In the ICv2 article out this morning, Pathfinder is now tied with Dungeons and Dragons 4E as the best selling Role Playing Game on the market for the past quarter. Allow me to be the first to extend my congratulations to the entire Paizo team! You guys have earned it. *Salute*
In the ICv2 article out this morning, Pathfinder is now tied with Dungeons and Dragons 4E as the best selling Role Playing Game on the market for the past quarter. Allow me to be the first to extend my congratulations to the entire Paizo team! You guys have earned it. *Salute*
Well I'll be.... that's pretty damn awesome! Good job.
Congratulazioni!
If you build it, they will come.
Thanks for building such good games.
One should hope.
And it should easily top 4e, not because I find anything wrong with 4e or don't like it, but because WotC has decided to make a policy to all but literally throwing fans under the bus. For instance, the next World Wide Gaming Day - you know, the even they use to lure people into buying their products by providing them with a demo of it - will apparently require the game box to be purchased in order to run the event (as reported by our local guy in charge of this stuff).
Good show, Paizo!!
Here's to a future of ongoing success!!
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LET'S GET TROLLIED!!1!!
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One should hope.
And it should easily top 4e, not because I find anything wrong with 4e or don't like it, but because WotC has decided to make a policy to all but literally throwing fans under the bus. For instance, the next World Wide Gaming Day - you know, the even they use to lure people into buying their products by providing them with a demo of it - will apparently require the game box to be purchased in order to run the event (as reported by our local guy in charge of this stuff).
Well, you can't forget that the incredible rate at which WotC cranks out new books means that any fans with large amounts of disposable income will be buying them all and be spending ungodly amounts of money on them all. Where as PFRPG has what? Four books out? Substantial difference there...
Amazing!!!
Well done, guys and gals out there!!
Here's hoping that this will continue to be a true pattern for them, that the products will continue to sell and be of excellent quality, and that the further revision of "sacred cows" in regards to the 3.x backwards compatibility can get offered up to the gaming gods in order to create a stronger PF end product (one that, btw, does NOT resemble 4e even slightly, mind you).
Kudos. we'll drink a few beers in your honor at our next game session!
Well, you can't forget that the incredible rate at which WotC cranks out new books means that any fans with large amounts of disposable income will be buying them all and be spending ungodly amounts of money on them all. Where as PFRPG has what? Four books out? Substantial difference there...One should hope.
And it should easily top 4e, not because I find anything wrong with 4e or don't like it, but because WotC has decided to make a policy to all but literally throwing fans under the bus. For instance, the next World Wide Gaming Day - you know, the even they use to lure people into buying their products by providing them with a demo of it - will apparently require the game box to be purchased in order to run the event (as reported by our local guy in charge of this stuff).
1) That's wrong.
2) That has nothing to do with what I said.
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For instance, the next World Wide Gaming Day - you know, the even they use to lure people into buying their products by providing them with a demo of it - will apparently require the game box to be purchased in order to run the event (as reported by our local guy in charge of this stuff).
Is this a reference to the game stores having to purchase the materials (maps, miniatures and adventures etc) to run the event? If so, I don't see a big issue with that assuming the cost isn't outrageous - shops are basically sharing the cost of supporting an event that will promote sales of WotC in their specific store.
Do Paizo give free materials to game stores (other than posters etc) to promote Pathfinder?
For instance, the next World Wide Gaming Day - you know, the even they use to lure people into buying their products by providing them with a demo of it - will apparently require the game box to be purchased in order to run the event (as reported by our local guy in charge of this stuff).Is this a reference to the game stores having to purchase the materials (maps, miniatures and adventures etc) to run the event? If so, I don't see a big issue with that assuming the cost isn't outrageous - shops are basically sharing the cost of supporting an event that will promote sales of WotC in their specific store.
The impression given was that people DMing for the event will have to purchase the box set to run it. It is Gamma World based on 4e, not D&D, and from what I read about it, they are going to try and cash in HARD on Gamma World.
Do Paizo give free materials to game stores (other than posters etc) to promote Pathfinder?
I wasn't aware Paizo had any events and if it does, there are none in my area.
I wasn't aware Paizo had any events and if it does, there are none in my area.
I wasn't aware Paizo had any events and if it does, there are none in my area.The Pathfinder Society.
1) That is not an event
2) There is one in my area ran out of some guys basement but whatever.
Well, you can't forget that the incredible rate at which WotC cranks out new books means that any fans with large amounts of disposable income will be buying them all and be spending ungodly amounts of money on them all. Where as PFRPG has what? Four books out? Substantial difference there...
That alone is a huge indicator that Paizo is actually OUTSELLING 4E. 4E does have a ton of books out and PFRPG has only the 4. Which means the base game sales of Pathfinder are far outstrpping the base game sales of D&D.
Of course that assumes the sales numbers being quoted are all inclusive by system and not JUST base game products (IE DMG/PHB/MM versus the PFRPG Core and Bestiary).
If the comparison icludes the supplemental books then that would mean Pathfinder is actually outselling 4E as the 4e totals include far more books than Pathfinder and therefore individual book sales would be commensurately smaller.
In any case, CONGRATULATIONS PAIZO! Your communication with your players, openness to new idea's and commitment to quality and above all GOOD GAME BALANCE has made you my favorite game company.
If only TSR had you guys back in the day...
Kudos Paizo!!
That alone is a huge indicator that Paizo is actually OUTSELLING 4E. 4E does have a ton of books out and PFRPG has only the 4.
What are you counting? I'm getting Player's Guide, Advanced Player's Guide, Gamemaster's Guide, Bestiary, then there is a dozen "Pathfinder Companion" books, several "Pathfinder Chronicles" books. And are they counting the adventure paths?
Congrats to Paizo! It'll be interesting to see the figures for the next couple of quarters to see if 4E was suffering a lull due to people waiting to see what Essentials was going to be. But regardless of whether it's a short term thing or not, it's a great effort to catch the market leader over such a short period of time.
Yeah, not to take away from Paizo, but I think it was slightly coincidental that Paizo was issuing fresh new material at a time that was a transition period for Wizards of the Coast. But kudos nevertheless!
Well, you can't forget that the incredible rate at which WotC cranks out new books means that any fans with large amounts of disposable income will be buying them all and be spending ungodly amounts of money on them all.
I think part of WotC's problem is that 4E isn't geared towards the kind of player who would spend large amounts of disposable income buying them all.
By any non-sales yardstick I can think to use -- buzz in pop culture, quantity of people in organized play for the game -- 4E is immensely popular, probably moreso than 3E ever was. The problem is, popularity doesn't necessarily translate to book sales.
The old-school grognards who like buying game books are more likely to gravitate towards Pathfinder, and tech-savvy at-risk youth who don't see as much value in owning a physical book or paying for rules when it's so easy to get a pirate copy of the book in PDF for their laptop/iPad/whatever are more likely to gravitate towards 4E. Those aren't hard and fast rules, obviously, but I think the trend is there.
Sometimes it's better to serve the grognard audience.
The sad thing is, under better technology management WotC probably could do something really interesting, amazing, and intensely profitable with the kind of new players 4E is pulling in, but WotC has a long history of creating fiascos out of every technology project they touch.
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In the ICv2 article out this morning, Pathfinder is now tied with Dungeons and Dragons 4E as the best selling Role Playing Game on the market for the past quarter. Allow me to be the first to extend my congratulations to the entire Paizo team! You guys have earned it. *Salute*
And Hasbro, in a raging fit of jealousy will try to buy Paizo, replace the "Pathfinder" name, fire all their talent, and put Wayne Reynolds rendered Mr. Potatoheads in place of the golem.
Of course, that's just the conspiracy theorist in me speaking.
Congrats Paizo Staff. Keep doing what you're doing. :)
-Vaz
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The impression given was that people DMing for the event will have to purchase the box set to run it. It is Gamma World based on 4e, not D&D, and from what I read about it, they are going to try and cash in HARD on Gamma World.
I don't get it, of ALL their past games (Boot Hill, Star Frontiers, Marvel Super Heroes, Top Secret, etc. etc. etc.), why of all things select Gamma World? Don't get me wrong, I LOVED Gamma World "back in the day" but WHY for the love of <insert your chosen deity here>?
-Vaz
Congrats to Paizo! It'll be interesting to see the figures for the next couple of quarters to see if 4E was suffering a lull due to people waiting to see what Essentials was going to be. But regardless of whether it's a short term thing or not, it's a great effort to catch the market leader over such a short period of time.Yeah, not to take away from Paizo, but I think it was slightly coincidental that Paizo was issuing fresh new material at a time that was a transition period for Wizards of the Coast. But kudos nevertheless!
Yeah, it means that all of Pathfinder sells about as much as the 4E Dark Sun Campaign Setting... :)
Still, gratz.
Do Paizo give free materials to game stores (other than posters etc) to promote Pathfinder?
Paizo participates in Free RPG Day. That's where the Master of the Fallen Fortress module comes from--if you showed up to a participating FLGS, you got the printed module for free (and can still get the pdf for free on the Paizo Website).
It'd be nice if they could do more promotions like that, but it's--to an extent--costly for both Paizo and FLGSes.
Huh. Well look at that. That's pretty awesome. The big thanks - of course - go to everyone out there who buys and subscribes and plays. You're all the ones who let us keep on indulging in our crazy schemes.
But what's really cool about this is that you guys haven't even seen the GOOD STUFF yet! Just wait and see. ;)
It'd be nice if they could do more promotions like that...
We agree. And we have top men looking into this.
But what's really cool about this is that you guys haven't even seen the GOOD STUFF yet! Just wait and see. ;)
Wes, if no one has ever called you a tease before, allow me to be the first. And if you have, .... well let me just add one more to that heaping pile.
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The impression given was that people DMing for the event will have to purchase the box set to run it.
If it is the actual DMs who may not be staff who are supposed to purchase the demo stuff then yes that does suck. But I would be surprised if that were the case.
It is Gamma World based on 4e, not D&D, and from what I read about it, they are going to try and cash in HARD on Gamma World.
I wasn't aware Paizo had any events and if it does, there are none in my area.
I don't think they do other than PaizoCon, and I am not sure if they give away free stuff like miniatures etc there.
Which is kind of my point, because at one point WotC were great enough to give free stuff away and then move to a model where they start charging for it they are seen as screwing over their players, whereas a company who never starts to give away free stuff does not suffer such stick.
I can accept the WotC maybe could have handled expectations a bit better, but I can't begrudge them for no longer giving stuff away from free. Its why I didn't moan when they stopped giving away DM Rewards for private home games - I was just grateful that I got free stuff for as long as I did just for playing a game I was going to play anyway!
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Paizo participates in Free RPG Day. That's where the Master of the Fallen Fortress module comes from--if you showed up to a participating FLGS, you got the printed module for free (and can still get the pdf for free on the Paizo Website).
It'd be nice if they could do more promotions like that, but it's--to an extent--costly for both Paizo and FLGSes.
Yep, I forgot about Free RPG day, but as you implied some of the cost is also taken on by the LGS as well, which is just what I think WotC now are doing with their D&D days, asking for the stores to bear some of the cost (not something I think they should get slammed over).
I can accept the WotC maybe could have handled expectations a bit better, but I can't begrudge them for no longer giving stuff away from free. Its why I didn't moan when they stopped giving away DM Rewards for private home games - I was just grateful that I got free stuff for as long as I did just for playing a game I was going to play anyway!
It's not that they aren't giving away stuff for free, it's that they are charging the DMs to run a an event designed to interest people in the material. What if no DMs in the area decide to shell out just to run that event for WotC? No new players become acquainted with the material and none of them buy it.
It isn't like this is some guys wanting to run Gamma World on their own time. This is a WotC sanctioned marketing event.which is just what I think WotC now are doing with their D&D days, asking for the stores to bear some of the cost (not something I think they should get slammed over).
Unless you know something I don't, that is not what is happening. They are asking the DMs running the tables to buy the system rules because they damn sure don't dispense those on D&D game days.
In the ICv2 article out this morning, Pathfinder is now tied with Dungeons and Dragons 4E as the best selling Role Playing Game on the market for the past quarter. Allow me to be the first to extend my congratulations to the entire Paizo team! You guys have earned it. *Salute*
Congrats, Paizo!
Pathfinder EARNED this, and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes the number 1 spot someday. Of course, if that happens, maybe WotC will revoke the license to use their rules (assuming that's a possibility -- I don't know the legal details and don't really care as long as I have Pathfinder).
Of course, if that happens, maybe WotC will revoke the license to use their rules (assuming that's a possibility ...)
It isn't possible. The rules are open forever.
It'd be nice if they could do more promotions like that...We agree. And we have top men looking into this.
[Indiana Jones]Who?[/Indiana Jones]
[Indiana Jones]Who?[/Indiana Jones]It'd be nice if they could do more promotions like that...We agree. And we have top men looking into this.
Top. Men.
What are you counting? I'm getting Player's Guide, Advanced Player's Guide, Gamemaster's Guide, Bestiary, then there is a dozen "Pathfinder Companion" books, several "Pathfinder Chronicles" books. And are they counting the adventure paths?
Actually, your absolutely right. When I thin Pathfinder I think the actual RPG and I totally spaced and forgot the myriad adventure path's etc they make too.
This is total awesomesauce. I love Paizo!!!! :D
Well, you can't forget that the incredible rate at which WotC cranks out new books means that any fans with large amounts of disposable income will be buying them all and be spending ungodly amounts of money on them all. Where as PFRPG has what? Four books out? Substantial difference there...
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...Sooooo, what you're saying is it's a quality over quantity kind of thing? I agree!
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It'd be nice if they could do more promotions like that...We agree. And we have top men looking into this."Who?"
"TOP. MEN." :)
EDIT: ninja'd
Ninja'd by 40 odd minutes. That line from Indiana Jones was the first damn thing that popped into my head. *chuckle*
But, having said that, congrats to Paizo for something that's well deserved and honestly not surprising to me. :D
Wizards may be going through a transition, but who says that the new red box/Essentials is a failure? It sure does seem to be everywhere in the stores and getting plenty of chatter. I suspect this may be a transition to higher sales. And for that matter, if it wasn't doing as well as had been hoped, how do we know the two phenomena are unrelated?
Go Paizo!
Wizards may be going through a transition, but who says that the new red box/Essentials is a failure?
I don't think anyone said that in this thread. But the reported number is 3rd quarter sales, and red box/Essentials didn't come out until September/October. If you look at their product schedule for the previous 2-3 months, it was pretty thin (some Dark Sun stuff, Psionic Power, and some modules).