a personal attack. This thread will run much better if everyone avoids making personal attacks.
Now you know why I try to stay out of 'em too.
Matthew is agreeing with LilithsThrall that these threads become full of personal attacks.
LilithsThrall thinks Matthew is agreeing with JMD031 that threads with LT are bad threads.
hahhhahahah
With freakishly thin skin...Now you know why I try to stay out of 'em too.
Slight Vietnam rant
** spoiler omitted **Watching SP Alaska, my thoughts were "Thank the Divine I don't have kids, and extra thanks I don't have daughters." Say what you will, but the Palins have cute kids.
I think Tammy Bruce points out where the freakishly thin skinned are.
United States colleges were hurt back in the 60s when a bunch of liberals dodged the draft by going to school.Yes. Only Liberals dodged the draft by going to school.Both sides also dodged the draft by joining the national guard or moving to Canada or Australia.... see Mel Gibson above (in fairness he was way to young to be drafted... but his father was worried it would happen).
Its funny watching from the outside .... You have the Conservatives squealing like stuck pigs every time somebody calls them dumb yet the are more than happy to label the "liberals" traitorous and un-American.
The Conservatives have all the resources of the major news networks behind them such as FOX and they can go to town on peoples reputations...
Then you have your "Liberals" spluttering about like frogs on crack unable to do jack in office because they paralysed by the fear of upsetting people.
They make the conservative rhetoric true because they don't have the guts to be as ruthless as the conservatives were when they were in government.
The same in Australia the Left flounce around they don't refute the critics in the strongest terms and they don't get the message of what they are trying to do across strongly enough.
Lack of strength of conviction is the problem...
I would argue that the political left has controlled print and TV with the exception of FOX for decades in America. As the media has become more polarized every major TV news outlet in America has become blatantly left leaning to the point of actively campaigning for Obama and the left wing agenda.
It doesn't bother me so much that they are so partisan, but it annoys me to no end that they are too lazy to make even a token effort at fact checking.
Jon Stewart agrees.With freakishly thin skin...Now you know why I try to stay out of 'em too.
Slight Vietnam rant
** spoiler omitted **Watching SP Alaska, my thoughts were "Thank the Divine I don't have kids, and extra thanks I don't have daughters." Say what you will, but the Palins have cute kids.
I think Tammy Bruce points out where the freakishly thin skinned are.
I think it's a bit more tricky than that. While I feel that the comments I heard about Bristol on Dancing with the Stars went way over the line, she wouldn't have been on that show if not for her mom. So, it's like they're supposed to get it both ways. Many other politicians keep their kids out of the limelight, but the Palins have a reality show? I mean, go one way or the other with this - stop trying to sit on the fence. Palin wants us to see her as a family mom, but we shouldn't look at her family?
If anybody is responsible for this, it is the Palin family who put themselves in the limelight.
I'd rather the focus be exclusively on Sarah and everyone else be ignored.
I think you make a valid point, but all politicians kids are out there to some degree in this day and age. I think we need to make a real effort to leave minor children out of the political blood letting. If we scrutinize every government employee's kid's facebook traffic and personal e-mails I'm sure we could find ways to attack them, but I think this is a very bad bad thing. I'm sure it will come down to this habit of attacking a candidates kids in our current political environment, but I wish it were otherwise.
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Performance error (slip of the tongue); not competence error (knowledge). She should get a pass on this one.Like all of the other ridiculous things she's said? No, there's a precedence for stupidity here.
My fellow Americans in all 57 states, the time has changed for come. With our country founded more than 20 centuries ago, we have much to celebrate – from the FBI’s 100 days to the reforms that bring greater inefficiencies to our health care system. We know that countries like Europe are willing to stand with us in our fight to halt the rise of privacy, and Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s. And let’s face it, everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma and they end up taking up a hospital bed. It costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early, and they got some treatment, and ah, a breathalyzer, or an inhalator. I mean, not a breathalyzer, ah, I don’t know what the term is in Austrian for that…
Seems there's plenty of precedent for stupidity in our politicians...
The children of public figures are off limits. Anyone who forgets that should be unilaterally ostracized. Sadly, we're going to go further down that road I guarantee it.
I think it is funny, discussing politics on a web forum where everything is made contentious. These people can argue for hundreds of posts about something like "Charisma affecting appearance"... how could we hope to have any conversation of substance about politics?
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I hope no Republican candidate ever resembles John Kerry in terms of arrogance or polished deceit, but I'd like to see the country recognize you can be smart and have commonality with the rest of us instead of having to be some Hollywood-crafted statesman who actually has no clue what he's talking about (Gore, Biden, Kerry, Obama).
So true that the GOP doesn't have anyone who could be perceived in the same way (*cough* Reagan, Palin, W *cough*). Worshiping the most perfect party sure has its benefits (in addition to never being wrong)! Particularly since their candidates are perfect, unlike other politicians from other political parties, who probably rape dogs and beat old ladies in their spare time.
I just hope that I never become so partisan that I can no longer see shades of gray or fail to understand that it's more complicated than us against them.
For the rest of you, I just hope you get the hell off my lawn. And learn not to post in LT threads.
I hope no Republican candidate ever resembles John Kerry in terms of arrogance or polished deceit, but I'd like to see the country recognize you can be smart and have commonality with the rest of us instead of having to be some Hollywood-crafted statesman who actually has no clue what he's talking about (Gore, Biden, Kerry, Obama).So true that the GOP doesn't have anyone who could be perceived in the same way (*cough* Reagan, Palin, W *cough*). Worshiping the most perfect party sure has its benefits (in addition to never being wrong)! Particularly since their candidates are perfect, unlike other politicians from other political parties, who probably rape dogs and beat old ladies in their spare time.
Agreed.
I never understood how anyone could see ANY of those people as trustworthy. These are people who have the means and desire to become president. It is not possible for a decent, respectable, non-celebrity person to do that. (and Reagan is the only truly "hollywood crafted" one. Memories are short.)
If you think that your guys are different from the other guys in any way other than a very narrow section of policiy and a lot of lofty rhetoric, you need to look closer at your own party. These people are politicians. That they claim to hate politicians does not make them less so. This goes equally for either party. (I'm registered indep)
Read their policies, try to outguess their lies, and at the end of the day, pull the level for the lesser evil. What more can a person do? Well, I guess you can fantasize the existence of honest politicians. But don't choose that and then call others foolish.
I would argue that the political left has controlled print and TV with the exception of FOX for decades in America. As the media has become more polarized every major TV news outlet in America has become blatantly left leaning to the point of actively campaigning for Obama and the left wing agenda.It doesn't bother me so much that they are so partisan, but it annoys me to no end that they are too lazy to make even a token effort at fact checking.
I will give you the celebs but not the studios of the movie industry (the studios will suck up to whom ever is in government or looks like they will be in government)...
I think US will be further polarised by their politics until somebody truly talented comes along (I don't see anybody left or right with the skills or talent or lack of tarnish waiting in the wings)... sadly the amount of cash and compromise required to become president makes it more difficult for this to happen. You will probably have another decade or two of mediocre to infective government before you get somebody who can change things.
If you think that your guys are different from the other guys in any way other than a very narrow section of policiy and a lot of lofty rhetoric, you need to look closer at your own party. These people are politicians. That they claim to hate politicians does not make them less so. This goes equally for either party. (I'm registered indep)Read their policies, try to outguess their lies, and at the end of the day, pull the level for the lesser evil. What more can a person do? Well, I guess you can fantasize the existence of honest politicians. But don't choose that and then call others foolish.
Ahhh for the Republican party of Good Lincolns day....
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I don't think US politics are really all that polarized. Sure, there's an awful lot of shouting going on, but there isn't a whole lot of diversity of opinion. We nearly have a one party system.
I think US will be further polarised by their politics until somebody truly talented comes along (I don't see anybody left or right with the skills or talent or lack of tarnish waiting in the wings)... sadly the amount of cash and compromise required to become president makes it more difficult for this to happen. You will probably have another decade or two of mediocre to infective government before you get somebody who can change things.
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