Hobgoblins have it rough.
They are seen as dull, unimportant, and weak.
All because they have yet to be featured in an Adventure Path!
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I'm totally with you. It's unfortunate Hobs in D&D have always been so bland. I hope Paizo will kick them up a notch after the good stuff they've done with goblins. IMC Hobgoblins have always been the major villians. They are organized and ruthless. Ready to crush all lesser races beneath their jackboots. If Orcs are the Hells Angels, Hobgoblins have the potential to be the Nazis of fantasy realms. Major baddies.
I for one welcome our new Hobgoblin overlords.
I've always seen Hobgoblins like evil Spartans. (Well... even MORE evil Spartans).
This is why we need some more direct examples of how to apply the description of the Hobgoblin that is in the Bestiary to actual play.
How do we make it work?
This is why we need some more direct examples of how to apply the description of the Hobgoblin that is in the Bestiary to actual play.How do we make it work?
Actually, we just started up a monster campaign and most of our party is playing Hobgoblins. The rules our DM laid out was we only got what was under “Play as Characters”. Sure, that is designed for making NPCs for the DM, but he felt it would be fine in letting PCs use it.
So what that entailed for us was adding +2 to Dex and Con to our point buy (20), and then having Darkvision. No added levels.
So far it has worked out well and we are far from being too strong. We just hit 2nd level.
*SPOILERS*
Maybe you should try the module called The Red Hand of Doom from James Jacob. It's D&D 3.5, not Pathfinder, but it's still awesome, and there's A LOT of hobgoblins in it. (;
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As he said, he is aware of The Red Hand of Doom. Just didn't count it because it is very hard to find.
As he said, he is aware of The Red Hand of Doom. Just didn't count it because it is very hard to find.
Oh sorry, I didn't saw the blue print. Then I guess I'm lucky, because I just picked up The Red and of Doom at a local gaming store a few months ago. :D
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Spoiler:Maybe you should try the module called The Red Hand of Doom from James Jacob. It's D&D 3.5, not Pathfinder, but it's still awesome, and there's A LOT of hobgoblins in it. (;
You can make better spoilers on these messageboards.
You can *reply* to my quote to see what I have done.
The Hobgoblins in CLassic Monsters Revisited are pretty cool. They're definitely biding their time for an AP.
So what that entailed for us was adding +2 to Dex and Con to our point buy (20), and then having Darkvision. No added levels.
Don't forget the +4 Stealth bonus. That helps as well. Or did they lose that in PFRPG?
I have been playing a Hobgoblin for almost a year now in one of our GM's games and it has been a blast.
Completely agree they need to get more spotlight time. Claudio Pozas did a nice Roman-Legion-esque Hobgoblin painting once (nice fantasy artist) which gave me a lot of idea's for playing one.
Also love that the greatest empire to have ever covered the world in Eberron was the Hobgoblin one.
So what that entailed for us was adding +2 to Dex and Con to our point buy (20), and then having Darkvision. No added levels.Don't forget the +4 Stealth bonus. That helps as well. Or did they lose that in PFRPG?
I have been playing a Hobgoblin for almost a year now in one of our GM's games and it has been a blast.
Completely agree they need to get more spotlight time. Claudio Pozas did a nice Roman-Legion-esque Hobgoblin painting once (nice fantasy artist) which gave me a lot of idea's for playing one.
Also love that the greatest empire to have ever covered the world in Eberron was the Hobgoblin one.
Oh no, you're right, the +4 Stealth bonus as well.
Really having a lot of fun playing a monster, you have to be careful in where you go and who you talk to. Even the basic supplies is hard enough to get a hold of right now. Although we are setting up means to take care of that. Our 'tribe' (or society) we have established is getting to be pretty self sufficient.
However, magic items is pretty much out of the question now. But, will be taking care of that soon enough as I plan on going down the creation feats route.
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I'm totally with you. It's unfortunate Hobs in D&D have always been so bland. I hope Paizo will kick them up a notch after the good stuff they've done with goblins. IMC Hobgoblins have always been the major villians. They are organized and ruthless. Ready to crush all lesser races beneath their jackboots. If Orcs are the Hells Angels, Hobgoblins have the potential to be the Nazis of fantasy realms. Major baddies.In my own personal setting Hobgoblins are a major faction. I present them as a disciplined warrior nomad culture who get around on dire boars. Kind of like Mongol raiders with a solid hierarchy and order.
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+1 I don't use boars, just horses. It is fun to run them as real LE military types. I remember the panic on the player's faces when their wizard cut lose with magic missile.
"One bark's to the others. 'Wizard! Counter battery fire now!' As one the hobgoblins with bows train on the wizard..."
As the one and only Goblich, Hobgoblins have always been one of my favorite races. You can play a LN Hobgobby ranger that rcoks the longbow, a CG renegade that uses a rapier and kukri, or a LE monk that acts as a lightning-fast skirmisher on the field of battle.
That said, I think that my larger brothers definitely deserve an AP at the least, and I would love to see them enhanced with some more flavor text and maybe some racial feats.
Since we are talking about hobgoblins, do you think that the +4 stealth bonus they get make a lot of sense ? Because of their military background, I house-ruled that they get a bonus feat (combat feat or tactical feat) instead.
Since we are talking about hobgoblins, do you think that the +4 stealth bonus they get make a lot of sense ? Because of their military background, I house-ruled that they get a bonus feat (combat feat or tactical feat) instead.
The stealth bonus does indeed make sense if looked at in context of goblinoids. Almost all of them get a nice stealth kick. As a race they are quiet and sneaky and agile.
On the other hand, having a choice between 'scout' or 'assault' training from your childhood is a nice flavorful option for the race.
For my Archer Fighter he kept the stealth bonus, though my DM is crazy silly on how many feats she gives and the stealth was better for that campaign and character concept.
Hobgoblins of Golarion should carve themselves a nice, strong country, like they did in Eberron during the War.
Hobgoblins of Golarion should carve themselves a nice, strong country, like they did in Eberron during the War.
+1!
As a fan of hobgoblins myself (and having just introduced them into my office Iobaria-Kingmaker game), I promise to tie down James Jacobs and throw rotten fruit at him until he agrees to allow hobgoblins in an upcoming AP!
Huzzah! We have been heard!
Remember the 1e artwork? The hobgoblins were wearing Japanese style armor, using them as a major faction in Jade Regent would be AWESOME!
Weren't the hobgoblins in Shackled city also?
I've been running a hobgoblin Eberron PbP for a long time, down to 2 full-time and 1 part-time player...