This is because of their high charisma.
Also, Wizards gotta stay up late doing homework. The Sorcerer is free to cruise the bars.
Paladins you ask? Nice guys finish last.
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Wizards have alchemy as a class skill.
Mr. Fishy's wizard never hits the bar with his familar Roofie.
if a wizard is really that desperate, there is always this thing called enchantment spells. a single casting of charm person is all it takes. he could get the most appealing young woman in the area to approach his library and do the deed atop his desk.
if a wizard is really that desperate, there is always this thing called enchantment spells. a single casting of charm person is all it takes. he could get the most appealing young woman in the area to approach his library and do the deed atop his desk.
That's quite a liberal interpretation of 'friendly'.
Yeah ... magical rape is still rape.
Will save means NO! (Failed or not).
whats the difference between lowering a woman's inhibitions with a charm person spell and lowering them with alchohol? they both have the same intent and the same general effect. if one is considered rape, so should the other. but the use of alchoholic beverages to perform this task is still legal for reasons unknown. shouldn't use of alchohol to increase the chance of a woman accepting the request be considered rape as well.
whats the difference between lowering a womans inhibitions with a spell and lowering them with a poison? alchohol is a poison that lowers ones inhibitions and thus makes it easier for the guy to "score", but they don't consider that to be rape. so why should a charm spell. the difference being instead of using an inhibition lowering poison, you are using an inhibition lowering spell. if one is considered rape, so should the other.
I'm surprised I have to explain this. To use your comparison, casting a spell to make someone have sex when they wouldn't normally do so is analogous to tying someone up and forcing alcohol down their throat until they're too drunk to object to intercourse.
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alchohol is a poison that lowers ones inhibitions and thus makes it easier for the guy to "score", but they don't consider that to be rape.
Um, yes they do. Maybe civilians don't get the same sexual assault courses the military does? A person under the influence of alcohol cannot give consent to sexual intercourse. Therefore, engaging in such with a person so afflicted is non-consentual sex. In other words, rape.
alchohol is a poison that lowers ones inhibitions and thus makes it easier for the guy to "score", but they don't consider that to be rape.Um, yes they do. Maybe civilians don't get the same sexual assault courses the military does? A person under the influence of alcohol cannot give consent to sexual intercourse. Therefore, engaging in such with a person so afflicted is non-consentual sex. In other words, rape.
Thank you.
I was going to respond to Shuriken, and here I find you've already said what I wanted to.
Though I will acknowledge that there most certainly is a rather ugly cultural mindset that often buys into the 'she asked for it' defense for rapists who happen to use alcohol as their method of subdual rather than force. So whatever the military teaches about sexual assault, and whatever the state of the laws on the books, reality is probably closer to Shuriken's view than I'd like it to be.
whats the difference between lowering a womans inhibitions with a spell and lowering them with a poison? alchohol is a poison that lowers ones inhibitions and thus makes it easier for the guy to "score", but they don't consider that to be rape. so why should a charm spell. the difference being instead of using an inhibition lowering poison, you are using an inhibition lowering spell. if one is considered rape, so should the other.I'm surprised I have to explain this. To use your comparison, casting a spell to make someone have sex when they wouldn't normally do so is analogous to tying someone up and forcing alcohol down their throat until they're too drunk to object to intercourse.
that would technically be dominate person.
at least with charm person, they still have thier free will, but with the side effects of extreme friendliness towards you and having greatly lowered inhibitions unlike dominate person where they have no free will at all. charm person also cannot be used to make people do things that are against thier nature. unlike dominate. but i will say that a dominate person spell is more akin to raping a helpless victim (the victim in the quoted example is quite helpless), while charm person is just using a few drinks to influence the girl into saying "yes"
and i never suggested using dominate person, just charm person.
alchohol is a poison that lowers ones inhibitions and thus makes it easier for the guy to "score", but they don't consider that to be rape.Um, yes they do. Maybe civilians don't get the same sexual assault courses the military does? A person under the influence of alcohol cannot give consent to sexual intercourse. Therefore, engaging in such with a person so afflicted is non-consentual sex. In other words, rape.
I don't think this is a civilian law but may well get you hauled before a military tribunal if your in the military.
That said I think this is pretty broad - I mean is your wife to drunk to consent if she had wine with dinner?
Husband: I'm sorry honey but you've been drinking.
Wife: What do you mean I've been drinking? I just took my temperature and its perfect...get the f@@% over here!
Hard to say. I think it depends on the circumstances.
Sure, I agree.
I figure she has to actively consent and is taking off at least some of her own or your clothing.
while charm person is just using a few drinks to influence the girl into saying "yes"
and i never suggested using dominate person, just charm person.
The difference is between someone willingly having a few drinks to release inhibitions, and someone spiking their drinks with a drug so they'll either agree or be in no position to object. The first case is by their consent. The second isn't.
Covertly cast a spell on someone to make them more agreeable and basically you're doing the same as spiking their drink to get into their pants. Which boils down to rape.
while charm person is just using a few drinks to influence the girl into saying "yes"
and i never suggested using dominate person, just charm person.
The difference is between someone willingly having a few drinks to release inhibitions, and someone spiking their drinks with a drug so they'll either agree or be in no position to object. The first case is by their consent. The second isn't.
Covertly cast a spell on someone to make them more agreeable and basically you're doing the same as spiking their drink to get into their pants. Which boils down to rape.
possible wizards are highly easy to recognize, if the woman didn't secretly want intercourse with the wizard, she would stay out of his casting range. and even if she does get charmed, she still technically has the ability to refuse. although less likely to happen, it can still happen. but if an individual were a suspected wizard, the entire community would already know and would have developed a sense of extreme caution anyway. but a wizard wouldn't waste such a valuable resource unless he were desperate. but a wizard that desperate is an almost impossible occurence as most wizards would suppress thier urges with the more "explicit" books in thier library.
Wow, this is a humorous thread that got serious, fast. Personally, I think if they wouldn't have slept with you without alcohol, then getting them inebriated to have sex with you qualifies as rape. I wouldn't do it.
Then again, I also don't believe in extramarital sex, so I wouldn't sleep with a woman who was sober.
As for the original topic... Mage Hand is a cantrip, Unseen Servant and Grease (and Mount for the twisted ones) are 1st level spells. Heck, even Disguise Self is 1st level if you want to make yourself look pretty. Why do you think wizards learn those spells early on? :D
Just pray you never see a wizard using Sculpt Corpse for a reason like this...
Shuriken, I don't care if you honestly believe that or are just yanking our chain. But I would really appreciate you not continuing this line any longer. Please.
I agree. Please, please stop it.
Shuriken, I don't care if you honestly believe that or are just yanking our chain. But I would really appreciate you not continuing this line any longer. Please.I agree. Please, please stop it.
fine i will stop yanking your chains. i've been bored for months and had to have a little bit of sick fun. guess i will seek entertainment in a different thread.
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if a wizard is really that desperate, there is always this thing called enchantment spells. a single casting of charm person is all it takes. he could get the most appealing young woman in the area to approach his library and do the deed atop his desk.
What bothers me most is talk about seeing an attractive female, and then "stealing" her by spell, or binding, to essentially allow the wizard to masturbate into her, not make love to her. This attitude surprises me (but at the same time kinda demonstrates why wizard types don't get regular action.)
Um, yay... what about love? What about getting to know another person, developing a relationship, and building a life?
As a good friend said, if you want them to scream your name in passion they have to know it first.
I'm pretty sure Shuriken was posting honestly and only pretends to have been trolling now that he's been called out on it and realises the gravity of his words.
fine i will stop yanking your chains. i've been bored for months and had to have a little bit of sick fun. guess i will seek entertainment in a different thread.Shuriken, I don't care if you honestly believe that or are just yanking our chain. But I would really appreciate you not continuing this line any longer. Please.I agree. Please, please stop it.
If you were trolling please do seen a different thread.
Trolling is what the 4E threads are for. ;P
Besides, everybody knows Charm Person is best used for making fools of the party fighter and rogue for mocking your pointy hat. It's better than a sharpie.
Bards get the most booty. All that charisma and they're in a band... More virgins get deflowered by a pretty voice than a dusty spellbook.
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possible wizards are highly easy to recognize, if the woman didn't secretly want intercourse with the wizard, she would stay out of his casting range.Is this a variation of the horrendous ‘if she didn’t want to get raped she shouldn’t have dressed so provocatively’ argument?
Why yes. Yes, I think it is.
The amount of pure FAIL that this thread has accumulated is quite astounding, and is making me want to go far, far away to my happy place where there are rainbows and kittens and sparkles and no such thing as the 'she asked for it' defense...
Then again, I also don't believe in extramarital sex, so I wouldn't sleep with a woman who was sober.
Maybe you should re-phrase this? ;-)
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I couldn't help but think of my current wizard while reading this thread. Actually, wizard-ess. She also has an exceptional charisma and a party-hard, life-is-short attitude. No lack of action there.
-Message is handy for setting up a daliance. Also, house parties at a Magnificent Mansion means not having to clean up the next day.
Maybe you should re-phrase this? ;-)
"...so I wouldn't sleep with a woman who was sober and conscious."
Lol, better? :D
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Paladins you ask? Nice guys finish last.
Clearly you've been hanging out with the wrong paladins. First off they have high charisma, they're graceful, they have a brilliant stallion, and they're oh so shiny.
Also, they are very proficient when it comes to laying on hands.
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Lots of women have 'knight in shining armor' fetishes. Heck, plenty more have just general 'dangerous, deadly soldier' ones. Lots more just like guys with a snazzy uniform. Pretty much any martial class with more than a couple levels under its belt is going to be the equivalent of a local band rock star at minimum.
Paladins you ask? Nice guys finish last.
Clearly you've been hanging out with the wrong paladins. First off they have high charisma, they're graceful, they have a brilliant stallion, and they're oh so shiny.
Also, they are very proficient when it comes to laying on hands.
>:3
So...does this mean my tiefling paladin is probably someone's kink?
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WHY THE @#$% DID I HAVE TO MAKE HIM SO UPTIGHT ABOUT INTIMACY?!?! I COULD HAVE BEEN CASHING IN ON THAT!
Lots of women have 'knight in shining armor' fetishes. Heck, plenty more have just general 'dangerous, deadly soldier' ones. Lots more just like guys with a snazzy uniform. Pretty much any martial class with more than a couple levels under its belt is going to be the equivalent of a local band rock star at minimum.
Paladins you ask? Nice guys finish last.
Clearly you've been hanging out with the wrong paladins. First off they have high charisma, they're graceful, they have a brilliant stallion, and they're oh so shiny.
Also, they are very proficient when it comes to laying on hands.
>:3
But most Paladins will be too inherently decent to take inapproprate advantage.
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But most Paladins will be too inherently decent to take inapproprate advantage.But there will be plenty that take appropriate advantage. ;)
And after reading up on that crazy homebrewed LG goddess /tg/ made up*, "appropriate" can get pretty wild.
So long as both(or all) parties involved are on board for it.
*Seriously /tg/ never ceases to surprise me, for good or ill.
But most Paladins will be too inherently decent to take inapproprate advantage.Paladins are lawful and good, but they're not necessarily prudes.
We agree completely.
They're likely to gravitate towards trying to find someone suitable for marriage, but they'll probably break more than a few hearts along the way.
This is true, and true.
There are very likely to seek honorable marriage per their culture's customs.
And yes, they are very likely to, not deliberately of course, break more then a few hearts along the way.
And it's very unlikely a paladin would need to 'take advantage'---with their charisma, social position, and general romantic figure PR going on, they're likely to have eager groupies if anything.
But, it is those "eager groupies" that he/she would be avoiding taking "inappropriate advantage" of.
Yes, the groupie would be completely willing, but this becomes a "slippery slope" very quickly. (... Including the harm caused by intentionally breaking hearts.)
And again, some of those groupies would fall under 'taken appropriate advantage of'. As in, never more than one at a time, and always with seriousness.
Disagree. See "Paladins are lawful and good, but they're not necessarily prudes." from above.
So, while unlikely, it is possible for "more than one at a time" It would depend on a lot of things (customs, understanding consent, etc).
The "always with seriousness" is easy to mis-interpret.
(* - Actually, that would be true of any "Good" aligned character. Chaotic ones are just more likely to be in this situation.)
Forgive me, it sounded like you were discounting that possibility, and possibly more than that.
Ah! Sometimes language can become a barrier to communication. :(
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Some cultures and religions probably have paladins that are polygamous---actually, I suspect that's true for most if we're in the ancient/classical era and for most of the 'exotic' cultures in a quasi-medieval era. Even in Christendom, you've got some of what amounts to 'soft polygamy' in the ruling classes where a mistress or two was expected, particularly if producing an heir was proving difficult.
Polyandrous relations confirmed for Qadira, and Sarenrae is big there...
Hell yes, your tierfling paladin is probably more than one person's kink. OMG, the knight in shining armor thing, the reformed 'bad boy' (or girl, particularly if your ancestry is succubus) with a lower planes taint thing as well. This one taps into both the fairy-tale romantic fantasies AND the darker ones.
+1. I'd totally be interested in a tiefling lady paladin.
fine i will stop yanking your chains. i've been bored for months and had to have a little bit of sick fun. guess i will seek entertainment in a different thread.
Don't forget your wingman Roofie and his magic trunk.
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Paladins you ask? Nice guys finish last.
I most contend with this. Paladins have Charisma as a primary stat, Diplomacy as a class skill, are immune to fear, and grant people around them a +4 bonus against fear. Likewise they get mercies with allow them to remove fatigue and exhaustion. Finally they are immune to disease and can remove disease via their lay on hands. Since an undeveloped embryo is a parasite by definition (attaching to and feeding off the host body), they can even prevent unwanted pregnancies via remove disease if desired.
Paladins are sexual gods. No where in their code does it say they must remain or even encourage celibacy. A Paladin could literally sleep with every disease ridden wench in the back-allies of Korvosa without fear of disease or unwanted complications, while simultaneously healing and curing everyone through the power of lurv.