Free Hand Fighter / Singleton Question


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3 people marked this as FAQ candidate. Answered in the errata.

Singleton replaces weapon training 1 and gives +1 to hit and damage as long as the fighter is fighting with a one handed weapon and the other hand is empty. It does not increase with level.

Compare this to the archer...Expert archer provides basically the same thing (also at the expense of weapon training 1), yet it increases by + 1 for every 4 levels beyond 5th.

Which of these is correct? I'm inclined to lean toward saying that Singleton should read like Expert Archer (rather than the other way around), but figured I'd ask and see if there was an official ruling on this yet.


Sadly, the APG is has several little things like this (bot in class features, feats and few spells. This is quite annoying because sometimes one can't exaclty tell if are adjustment due to balance or mistakes.

Seeing all the other Fighter Archetypes, I lean toward thinking that is a sort of mistake, and the bonus should scale, but 'til errata, remains an opinion.


If you try to compare all the archetypes of the fighter class you might notice that they do not follow a very clear and specific pattern. For example some archetypes offer 3 abilities that increase by level while others only 2. Some archetypes offer something at 2nd level others do not. You are right that those two abilities look very similar so they would probably follow the same pattern. But this in not necessary. For example someone like the designer could argue that one of the abilities that a free hand fighter gains at later levels is stronger than the one of the archer. So in order to balance it the fighter's Singleton does not increase while expert archer does. This could be another explanation so it is not 100% that we are talking about a typo.

Personally comparing Timely Tip and Safe shot (9th level abilities) I can not say that I believe that one hand fighter's ability is better in order to no not receive a +1 damage and to hit, but that again is my opinion.

One advantage that I can see considering the singleton ability is that it applies in many weapons comparing the normal weapon training and to expert archer that applies only to bows. So in that way the expert archer ability is a restriction of the general weapon training so it should be at least of the same power of the weapon training ability. On the other hand the singleton ability allows the fighter to apply the bonus to a larger collection of weapons comparing to a single weapon group offered by the weapon training ability.
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2 people marked this as FAQ candidate.

Leaping Attack of the Mobile Fighter also increases by one every four levels. It applies to all weapons. And the Fighter still retains acess to Weapon Training II-IV, granting him +7 on attack and damage rolls by level 17.


The archetype's author addressed this in the other Free-Hand Fighter thread. It's supposed to increase with level as normal.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

AvalonXQ wrote:
The archetype's author addressed this in the other Free-Hand Fighter thread. It's supposed to increase with level as normal.

It's true. My comments are not official errata, though, so if you're playing PFS or other strict RAW, then it is what it is until and unless otherwise stated by the powers that be.

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