Anything better than the iPad out there?


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LazarX wrote:
What appeals to me about the iPad is that I can handle it the way Capt. Kirk handled his PADDs. :) For me the touch screen is the make or break of the device, if I want a keyboard, I have my laptop. I love Android as an operating system, but the tablet hardware I've seen it running has come across as underpowered and overstressed performance wise to me.

For me, I'm looking for a multi-functional device obviously. My wife will use it differently than I do, as will my son. And use will be different in the car versus the house (I won't be using it at work). Being generally expandable versus "throw away" consumer electronics is important too.

And yep on the specs; the Android machines put out last year were under-powered and rushed to market by and large it seems. This year promises some better specs all the way around.

Liberty's Edge

erian_7 wrote:
...For me, I'm looking for a multi-functional device obviously. My wife will use it differently than I do, as will my son. And use will be different in the car versus the house (I won't be using it at work). Being generally expandable versus "throw away" consumer electronics is important too...

Is that due to the nature of your work?

I'm in the military, which is 99% Microsoft. Nonetheless, I've managed to use my iPad in virtually every situation, and have even delivered desk side briefings from it. I use it to take notes at meetings, draw concept sketches I can then email out during a meeting (saving an amazing amount of time because it allows my staff to work on output from a meeting before the meeting even ends).

The other day I finished an Operational Needs Statement (a type of letter asking for stuff) during the meeting, emailed it out, received a response and signature in the form of a PDF, showed it all to the boss before the end of the conference. Instead of trying this on a laptop (and government laptops are more trouble to carry away from a desk than they're worth; and with about two hours of battery life, that means carrying all the associated junk in the laptop bag), I did it all on an iPad, unobtrusively, with no click-clack of a keyboard, and no screen hiding me from everyone else at the table.

As to expandability, I think you have to ask what you want to expand and why. If expandability means changing out processors and adding USB 3, or new graphics chips and an HDMI port, then I would ask that you consider the idea of the result of those types of physical expansions and changes realized as software and applications. If you want a word document to open faster, you may not need a different processor, just a different way in which the application activates and operates--which may be realized via software. If you want to add a faster way to immediately connect with and download or upload information, so you might want to add a USB 3 port, that same function may be realized as a new application which utilizes wifi and packaged data bursts allowing you to transfer files just as fast or faster, but without a physical connection.

Grand Lodge

Andrew, which app do you use for all that? Pages?

Liberty's Edge

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Andrew, which app do you use for all that? Pages?

I use the iWork suite, the standard Notes app, and Penultimate for sketches. They all allow me to email, wifi, straight from the app. Those five apps, (plus iCal, Mail, and Safari, of course), are the most used on my iPad.

Grand Lodge

Hmm, I'll have to see how it turns out with Office. Probably not nearly as simple.


I work for the government as well (Division Director in the VA, about 20 hrs/week are FAR-related activities) and there's no chance an iPad, or any tablet, will be in general use there for probably 2+ years outside specific medical center applications considering how long it takes to evaluate technology for use. Now, my GFE laptop is actually pretty spiffy, goes with me pretty much everywhere, and I can get 3-4 hours of life out of it generally. So, I use it for work needs. With our requirements for data encryption and PKI (and restrictions on WiFi usage), there's no way I'd ever work on a procurement doc on a personal device. I need connection to our enterprise Exchange server, SharePoint, LiveMeeting, etc. as well. Thus, using a tablet at work for anything other than taking notes is pretty much out of the question

So, the tablet for me is purely a personal device, and specifically it's got to serve triple duty between me, my wife, and my son. He'll play games on it during trips, she'll check email/FaceBook and upload photos, and I'll do anything I can get Android to handle for supporting my Pathfinder games.

For expansion, I'm not looking to modify the hardware--I want the best array of hardware possible at a given price-point and have it allow for general plug-and-play expansion. So a device with on-board USB is preferable to requiring a dock. Similarly, a device that can take an SD/microSD card for memory is preferable to locked-in memory in the device (same reason I've never bought an iPod--my Sansa Clip+ costs $40 and can take microSD). Having an HDMI out port on the device hits a lot of our media/entertainment needs. I absolutely refuse to pay hundreds of dollars for a device that will outlive it's usefulness in 1-2 years. So, with the Adam, I get USB, microSD, HDMI, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. all for under $400. So far it's the best thing going for my criteria...

Now, I will say I used to be a Mac fan. Out of college I actually had a PowerMac 9500 and it was great. Somewhere along the way, though, the company lost me in their price point versus actual delivered functionality/features.

Oh, and Notion Ink announced Saturday they've gotten their FCC numbers, so my Adam should be shipping this week!


i'll stick to my eeepc.

I would really dig an Ipad, but the no-usb thing is a dealbreaker.


A lot of the Android tablets I mentioned earlier in the thread were introduced at CES a couple of weeks ago. I haven't checked out all of the contenders, big and small, but brand loyalty and feature set are leading me towards the Motorola Xoom. (Endgadget has a decent hands-on video, but there are others around.)

I still maintain that 10" might be too large for convenient carrying/handling outside, so I'm hoping for a 7" version. But the processor specs, graphics, memory-expansion, and Android 3 OS make it very promising. It's certainly a lot closer to low-power laptop multipurpose functionality than to a phone or an e-reader.

Would love to see more devices of this sort offered in a wifi-only version, or at least make the 3G optional pay-as-you-go. I've heard that Verizon will offer their tablets with the latter option, but who knows what the reality will be.


Mandisa wrote:
Would love to see more devices of this sort offered in a wifi-only version, or at least make the 3G optional pay-as-you-go. I've heard that Verizon will offer their tablets with the latter option, but who knows what the reality will be.

The WiFi-only option was definitely a big draw for me with the Adam. I wouldn't expect the big carriers to push these (at least not at what I'd consider a good price point), however, since the primary money-maker on a lot of hand-held devices is the data plan.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure, LO Special Edition, PF Special Edition Subscriber

iPad is pay as you go...Well month to month anyways. :O)

Sean


There has been a Android Tablet with the NVidia Tegra 2 (Dual Core) processor for about 4 months and about 1/2 the price of most Ipads.

400 bucks, just search for Viewsonic G tab, there at Sears, and can be ordered from Amazon at a discount.

I own one and it's a great piece of hardware, and once it gets Android Honeycomb it will be about equal to the Xoom for 1/2 the price, and NO CONTRACT! :)

I don't do contracts on phones, why would I do them on a tablet?

You will hear the following negatives:

1. The Screen : While it's not as good as a Ipad's screen, it works well and to quote my friend upon seeing my tablet and telling him a lot of people said the screen was the worst part "I don't see what people are complaining about".

2. The Software (added on by Viewsonic) : While this is rather annoying when you first purchase the tablet because the released software add-on to the top of android sucks, looks like a childs toy and slowed down the tablet. But Viewsonic listening to there customers updated the software and allowed users to go to a more standard android look. Also there is custom roms (very standard for phones/tablets/etc, and I have been putting custom roms on my phones/tablets for good part of a decade) which make the tablet a man among boys when it comes to ANY tablet out right now for android.

So anyone looking for a tablet right now that works great for PDF's, surfing the web off WIFI (pfsrd!) and with a good power/price ratio should check it out.

This is atleast 1/3rd the price of the Xoom, and shares 80% or more of the same hardware (meaning updates will be easy at least for custom roms), doesn't need a contract or cellphone service and unlike the Xoom comes easily "unlockable" which is the same as "jailbreaking". The Xoom will be locked and will be hard to "break" for months most likely as Motorola has all ready said they don't care if customers want a open product, they will keep locking theirs down.

edit: Forgot to add the viewsonic has a USB port which lets you plug in keyboards, mice, and USB sticks as well. I have a case for it with a keyboard built in turning it into a mini-laptop or netbook with android OS for 30 dollars, and adding very little "bulk". And from seeing this at my gaming session my friend has all ready stated he will be looking to buy one because it's better than the netbook he uses.


I did check out the gTablet, but the specs were a little under next to the comparably priced Adam. Now, of course to get on board with the Adam you have to be okay with a start-up company and I readily acknowledge some risk there. Si, it's sort of like "paying" for more stuff by accepting the risk that the company won't make it (ViewSonic, of course, is pretty solid in the multimedia/display industry).

I'll get to see if my trust was warranted in a few days, however, as I got my shipping confirmation this week and my box is currently in Hong Kong haded my way.


So do any of these pads have a good drawing app? I'd love a stylus sketch tool so I could actually DRAW on the thing (or modify in photoshop and not have to use a mouse!)


Shifty wrote:
So do any of these pads have a good drawing app? I'd love a stylus sketch tool so I could actually DRAW on the thing (or modify in photoshop and not have to use a mouse!)

They've talked about such for the Adam, but I want to see it/use it before I'll say it's good. It does support layers, which is cool (could be useful for quick game maps, using the HDMI port to shoot it out to an external monitor).


I look forward to your summary :)


Hey everyone, thanks for all the time and effort you've put into your posts here in this thread (and thanks Panda40 for starting it).

As I read through the posts, I saw references to some tablets / slates / PDAs / whatevahs I'd not seen seen ... so I did a few quick searches and stumbled upon a really awesome comparison table here (which is awesomesauce, just for the graphic).

Still, it didn't compare / contrast the Adam, so I searched a bit more. I found a few very intriguing (if sloppy / jerky) videos from last year's CES. Regardless, the Adam looked stellar: great screen, ports all over, HDMI out, and what seemed a usable / coolio UI.

I eventually ended at goodreader.com, which had some very detailed reviews on the Adam (as well as many other tablets). It's a site I've bookmarked, and know I'll be returning to again.

Unfortunately, it looks like the Adam's got huge potential but still has a great many software issues to shake-out. Those can take 2-3 months ... those can never happen. It's hard to tell.

I'm still thinking I'm going to have to get an iPad2 in April to view my Pathfinder PDFs.

Any other contenders you folks have seen?

-- Andy


I got my Adam! I'll say up front because I know it's the greatest interest--I side-loaded Aldiko (they provide a direct link to the installer), imported my entire Pathfinder collection (that's pretty much everything thanks to my charter subscriber status), and immediately had an entire virtual bookshelf full of glorious Pathfinder goodness! Of course, I wanted to stress test the thing so I went straight for the core rules PDF. It opened faster than my laptop, scrolls marvelously, and has one-touch access to the table of contents for quick jumps. It is a beautiful, beautiful thing! I tried a few other readers--ironically but not surprisingly the slowest was the actual Adobe app--and so far Aldiko ranks as the top contender for my needs on the Adam.

Now, with that said, I'll turn to the overall package. I got mine on Thursday and it pretty much sucked up the rest of my time that day. I already knew from reading about other folks' experiences that a update patch was coming to address some initial over the air (OTA) update glitches and other findings. So, I spent the ext two days messing around with things, finding out which apps (like Aldiko) I'd want to check out, but not planning to seriously test the Adam out until I got the patch. It arrived on Saturday, with very easy instructions for application. So, I updated the device, rebooted, and went straight into putting it through the paces. The buggy bits that had been reported--the GPS, mail accounts not working quite right, etc.--were all working fine after the update. I got my Gmail account synced up for mail, contacts, and calendar. I then side loaded the SlideMe app for access to their market, loaded Angry Birds for my son, added the YouVersion Bible app for my ministry needs, and loaded the Dolphin Browser HD for an alternate browser comparison (I'm still torn between it and the native browser). Finally, I put the Photoshop Express app on for photo editing (works great!), Flash Player 10.1 for web sites, and the YouTube app for native HD support. So far I haven't had any problems with any of these. Oh, and I loaded Shortyz Crossword app for my mother-in-law.

With these all working, I turned my attention to the now-functional GPS. The OsmAnd app that comes with the device does have the ability to download nice vector maps for tons of places, but I've found it a bit slow. So, I loaded Google Maps, Google Sky Map, and Google Earth. This is were I hit my first glitch, as the Google Earth app didn't play nice. It messed up several other apps, so I decided this would be a good time to try out a rebuild. I had saved all the .apk files (the app install files) to a microSD card and had no personal data not already synced to Google, so I used the update procedures to wipe the device and reload everything--it took under 15 minutes to get back to my exact same state as before Google Earth! Mind you, I think I could have simply reinstalled the corrupted apps but thought this was a good thing to check out. So, back to the mapping...Google Maps hums along marvelously, tracking my position very accurately and spitting out navigation routes just like I'd expect. The Sky Map similarly hums along and my wife was suitably impressed. As I understand it, the 5.1 release of Google Maps will even support off-line maps like OsmAnd but I haven't tried that out as yet.

The Adam itself is very nice in-hand. The rounded edge makes it easy to hold like a book or rest on my hands/lap without sliding down. I'm very happy with the picture quality (I've got the LCD version--no need for the PixelQi bit and I'd rather let that tech mature a bit more), though I will say applying the shipped screen protector was irritating. That bit won't ultimately matter as I've got a Skinomi TechSkin shipping in now. It can belt out tobyMac and The Dead Weather very nicely over the speakers and I've got my Rhapsody account fully functional so my muisic options are huge. I've used my USB mouse, two USB drives, and a microSD card so far as plug ins. Oh, and plugging it directly into my laptop works great as well for file transfer. I haven't yet tried out the HDMI or Bluetooth features, but did rip one of our Phineas and Ferb DVDs to play an episode and it worked great.

Oh, I have noticed one oddity. The battery usage keeps showing Call Standby as the biggest drain--odd since this is a WiFi only unit with no 3g. I've tried turning on Airplane Mode to shut this down, but it hangs up. I've sent a tech support query in to check on this, but even with that I've not had to plug the device in at all during the day (I habitually plug all sorts of electronics in each night--part of my OCD traits).

I'm very pleased with the Adam...for $375 + shipping, it's doing absolutely everything I expected it to. Getting all these things working is probably a bit much for users that aren't comfortable with technology/gadgets, so I definitely think they'll need either Android Market loaded before going full retail or else partner with another source (like Slide Me) for getting apps if their own Genesis market isn't open.

So, there it is. Let me know if you've got any other questions!

EDIT: Oh, and Good eReader has been very handy for finding lots of info on the apps I needed.


erian_7, thanks for the post and the detailed follow-up.

I'm pleased your Adam's working out so well for you, and you found the Good e-Reader link of use.

I visited notionink's website, and couldn't find any place to actually check pricing or place an order. I'm guessing you participated in one of pre-order programs?

Thanks again for your time.

-- Andy


Andrew Tuttle wrote:

erian_7, thanks for the post and the detailed follow-up.

I'm pleased your Adam's working out so well for you, and you found the Good e-Reader link of use.

I visited notionink's website, and couldn't find any place to actually check pricing or place an order. I'm guessing you participated in one of pre-order programs?

Thanks again for your time.

-- Andy

Yep, I was in the first round of pre-orders. The second round is going on now, but you need an invite as they still have limited capacity.

Prices are:

  • LCD + WiFI - $375
  • LCD + 3g and WiFI - $425
  • PixelQi + WiFI - $499
  • PixelQi + 3g and WiFI - $550

Grand Lodge

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erian_7 wrote:


Now, I will say I used to be a Mac fan. Out of college I actually had a PowerMac 9500 and it was great. Somewhere along the way, though, the...

That's funny. I always considered the PowerMac era of that time to be the low point in Apple design especialy in the consumer as opposed to pro market. It's actually more recently that Apple has become competitive with other topflight makers as far as computing power per dollar ratio. And being number 3 behind HP and Dell for desktops isn't bad. At the moment they are about 10 percent market share which is the best they've been since the Apple 2 era. In the overall computer market they're at 20 percent.


LazarX wrote:
erian_7 wrote:


Now, I will say I used to be a Mac fan. Out of college I actually had a PowerMac 9500 and it was great. Somewhere along the way, though, the...
That's funny. I always considered the PowerMac era of that time to be the low point in Apple design especialy in the consumer as opposed to pro market. It's actually more recently that Apple has become competitive with other topflight makers as far as computing power per dollar ratio. And being number 3 behind HP and Dell for desktops isn't bad. At the moment they are about 10 percent market share which is the best they've been since the Apple 2 era. In the overall computer market they're at 20 percent.

The 9150 wasn't great, but I loved that 9500 (it was the 9500/200 model). Now, we had it for professional purposes in a start-up company so it definitely wasn't priced in the personal PC range. Macs definitely seemed to go down hill after that with the generic hardware usage (this was pre-return of Jobs, of course).

For their revitalization over the last several years, it's undeniable that they've done a stellar job at marketing their product, making a very easy UI, etc. and that has translated to a significant increase in their user base. However, as they've also become somewhat of a "status" item, their price to performance/function ratio has gone out of whack for my uses. For a music player, for example, I refuse to get an iPod with locked-in memory when I can get a Sansa Clip+ for $40 with a MicroSD slot.


Andrew Tuttle wrote:

Hey everyone, thanks for all the time and effort you've put into your posts here in this thread (and thanks Panda40 for starting it).

As I read through the posts, I saw references to some tablets / slates / PDAs / whatevahs I'd not seen seen ... so I did a few quick searches and stumbled upon a really awesome comparison table here (which is awesomesauce, just for the graphic).

Still, it didn't compare / contrast the Adam, so I searched a bit more. I found a few very intriguing (if sloppy / jerky) videos from last year's CES. Regardless, the Adam looked stellar: great screen, ports all over, HDMI out, and what seemed a usable / coolio UI.

I eventually ended at goodreader.com, which had some very detailed reviews on the Adam (as well as many other tablets). It's a site I've bookmarked, and know I'll be returning to again.

Unfortunately, it looks like the Adam's got huge potential but still has a great many software issues to shake-out. Those can take 2-3 months ... those can never happen. It's hard to tell.

I'm still thinking I'm going to have to get an iPad2 in April to view my Pathfinder PDFs.

Any other contenders you folks have seen?

-- Andy

Problem with the comparison you list.. it completely ignores CPU, so the Gtab gets 0 mention of being dual core or twice the total CPU speed of the Ipad, the Galaxy, the Streak, I don't know about the other one mentioned there...

So it's pretty, but misses one of the major points.


Heya Ice_Deep,

Ice_Deep wrote:

Problem with the comparison you list.. it completely ignores CPU ...

So it's pretty, but misses one of the major points.

Well, yeah.

If one of the "major points" to a person buying a tablet in first-quarter 2011 is "CPU," that graphic doesn't provide any comparison.

It also doesn't list colors available (I've met more than one person that won't purchase a phone unless they can get it in Pink), nor "Rated Underwater Depth, in Meters" (I can see folks shopping for a tablet and wondering how waterproof they are; if they are, how far underwater they can take said tablet).

If anything, I was worried I'd be called out here for linking to some teen-aged Indian kid's website. Go figure.

I've been around computers and computing-platforms long enough to know the specific operational ratings of a certain slice of silicon (which includes all that "CPU" stuff) has less to do with the real-world than how that slice of silicon is packaged, supported, and inter-operates with other devices in the ecosystem it's used in (from how the user "uses" it, to how it can communicate with other devices it's connected to, to how it fits into the larger ecosystem, a.k.a. "da intarwebz").

That's assuming it works when I plug it in, out of the box. :D

I'm glad your Viewsonic G Tablet is working out for you.

I still think the graphic's "awesomesauce," because it provided to me at a glance some of the factors I'm actively considering as I look forward to my first "tablet / small-form-factor computing platform with a screen around 10 inches."

But again, I've been around computers and computing-platforms long enough to know it's very tough to find that magic moment when you plunk down hard cash for a piece of hardware (I owned a MessagePad 100, once-upon-a-time) and don't feel the need to defend the purchase of that hardware sometime in the future.

Regards,

-- Andy


I'm looking at upgrading to a tablet. This would be a big upgrade for me, since all I use now is an old Blackberry. I'd still have to keep something for calls--devolving to an old cell phone, probably--but I'll be able to upgrade my websurfing and gmail, and incorporate .pdf storage (Paizo .pdfs, mostly), Facebooking, catching up on TV shows, and some light word processing. I like the 7 inch screen more than the 10 inch screen for portability and utility.

I'm looking at the Galaxy Tab. Can anyone opine on whether it would be good for these things? I have no other Android experience, but it seemed pretty intuitive when I played with one at my local cell phone store.

Grand Lodge

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erian_7 wrote:


For their revitalization over the last several years, it's undeniable that they've done a stellar job at marketing their product, making a very easy UI, etc. and that has translated to a significant increase in their user base. However, as they've also become somewhat of a "status" item, their price to performance/function ratio has gone out of whack for my uses. For a music player, for example, I refuse to get an iPod with locked-in memory when I can get a Sansa Clip+ for $40 with a MicroSD slot.

That's funny. I always thought that it was during the 9500 era that Apple's Performance/Price ratio was at it's lowest. Right now the Macbook is on a competitive price ration when you compare it to comparable products such as top of the line Dells. The Mac Minis have been seeing substantial improvements of late to the point where you can do some decent gaming work comparable to what you could get in a wintel box at the same price.


Ice_Deep wrote:

There has been a Android Tablet with the NVidia Tegra 2 (Dual Core) processor for about 4 months and about 1/2 the price of most Ipads.

400 bucks, just search for Viewsonic G tab, there at Sears, and can be ordered from Amazon at a discount.

I own one and it's a great piece of hardware, and once it gets Android Honeycomb it will be about equal to the Xoom for 1/2 the price, and NO CONTRACT! :)

I don't do contracts on phones, why would I do them on a tablet?

You will hear the following negatives:

1. The Screen : While it's not as good as a Ipad's screen, it works well and to quote my friend upon seeing my tablet and telling him a lot of people said the screen was the worst part "I don't see what people are complaining about".

2. The Software (added on by Viewsonic) : While this is rather annoying when you first purchase the tablet because the released software add-on to the top of android sucks, looks like a childs toy and slowed down the tablet. But Viewsonic listening to there customers updated the software and allowed users to go to a more standard android look. Also there is custom roms (very standard for phones/tablets/etc, and I have been putting custom roms on my phones/tablets for good part of a decade) which make the tablet a man among boys when it comes to ANY tablet out right now for android.

So anyone looking for a tablet right now that works great for PDF's, surfing the web off WIFI (pfsrd!) and with a good power/price ratio should check it out.

This is atleast 1/3rd the price of the Xoom, and shares 80% or more of the same hardware (meaning updates will be easy at least for custom roms), doesn't need a contract or cellphone service and unlike the Xoom comes easily "unlockable" which is the same as "jailbreaking". The Xoom will be locked and will be hard to "break" for months most likely as Motorola has all ready said they don't care if customers want a open product, they will keep locking theirs down.

edit: Forgot to add the viewsonic has a USB port which lets you plug...

Could you please post a video of your G-Tablet going through the Core Rulebook or similarly graphic intensive pdf?

Are the pages viewable, without having to zoom in on each individual page?

How well does the G-Tablet perform under game session like circumstances? I.E. scanning for specific passages, or as a reference document?

What about when you have multiple books open, like say the Core, APG, Bestiary, and AP?

Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure, LO Special Edition, PF Special Edition Subscriber

Anything better?

iPad 2 maybe...

Just an opinion. :O)

Grand Lodge

thenorthman wrote:

Anything better?

iPad 2 maybe...

Just an opinion. :O)

Specwise the iPad 2 seems to almost have caught up to the Motorola Xoom, almost.

Grand Lodge

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Andrew Betts wrote:
thenorthman wrote:

Anything better?

iPad 2 maybe...

Just an opinion. :O)

Specwise the iPad 2 seems to almost have caught up to the Motorola Xoom, almost.

Kind of like the way a Porsche almost catches up to an oldstyle Volkswagon Bug.


LazarX wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
thenorthman wrote:

Anything better?

iPad 2 maybe...

Just an opinion. :O)

Specwise the iPad 2 seems to almost have caught up to the Motorola Xoom, almost.
Kind of like the way a Porsche almost catches up to an oldstyle Volkswagon Bug.

Good anaology;

iPad2/Porsche - very pretty, goes fast, costs an arm and leg and when it breaks down it cost another arm and leg to fix.

Xoom/old-style Volkswagon Bug - Reliable, dependable, hardly ever breaks down and when it does you can fix it yourself.

Liberty's Edge

The Xoom only comes in 32 GB size. it retails for $599.99 for the 3G model. $799.99 For the Wi Fi only model.

The Ipad 2 32 GB size is 729.99 for the 3g, 599.99 for wi fi. The old Ipad 32 GB just dropped 100 bucks from those.

Grand Lodge

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WelbyBumpus wrote:

I'm looking at upgrading to a tablet. This would be a big upgrade for me, since all I use now is an old Blackberry. I'd still have to keep something for calls--devolving to an old cell phone, probably--but I'll be able to upgrade my websurfing and gmail, and incorporate .pdf storage (Paizo .pdfs, mostly), Facebooking, catching up on TV shows, and some light word processing. I like the 7 inch screen more than the 10 inch screen for portability and utility.

I'm looking at the Galaxy Tab. Can anyone opine on whether it would be good for these things? I have no other Android experience, but it seemed pretty intuitive when I played with one at my local cell phone store.

Software wise, the iPad, especially the Two is ahead on media formats. It gives you access to TV shows via both iTunes and Netflix. The larger size is considerably more practical for viewing full page PDFs as well as personal writing.

Grand Lodge

CapeCodRPGer wrote:

The Xoom only comes in 32 GB size. it retails for $599.99 for the 3G model. $799.99 For the Wi Fi only model.

The Ipad 2 32 GB size is 729.99 for the 3g, 599.99 for wi fi. The old Ipad 32 GB just dropped 100 bucks from those.

Looks like the Xoom will be sold at Sam's Club for $539 for Wifi only.


Dale Lee wrote:

Could you please post a video of your G-Tablet going through the Core Rulebook or similarly graphic intensive pdf?

I did a video, but it didn't come out (I am running a beta test of Cyanogen 7 on my G2 and I guess video isn't working yet), I will get one done by updating to a newer CM7, or going back and re-do the video. Here is some links to pics.. though note it's a Cellphone camera so some quality is lost.

I can read text at PDF width to screen at arms length on a Gtab, hopefully you can see well enough in the pics.

Core Cover Picture

Core Text Picture

Dale Lee wrote:


Are the pages viewable, without having to zoom in on each individual page?

Yes, I can easily read the left or right column, though I have to "scroll" up and down on the page as viewing in "Landscape" instead of portrait. Now if you want to look at it in portrait mode your going to have to zoom in, though it's not a issue if you view in landscape.

Dale Lee wrote:


How well does the G-Tablet perform under game session like circumstances? I.E. scanning for specific passages, or as a reference document?

It loads PDF's about as quickly as my laptop, for example loading the Core Rulebook or Gamemastery Guide takes 3-5 seconds, that will allow you to "flip" through the first 3-5 pages depending on which PDF program you use. I prefer EzPDF as it has the ability to use index's/bookmarks.

So if I went to the outline/index and select a page #/item it will take about 3-5 seconds to load.

Dale Lee wrote:


What about when you have multiple books open, like say the Core, APG, Bestiary, and AP?

There is a limitation on EzPDF on opening multiple PDF's, so you have to use multiple PDF programs, I use PDF to GO and EzPDF to keep one rulebook, and my character sheet up on my tablet while playing, and also the offline SRD and don't have any problem switching between all 3.

Dale Lee wrote:


Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

It's not perfect, with the big PDF's, and graphic PDF's you have it takes a little time to load, but it's rather fast. Though any quick rules question I want to look up it's a lot easier to go to the offline srd as I can have the specific page I need in 3-5 seconds instead of 10.

I personally don't have a issue with the few second loading time (multiple people have indicated it's plenty fast), and the PDF quality on the screen is great. Like I said I can hold it all the way out to arms length and read the text in landscape, I don't think I want to read anything further than that.

Also I was surprised to see erian_7's excel sheet loads up in Documents to Go's excel program, so I will see how that works.

Here is a list of applications I use while playing/gming/etc...

PDF = EzPDF, PDF to Go (Documents to Go) - View books, Character Sheets
Offline SRD - Rules questions
Pathfinder Compendium - All Spells, easy lookup
DMTools.org - Many great tools
Myth-weavers.com - Dungeon Generator
rdinn.com - Town Generator
Venture captain - Character generator
Multitouch Paint - Want to draw something, or on a picture/map, go!

At any one time I will normally have Sheets to Go (Character Sheet), EzPDF (One Book), Offline SRD, Multitouch Paint (sometimes), and at least one other web page up with no slow down really at all. And the battery has lasted a 4-5 hour D&D session without plugging in, so it works for me. :)

I have my homepage (1 or 3) setup as a D&D/M&M page, with links to all the above websites, and every major pathfinder book linked on the page for easy opening.

I have dropbox setup to synch all the note I take on my laptop or tablet to sync with my desktop to be emailed to my GM/fellow players for keeping track of party treasure, or campaign notes.

Really I enjoy it, and I hope this helps. I don't know if I can recommend it over the Xoom if price is no object, but if you can't find the Xoom for 450 or so, and the jump to 600-800 is to much then you should get it, or wait until prices drop a bit.

Now in one month if we have honeycomb, well then I will be even happier :) but for now it does everything I want and then some


I'm currently a Verizon subscriber, and they owe me a new phone for giving them so much money the past two years. hehe

So ...

I think I'll head over to the semi-local Verizon store on the 11th of March, push-and-shove a bit, and test-drive / touch the Xoom, the Galaxy, and the iPad2 and sense which one feels good in my hands.

I'll also give a few of the Android phones a some significant hand-time and get a feel for what's-what.

I've heard and read nothing but good about Honeycomb / Android 3.0, but until I swipe a screen I can't really speak for more.

I suspect I'll end up coming home and ordering an iPad2 from the Apple Store. If the iPad2 rocks my world, I'll head over to Wal*Mart and see if they have any before heading home.

But I refuse to discount some of the 'Droid products until I've handled them, especially the Xoom. And if the Xoom feels right, I'll wait a few months and get it, price higher or no.

-- Andy


Hey, good to hear on my sheet working in DtG! I've been focused on keeping the sheet concise and cross-platform compatible and it's encouraging to her that work may pay off in tablet compatibility. Now I'll ahve to get DtG for my Adam!

Your setup sounds similar to what I've done--using one of my Launcher Pro screens as a Pathfinder page, with shortcuts to PDFs, sites, etc. arranged by category. I recently discovered Aldiko will allow a shortcut directly to the PDF, which is very nice. My Smart Shortcut solution looked really nice, but I found that it has some pretty big hits to system performance over time. The direct Aldiko links, however, are working great.


Friend of mine just rooted a Nook Color and put Android on it. Pretty good $250 tablet.


Harmor, any idea of which version of Android your friend parked on her/is Nook?

-- Andy

Shadow Lodge

Andrew Tuttle wrote:

Harmor, any idea of which version of Android your friend parked on her/is Nook?

-- Andy

I picked up a nook when it was on sale for 200. Right now Im running Nookie 2.2 as it seems to be the most stable. Once Cyanogen mod hits an RC for nook, ill switch over. Then, once Honeycomb ASOP hits, that will go on there. So far I love it. It takes 2-4 seconds to switch pages on the graphic intensive Paizo PDFs, but its useable. Really happy with the purchase.


Andrew Tuttle wrote:

Harmor, any idea of which version of Android your friend parked on her/is Nook?

-- Andy

Not sure...but he did tell me he followed the instructions on the Nook Devs website.


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Yes, I can easily read the left or right column, though I have to "scroll" up and down on the page as viewing in "Landscape" instead of portrait. Now if you want to look at it in portrait mode your going to have to zoom in, though it's not a issue if you view in landscape.

Thanks for this I've been looking for a review someone putting pathfinders PDFs on a G-tablet for awhile. Do you have any photos of using pdfs in portrait mode?

Also if you don't mind and have flash working on the tablet can you tell me how marvel digital unlimited looks on it? They have a few free comics every week you should be able to try.

Grand Lodge

Update on the Xoom: WiFi only version comes out March 27 for $599 and will at least be sold by Staples (and probably others obviously).


SkyGuard wrote:
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Yes, I can easily read the left or right column, though I have to "scroll" up and down on the page as viewing in "Landscape" instead of portrait. Now if you want to look at it in portrait mode your going to have to zoom in, though it's not a issue if you view in landscape.

Thanks for this I've been looking for a review someone putting pathfinders PDFs on a G-tablet for awhile. Do you have any photos of using pdfs in portrait mode?

Also if you don't mind and have flash working on the tablet can you tell me how marvel digital unlimited looks on it? They have a few free comics every week you should be able to try.

Remember these are taken with a cellphone camera (though a pretty good one) so there is some quality lose in the images, but it gives you a good idea I hope. :)

Core Book Portrait Cover
Core Book Portrait Image and Text
Core Book Portrait Image and Text Zoomed

Web Comic #1
Web Comic #2
Web Comci #3 (Landscape)

Note, I have The Walking Dead comic and a Comic viewer on my Gtab and it works great, and looks awesome. My friend is a bigger Comic fan than I, but I put it on there just to show him and make him envious as he hates his netbook (his comic viewer).


Thanks a ton Ice-Deep, I've been looking at a lot of different tablet options. How do you find the screen is on the G-Tab's? I understand the viewing angles are weak. What type of battery life are you getting with it?


SkyGuard wrote:
Thanks a ton Ice-Deep, I've been looking at a lot of different tablet options. How do you find the screen is on the G-Tab's? I understand the viewing angles are weak. What type of battery life are you getting with it?

It's not the best, mainly it's only a issue if your trying to show someone something on the screen you have to adjust OR in portrait mode it can be more of issue (so I hear, I 99.9% use in landscape mode).

I personally have the a folio case with a "kickstand" which lets me set it on my knee and use it one handed, or set it on a table and have the perfect viewing angle (in landscape) just by setting it on any flat surface. Now trying to set it in your lap (flat to your legs) you get some gray-scale (polaration?) going on, but it's still viewable. Mainly you have to understand it has to be stood, or held up and not laid flat to be viewable as you would normally expect. Now you can set it on a table and view it (did this while cooking once) but you have to stand almost over the tablet to have the correct viewing angle, which is why I enjoy the kickstand.

The battery life is better than most laptops(keep in mind I can only speak for the custom rom - Vegan 5.1, which Viewsonic has basically endorsed). I know in the settings/programs it registers as a 3600 battery which is huge (thus the tablet is pretty heavy), I have heard reports of 10 hours of pretty heavy use and it still having juice. I personally have used mine, and not plugged in for 5-6 hours, with 3-4 hours of use and it have 30-40% of it's battery left. So I think battery life is as good as about any portable big screen device with this much power.


Well after reading a ton about the G-tab, and trying out a xoom at the verizon store. I'm going to give the G-tab a try. A large part due the the crazy deal on it today over at woot. Thanks Ice_deep for all you help. I will try to put a post with my impressions of using it for role playing once I get it.


SkyGuard wrote:
Well after reading a ton about the G-tab, and trying out a xoom at the verizon store. I'm going to give the G-tab a try. A large part due the the crazy deal on it today over at woot. Thanks Ice_deep for all you help. I will try to put a post with my impressions of using it for role playing once I get it.

$285 for the gTablet...wow. If you were in the market for a non-3G iPad this is really tempting.


Glad to be of help, yep the Woot deal is great and I wish I had gotten mine at that price :)

If you have any issues I check here pretty often and will help if you start a new topic, or you can always check out XDA.

Edit: Note on battery life, gameday went 11 hours without plugging in my tablet, and still had 30% battery :), how is that for battery life?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure, LO Special Edition, PF Special Edition Subscriber
harmor wrote:
SkyGuard wrote:
Well after reading a ton about the G-tab, and trying out a xoom at the verizon store. I'm going to give the G-tab a try. A large part due the the crazy deal on it today over at woot. Thanks Ice_deep for all you help. I will try to put a post with my impressions of using it for role playing once I get it.

$285 for the gTablet...wow. If you were in the market for a non-3G iPad this is really tempting.

Nice comparisons.

But why do they compare it to a 3G model when the gTablet doesn't even have 3G on it? I can understand the comparison if it did but other wise it screams trying to inflate a price of the iPad to readers.

Of course I do have a WiFi only version 64 GB.

Sean


thenorthman wrote:
harmor wrote:
SkyGuard wrote:
Well after reading a ton about the G-tab, and trying out a xoom at the verizon store. I'm going to give the G-tab a try. A large part due the the crazy deal on it today over at woot. Thanks Ice_deep for all you help. I will try to put a post with my impressions of using it for role playing once I get it.

$285 for the gTablet...wow. If you were in the market for a non-3G iPad this is really tempting.

Nice comparisons.

But why do they compare it to a 3G model when the gTablet doesn't even have 3G on it? I can understand the comparison if it did but other wise it screams trying to inflate a price of the iPad to readers.

Of course I do have a WiFi only version 64 GB.

Sean

Bad thing is it's wrong on some accounts..

Gtab does have a light sensor

Gtab does have a accelerometer

as examples, I didn't look over every detail but caught those 2.

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