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Hmm ._. Okay, how about which demon lords Alaznist didn't work with? I kinda need to narrow down my options to figure out how to make puzzle out of recognizing demon lords' runes :'D

BTW, speaking of Hells, is there more info on it from any book? Also, realized that Prisons of Inner Sea book would be really cool if that isn't a thing already. It would be good material for where players send their enemies to and where they are sent to if they are framed/caught for their crimes..

But yeah, I still want to foreshadow Ironbriar somehow so its bit a shock to learn about him. What kind of judge Ironbriar is exactly? I kinda got feeling he manipulates the results in trials, but how exactly? Like, in Magnimar only treason is punishable by death, but does he take bribes or does he give as harsh sentences as possible?

Also, is Brothers of Seven still operating in Magnimar even if Skinsaw Cult is wiped out?


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By "derailing" I mean shifting focus to the Hells until that story plays out, and that may well take the party up to 15th level or thereabouts.

Speaking of the Hells, how do they survive down there? Food, water and even air.

Couldn't the government cut off their air supply somehow?


Chyrone wrote:

Mr. Jacobs,

I was browsing templates for my homebrew, and came upon the N'gathau.

1) Was this inspired by the movie Hellraiser, by chance?
2) Who came up with them?
3) Would you think it possible, in the distant future, for a module being released, where you try to fight off an incursion team of these things?

You should probably ask either Frog God Games, or Necromancer Games Inc., since Paizo didn't publish the book that monster comes from.


Hi, James.

I fell down a nostalgic rabbit-hole on the Internet this morning, and was looking at art from the early days of the hobby.

On a fan page dedicated to the work of fantasy artist Erol Otus, whose work featured prominently in early TSR products, I found this piece of artwork that I'd never encountered before. It's dated 1979. A little research shows that it's from a third-party D&D supplement/independent RPG from the late 1970s/early 1980s called Arduin, whch I'd also never run across before.

I couldn't help but think of the Red Mantis Assassins when I saw that drawing. Was this piece an inspiration for their look? Or is it just a coincidence? (Or, is this more a question for the artist?)

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Chyrone wrote:

Mr. Jacobs,

I was browsing templates for my homebrew, and came upon the N'gathau.

1) Was this inspired by the movie Hellraiser, by chance?
2) Who came up with them?
3) Would you think it possible, in the distant future, for a module being released, where you try to fight off an incursion team of these things?

1) I assume/suspect they were.

2) Dunno; someone over at Necromancer Games, since they were invented for Tome of Horrors II I believe. Neither I nor Paizo had anything to do with their creation.

3) Unlikely. They don't really have a part in Pathfinder or in Golarion officially, and if we were going to do something with those themes we'd be FAR more likely to go with kytons or something that DOES have a standing presence in Golarion.

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So how does reincarnation and gender work? Like, I don't think there are male changelings, so male character always reincarnated into female changelings I think. So can gender change with each reincarnation spell regardless of race?

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CorvusMask wrote:

Hmm ._. Okay, how about which demon lords Alaznist didn't work with? I kinda need to narrow down my options to figure out how to make puzzle out of recognizing demon lords' runes :'D

BTW, speaking of Hells, is there more info on it from any book? Also, realized that Prisons of Inner Sea book would be really cool if that isn't a thing already. It would be good material for where players send their enemies to and where they are sent to if they are framed/caught for their crimes..

But yeah, I still want to foreshadow Ironbriar somehow so its bit a shock to learn about him. What kind of judge Ironbriar is exactly? I kinda got feeling he manipulates the results in trials, but how exactly? Like, in Magnimar only treason is punishable by death, but does he take bribes or does he give as harsh sentences as possible?

Also, is Brothers of Seven still operating in Magnimar even if Skinsaw Cult is wiped out?

I actually haven't nailed down that much information about Alaznist and what demon lords she allied with, and this is neither the time nor the place to set that down. Until we DO publish information there, feel free to use demon lords of your own choosing. Heck, even AFTER we publish them you should feel free to go with your preferences.

No further info on the Hells yet, nor do we have plans to expand on it anytime soon.

Ironbriar is a corrupt judge, but since most of his corruption comes from being a part of the Skinsaw cult, he doesn't actually do much else to draw attention to himself. He might manipulate sentences and the like now and then if they are in the cult's interests, but for the most part he does his job without giving others much reason to investigate him further.

What the Brothers of Seven do after the Skinsaw Cult is wiped out is undetailed... but at the VERY least, if they survive, they'll play it cool and lie low for some time before even thinking about trying something new.

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Snowsarn wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:


By "derailing" I mean shifting focus to the Hells until that story plays out, and that may well take the party up to 15th level or thereabouts.

Speaking of the Hells, how do they survive down there? Food, water and even air.

Couldn't the government cut off their air supply somehow?

There are vents and the like to keep air flowing, as with all dungeons. Some of these vents might be magic, but that's unlikely. The government COULD cut off their air, but that's not something that the government would do.

The true story of what's going on in the Hells is NOT public knowledge, nor is it even really known to the whole of Magniamr's government. And furthermore, suffocating an entire prison's populace is a pretty chaotic evil thing to do, and Magnimar is not chaotic nor evil.

Part of Aeryn Darvengian's power is that he's a VERY persuasive and charming bad guy. He's very much inspired by Hannibal Lecter. He's one of the highest level NPCs in the city. That he's managed to do what he's done is a SPECIFIC set up for a long-term campaign for play, not for a solution to be handled in a few lines of background flavor text.

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CorvusMask wrote:
So how does reincarnation and gender work? Like, I don't think there are male changelings, so male character always reincarnated into female changelings I think. So can gender change with each reincarnation spell regardless of race?

When you reincarnate, your new gender is determined in the same way that the rest of your body is determined. AKA: as far as mortals can tell, randomly. If you reincarnate into a creature that has no gender, or has only one gender, you can't reincarnated into a gender that makes no sense for that race.

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Haladir wrote:

Hi, James.

I fell down a nostalgic rabbit-hole on the Internet this morning, and was looking at art from the early days of the hobby.

On a fan page dedicated to the work of fantasy artist Erol Otus, whose work featured prominently in early TSR products, I found this piece of artwork that I'd never encountered before. It's dated 1979. A little research shows that it's from a third-party D&D supplement/independent RPG from the late 1970s/early 1980s called Arduin, whch I'd also never run across before.

I couldn't help but think of the Red Mantis Assassins when I saw that drawing. Was this piece an inspiration for their look? Or is it just a coincidence? (Or, is this more a question for the artist?)

HA! Cool! I never owned the Arduin rules, but a GM I played with in College used the rules extensively for his game. He was pretty hard core on the "NO PLAYER SHALL EVER SEE THE GM'S RESOURCES" though, so I've not really had the chance to look through the booksl AKA: It is indeed a coincidence, as far as I can remember. I suppose it's possible I"ve seen that picture before and then 10 years later it unconsciously influenced my designs for the Red Mantis, but I doubt it.

The Red Mantis were in fact inspired by basically combining the spider-worshiping drow (change spider to mantis) and the assassins known as the Scarlet Brotherhood from Greyhawk (with a LOT of changes to their hows and whys) with a dose of ninja and creepy serial killer thrown in to boot.


James Jacobs wrote:


There are vents and the like to keep air flowing, as with all dungeons. Some of these vents might be magic, but that's unlikely. The government COULD cut off their air, but that's not something that the government would do.

The true story of what's going on in the Hells is NOT public knowledge, nor is it even really known to the whole of Magniamr's government. And furthermore, suffocating an entire prison's populace is a pretty chaotic evil thing to do, and Magnimar is not chaotic nor evil.

Part of Aeryn Darvengian's power is that he's a VERY persuasive and charming bad guy. He's very much inspired by Hannibal Lecter. He's one of the highest level NPCs in the city. That he's managed to do what he's done is a SPECIFIC set up for a long-term campaign for play, not for a solution to be handled in a few lines of background flavor text.

Fair enough I just got the sense from the Magnimar book that the government was pretty scared of what might happen if the prisoners decided to push for the surface. Desperate Measures and all that might push neutral towards evil.

But how do Darvengian and his followers get food and water? Were there enough clerics imprisoned to provide for all?

I have the Anniversary Edition of Rise of the Runelords. Where might I find more info on ancient Thassilon?
The Lost Kingdoms book details what happens after. From comments in this thread I've gathered that people know a lot more than what is apparent from the AE.

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Right, hmm, thanks for answers.

So that reincarnate thing came to my mind from situation I'm having in game currently. I actually have second question almost related on topic now that I think about it.

So I currently have the situation where the wizard who died might be(party hasn't decided on that yet as far as I'm aware, but they did discuss reviving the character with reincarnate as that is cheaper than raise dead), through me allowing player to burn hero points to roll from other incarnation table, reincarnated as changeling.

Why that is important is that I had kind of problem with His Lordship's target in second book. Party had no character that at that time qualified for Lust motivation so I had to went with Envy(especially since its not like any character particularly harshly brushed him off so Wrath would have felt arbitary) since fighter in party WAS particularly effective in combat. But well, character is basically badass old man with "hit it until it dies" mindset, so I while I can sort of see why His Lordship might envy him, it feels kinda weak.(fighter character is part of Valdemar family, but Valdemars aren't financially particularly well off nowadays.. He is married though)

So I'm having an idea that His Lordship thinks changeling wizard reincarnated into resembles Iesha(because otherwise him becoming obsessed with woman he didn't meet before his trip to manor wouldn't probably make sense?). Might even combine envy and lust motives as the fighter and wizard have a rivalry going on, so Skinsaw Man targeting fighter to protect his 'love' from him sounds like it could be interesting. And the wizard is type of character who hits on everyone regardless of gender, so it might be interesting twist for player that they are target of someone's insane lust.

Basically my question is, is that horribly convoluted/contrived idea and should I just stick to fighter being target of envy? <_< Or do I even need explanation for why he would target reincarnated wizard even though last time they met she was male human?

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Snowsarn wrote:

But how do Darvengian and his followers get food and water? Were there enough clerics imprisoned to provide for all?

I have the Anniversary Edition of Rise of the Runelords. Where might I find more info on ancient Thassilon?
The Lost Kingdoms book details what happens after. From comments in this thread I've gathered that people know a lot more than what is apparent from the AE.

The fact that the prisoners continue to thrive despite the fact that the government's sealed the bottom levels off is indeed something that's increasingly puzzling and worrying the guards. There are any number of ways that the sealed levels can continue to gain food and water (and even air), including (but not limited to)...

Spoiler:
1) The work of a few clerics loyal to Darvengian
2) Cannibalism
3) Scavenging rats and other small animals that come and go
4) A hidden tunnel (or several) overlooked by the guards that allows prisioners to "raid" upper levels for supplies
5) A natural spring on one of the lowest leves
6) A tunnel that connects to an old sewer or even a cave network that connects to the Darklands
7) Magic items like sustaining spoons
8) Undead don't have to eat or drink

I do have in mind a few more details on what's going on in the self-sustaining prison levels that are sealed away down there, but I'm not really ready to reveal what they are yet; the Hells is one of those areas I hope some day to do a bit more about, personally, and I don't want to spoil all the secrets now.

But I will say this, at least half of the explanations in the spoiler text above are accurate for the Hells.

If you want to expand the region for your own game, feel free to run with any or all of the reasons above.

As for Thassilon, the books where we've talked a bit about Thassilon and elements from it include, but are not limited to...

The Rise of the Runelords
Curse of the Crimson Throne
Second Darkness
Shattered Star
Lost Kingdoms
City of Stangers
Guide to Korvosa
Magnimar, City of Monuments
The Hollow Mountain comic books

There are additional tidbits all over the place.

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CorvusMask wrote:

Right, hmm, thanks for answers.

So that reincarnate thing came to my mind from situation I'm having in game currently. I actually have second question almost related on topic now that I think about it.

So I currently have the situation where the wizard who died might be(party hasn't decided on that yet as far as I'm aware, but they did discuss reviving the character with reincarnate as that is cheaper than raise dead), through me allowing player to burn hero points to roll from other incarnation table, reincarnated as changeling.

Why that is important is that I had kind of problem with His Lordship's target in second book. Party had no character that at that time qualified for Lust motivation so I had to went with Envy(especially since its not like any character particularly harshly brushed him off so Wrath would have felt arbitary) since fighter in party WAS particularly effective in combat. But well, character is basically badass old man with "hit it until it dies" mindset, so I while I can sort of see why His Lordship might envy him, it feels kinda weak.(fighter character is part of Valdemar family, but Valdemars aren't financially particularly well off nowadays.. He is married though)

So I'm having an idea that His Lordship thinks changeling wizard reincarnated into resembles Iesha(because otherwise him becoming obsessed with woman he didn't meet before his trip to manor wouldn't probably make sense?). Might even combine envy and lust motives as the fighter and wizard have a rivalry going on, so Skinsaw Man targeting fighter to protect his 'love' from him sounds like it could be interesting. And the wizard is type of character who hits on everyone regardless of gender, so it might be interesting twist for player that they are target of someone's insane lust.

Basically my question is, is that horribly convoluted/contrived idea and should I just stick to fighter being target of envy? <_< Or do I even need explanation for why he would target reincarnated wizard even though last time they met she was male human?

Sounds like you overcomplicated things, and the way you phrased all that above was pretty confusing to read, so even now I'm not entirely sure what the situation is. But looking at the last line, yes, I'd say stick to the original idea since it's already complicated enough, I guess.

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Ah. Yeah, that was confusion explanation. Sorry, I was writing my trail of thought aloud which is bad idea for me since my thoughts aren't organized ^_^;

So umm, I'll do simple version if that is okay: I had assigned party fighter to be target of Envy motivation since he fit the "seemingly most effective combatant" qualification, but I have no clue why His Lorship would envy the target besides that. Or have Wrath motivation for everyone either since none of them did anything to make him angry. So I was considering switching it to Lust motivation for reincarnated wizard. But I don't know if that makes sense either.

So basically I'm wondering what I can do to make second part more interesting for players so they don't feel that reasons a character is being stalked doesn't make sense?

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Rysky wrote:
Have fun tomorrow Directorsaur! I'll misse you! ^w^

Whether or not I'll be playing Dark Souls III tomorrow or not depends 100% on when Amazon decides to ship my copy—currently it's scheduled to be delivered on Thursday for some reason. I'm not taking any time off from work to play it, in any event.

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CorvusMask wrote:

Ah. Yeah, that was confusion explanation. Sorry, I was writing my trail of thought aloud which is bad idea for me since my thoughts aren't organized ^_^;

So umm, I'll do simple version if that is okay: I had assigned party fighter to be target of Envy motivation since he fit the "seemingly most effective combatant" qualification, but I have no clue why His Lorship would envy the target besides that. Or have Wrath motivation for everyone either since none of them did anything to make him angry. So I was considering switching it to Lust motivation for reincarnated wizard. But I don't know if that makes sense either.

So basically I'm wondering what I can do to make second part more interesting for players so they don't feel that reasons a character is being stalked doesn't make sense?

If you've already started with the Envy motivation and have revealed that to the players, stick with it. If you haven't yet, feel free to change to another if you want.

But remember, the guy's crazy. He doesn't need to have a sane, well-thought-out reason to be envious. The meta-game reason for this whole thing is to have there be a direct link to the PCs to help tie chapters 1 and 2 together but also to give the PCs additional motivation to seek the skinsaw man out, if only to prove that the guy's actually just obsessing and that their targeted PC has no real link to him.

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Yeah I haven't revealed it yet, they are currently exploring rest of Thistletop and about to find Malfeshnekor.

Anyway, yeah, thanks for advice. I was thinking way too much about his motivations...

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James Jacobs wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Have fun tomorrow Directorsaur! I'll misse you! ^w^
Whether or not I'll be playing Dark Souls III tomorrow or not depends 100% on when Amazon decides to ship my copy—currently it's scheduled to be delivered on Thursday for some reason. I'm not taking any time off from work to play it, in any event.

Oh, I'm sorry.

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Prestige Class spells.
I have a Wiz/Clr/Theurge
Hero Labs is telling me I get the free spells for Wizard Spell research, but the general consensus is that ability is lost when moving to the Prestige Class.

I always figured the character still had time to research spells even after switching, but who knows?

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Jokem wrote:

Prestige Class spells.

I have a Wiz/Clr/Theurge
Hero Labs is telling me I get the free spells for Wizard Spell research, but the general consensus is that ability is lost when moving to the Prestige Class.

I always figured the character still had time to research spells even after switching, but who knows?

Not really seeing a question there... but I'll answer the implied question anyway.

The property of learning new spells when a wizard gains a level is a property of the wizard's spellbook, which remains a part of the character regardless of how he multiclasses. As a result,this ability (technically granted at 1st level) continues to function just fine as the wizard gains wizard spellcasting levels, regardless of if those increases to wizard spellcasting come from wizard levels or prestige class levels.

(AKA Gaining two new spells when gaining a wizard level is HARDLY game breaking. Hero Lab has the spirit of the game 100% correct in allowing a prestige class wizard to continue gaining spells in that way.)

Of course, your GM is the one who gets to make the call as to how it works in your game.

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Jokem wrote:

Prestige Class spells.

I have a Wiz/Clr/Theurge
Hero Labs is telling me I get the free spells for Wizard Spell research, but the general consensus is that ability is lost when moving to the Prestige Class.

I always figured the character still had time to research spells even after switching, but who knows?

Not really seeing a question there... but I'll answer the implied question anyway.

The property of learning new spells when a wizard gains a level is a property of the wizard's spellbook, which remains a part of the character regardless of how he multiclasses. As a result,this ability (technically granted at 1st level) continues to function just fine as the wizard gains wizard spellcasting levels, regardless of if those increases to wizard spellcasting come from wizard levels or prestige class levels.

(AKA Gaining two new spells when gaining a wizard level is HARDLY game breaking. Hero Lab has the spirit of the game 100% correct in allowing a prestige class wizard to continue gaining spells in that way.)

Of course, your GM is the one who gets to make the call as to how it works in your game.

This is for PFS, so an 'official' answer is needed and I think I have one.

Thanks for answering my 'implied' question.


Hey James, Cloverfield Lane just premiered in my town and I'm thinking about taking my girlfriend to see it. I've been slowly introducing her to horror movies in general (we loved The Witch) but she strongly dislikes depictions of violence against women. The trailer implies an abusive relationship between the characters, so my question to you is: Without spoiling the story, does the movie contain trigger scenes, themes of sexual violence and such? Would you recommend it for a somewhat newcomer to the horror genre?

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Jokem wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Jokem wrote:

Prestige Class spells.

I have a Wiz/Clr/Theurge
Hero Labs is telling me I get the free spells for Wizard Spell research, but the general consensus is that ability is lost when moving to the Prestige Class.

I always figured the character still had time to research spells even after switching, but who knows?

Not really seeing a question there... but I'll answer the implied question anyway.

The property of learning new spells when a wizard gains a level is a property of the wizard's spellbook, which remains a part of the character regardless of how he multiclasses. As a result,this ability (technically granted at 1st level) continues to function just fine as the wizard gains wizard spellcasting levels, regardless of if those increases to wizard spellcasting come from wizard levels or prestige class levels.

(AKA Gaining two new spells when gaining a wizard level is HARDLY game breaking. Hero Lab has the spirit of the game 100% correct in allowing a prestige class wizard to continue gaining spells in that way.)

Of course, your GM is the one who gets to make the call as to how it works in your game.

This is for PFS, so an 'official' answer is needed and I think I have one.

Thanks for answering my 'implied' question.

Actaully, for PFS questions, you need to ask the PFS boards. I don't make rulings for PFS, and using rulings I make is as likely to cause more confusion and frustration if a GM doesn't agree with the ruling as anything else. Which is one of the PRIMARY reasons I avoid answering strict rules questions on this thread... I get tired of hearing about how my answers are causing strife in games where GMs feel like a player is going above their head or in PFS games where they're trying to maintain a level playing field. It's very frustrating when folks "trick" me on this thread by getting me to answer rules questions and then use them as validation in PFS or even as ammunition against their own GM's authority. Now and then, I relent and answer a question, and it never seems like it's long before someone betrays that trust and does something like this. Even if it's unintentional, it's still kind of dishonest and frustrating.

So... if folks DO have PFS questions, ask them on the PFS boards. You'll save all of us... me, you, your GM, and more... a lot of frustration.

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Rune wrote:
Hey James, Cloverfield Lane just premiered in my town and I'm thinking about taking my girlfriend to see it. I've been slowly introducing her to horror movies in general (we loved The Witch) but she strongly dislikes depictions of violence against women. The trailer implies an abusive relationship between the characters, so my question to you is: Without spoiling the story, does the movie contain trigger scenes, themes of sexual violence and such? Would you recommend it for a somewhat newcomer to the horror genre?

10 Cloverfield Lane is a great movie in that regard; the heroine does face some harrowing scenes, but she is VERY much the heroine of the movie and is never once played as a victim. She's smart, resourceful, quick-witted, and admirable; one of the best leads in a horror movie for a woman in a long time, in fact. The danger she faces is real, but the fact that she faces it head on makes her all the more awesome of a character.

There's no actual sexual violence in the movie (but the implied threat of it does provide one of the ongoing building dread elements of the movie).


How would you describe the difference between how fey think and how humanoids think?
Fey morality is so alien, any suggestions on how to play it in Golarion?

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So regardless of what I end up doing with His Lordship/Skinsaw Man, I'm kinda considering having Aldern Foxglove make another appearance since I think players might have completely forgotten who he was. While that is fun as well, I'll ask this in case: so Aldern gets Vorel's Phage after a week and he does have time to get to Magnimar before dying from it. Does he have time for trip to Sandpoint before that?

Also, now that I think of him, what happens to his three manservants anyway? Does he just dismiss them at Magnimar? Where did he get them anyway, were they family servants or did he just hire them at Sandpoint for the hunting trip?


James Jacobs wrote:


The fact that the prisoners continue to thrive despite the fact that the government's sealed the bottom levels off is indeed something that's increasingly puzzling and worrying the guards. There are any number of ways that the sealed levels can continue to gain food and water (and even air), including (but not limited to)...

** spoiler omitted **

I do have in mind a few more details on what's going on in the self-sustaining prison levels that are sealed away down there, but I'm not really ready to reveal what they are yet; the Hells is one of those areas I hope some day to do a bit more about, personally, and I don't want to spoil all the secrets now.

But I will say this, at least half of the explanations in the spoiler text above are accurate for the Hells.

If you want to expand the region for your own game, feel free to run with any or all of the reasons above.

As for Thassilon, the books where we've talked a bit about Thassilon and elements from it include, but are not limited to...
...

Nice those details really help, and I hope that some day you do get to do something with that. The Hells was really one of the things in the Magnimar book that I want to do something with in the future.

Do you have any idea how long it could be? 1-2-3-? years?

Ok thanks :-) I think I'll buy some of the AP pdfs when my budget allows.


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James Jacobs wrote:
Jokem wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Jokem wrote:

Prestige Class spells.

I have a Wiz/Clr/Theurge
Hero Labs is telling me I get the free spells for Wizard Spell research, but the general consensus is that ability is lost when moving to the Prestige Class.

I always figured the character still had time to research spells even after switching, but who knows?

Not really seeing a question there... but I'll answer the implied question anyway.

The property of learning new spells when a wizard gains a level is a property of the wizard's spellbook, which remains a part of the character regardless of how he multiclasses. As a result,this ability (technically granted at 1st level) continues to function just fine as the wizard gains wizard spellcasting levels, regardless of if those increases to wizard spellcasting come from wizard levels or prestige class levels.

(AKA Gaining two new spells when gaining a wizard level is HARDLY game breaking. Hero Lab has the spirit of the game 100% correct in allowing a prestige class wizard to continue gaining spells in that way.)

Of course, your GM is the one who gets to make the call as to how it works in your game.

This is for PFS, so an 'official' answer is needed and I think I have one.

Thanks for answering my 'implied' question.

Actaully, for PFS questions, you need to ask the PFS boards. I don't make rulings for PFS, and using rulings I make is as likely to cause more confusion and frustration if a GM doesn't agree with the ruling as anything else. Which is one of the PRIMARY reasons I avoid answering strict rules questions on this thread... I get tired of hearing about how my answers are causing strife in games where GMs feel like a player is going above their head or in PFS games where they're trying to maintain a level playing field. It's very frustrating when folks "trick" me on this thread by getting me to answer rules questions and then use them as validation in PFS or even as ammunition against their own GM's...

If I understand the question correctly, then ther is a FAQ for that.

FAQ wrote:

Prestige Classes and Spellcasters: Does a wizard (or other character that uses a spellbook), receive bonus spells to add to his spellbook when he gains a level in a prestige class that grants an increase to spellcasting?

No. The increase to his spellcasting level does not grant any other benefits, except for spells per day, spells known (for spontaneous casters), and an increase to his overall caster level. He must spend time and gold to add new spells to his spellbook

Not to step on your toes, James.


Hi Mr. Jacobs!
Recently I'm seeing the Ongoing Subscription... I would be bedridden, but there is one thing that puzzles me: I live in Italy, so what would amount the total shipping costs? Moreover, what would take the delivery time?


James Jacobs wrote:

10 Cloverfield Lane is a great movie in that regard; the heroine does face some harrowing scenes, but she is VERY much the heroine of the movie and is never once played as a victim. She's smart, resourceful, quick-witted, and admirable; one of the best leads in a horror movie for a woman in a long time, in fact. The danger she faces is real, but the fact that she faces it head on makes her all the more awesome of a character.

There's no actual sexual violence in the movie (but the implied threat of it does provide one of the ongoing building dread elements of the movie).

Thanks JJ. I myself have returned to the horror genre following your many indications here on the boards and so that's a double thank you.

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How would you describe the difference between how fey think and how humanoids think?

Fey morality is so alien, any suggestions on how to play it in Golarion?

Fey are more individual-minded, more emotional about their decisions, and less worried about the repercussions of what they do. The first world is in a lot of ways the Material Plane but "MORE" and so just think of fey as going big with the way they think.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that "fey morality is alien" but on Golarion, fey certainly don't see those who dwell on the Material Plane as equals. Think of how someone might treat a wild animal in the world. That's one way the fey treat us... as strange or cute or dangerous animals to be studied or domesticated or hunted.

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CorvusMask wrote:

So regardless of what I end up doing with His Lordship/Skinsaw Man, I'm kinda considering having Aldern Foxglove make another appearance since I think players might have completely forgotten who he was. While that is fun as well, I'll ask this in case: so Aldern gets Vorel's Phage after a week and he does have time to get to Magnimar before dying from it. Does he have time for trip to Sandpoint before that?

Also, now that I think of him, what happens to his three manservants anyway? Does he just dismiss them at Magnimar? Where did he get them anyway, were they family servants or did he just hire them at Sandpoint for the hunting trip?

If you want him to pay a return visit to Sandpoint, then yes, he has time for it.

His manservants were helpers he hired for his trip to Sandpoint and the planned hunting trip.

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Ed Reppert wrote:
Are all cavaliers knights? They all belong to some knightly order, right?

"Knight" is not a word that has an in-game definition, so I'll take it to mean the classic "eurocentric guy on a horse in armor." In that definition, no, absolutely not all cavaliers are knights. Some are samurai. Some are nomadic horseback riders. Some are army officers. Etc.

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James is there a connection between Elohims and Elder Things?

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Snowsarn wrote:

Nice those details really help, and I hope that some day you do get to do something with that. The Hells was really one of the things in the Magnimar book that I want to do something with in the future.

Do you have any idea how long it could be? 1-2-3-? years?

Ok thanks :-) I think I'll buy some of the AP pdfs when my budget allows.

At this point, if you're waiting for me to write up something official, you'll be disappointed. It's not something I see myself getting the chance to do much with for many years, but the further out time gets the more impossible it is to predict.

It won't be this year and I'd be STUNNED if it was next year. Beyond that, still doubtful but it's a lot less set in stone.

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Tels wrote:

Not to step on your toes, James.

No worries; thanks for the post. Obviously I disagree with that FAQ ruling. I'll be ignoring that FAQ in games I run.

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Aurelio 90 wrote:

Hi Mr. Jacobs!

Recently I'm seeing the Ongoing Subscription... I would be bedridden, but there is one thing that puzzles me: I live in Italy, so what would amount the total shipping costs? Moreover, what would take the delivery time?

I have no idea. You'd need to ask Customer Service about those questions.

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ulgulanoth wrote:
James is there a connection between Elohims and Elder Things?

Yes.

They both get alphabetized under the letter "E".

That is all.


Dunno if you answered this already, but did you see The Witch? Was it good? Did you enjoy it? If so, why?

I have not seen it, but I care not about spoilers.

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Kryzbyn wrote:

Dunno if you answered this already, but did you see The Witch? Was it good? Did you enjoy it? If so, why?

I have not seen it, but I care not about spoilers.

I very much did enjoy it, despite it having some of the most disrespectfully noisy and obnoxious chuckleheads I've had the "pleasure" to share a theater with in recent years.

I enjoyed it because it was one of my favorite genres of horror movie—the slow burn horror movie. It's DRIPPING with atmosphere, has incredible acting, the dialogue feels unusually authentic to the period, and it's genuinely scary and disturbing, with a few reveals that are downright chilling in their imagery or implications.


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James Jacobs wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
Are all cavaliers knights? They all belong to some knightly order, right?
"Knight" is not a word that has an in-game definition, so I'll take it to mean the classic "eurocentric guy on a horse in armor." In that definition, no, absolutely not all cavaliers are knights. Some are samurai. Some are nomadic horseback riders. Some are army officers. Etc.

A knight is a person granted an honorary title of knighthood by a monarch or other political leader for service to the monarch or country, especially in a military capacity. Samurai are knights, as may be army officers. In a monarchy, all nobles are not necessarily knights, though any of them could be. What prompted the question is the... dissonance, to me, in Alain's being apparently not a knight — he ran away from home to avoid having to become a squire, which is the, or at least a, normal route to knighthood. Yet he bears (heraldic) arms, as evidenced by the design on his shield. So... do such devices, on Golarion signify anything other than a desire to paint something on a shield? Can anyone do that, or are there restrictions? Or is this something just not considered in Pathfinder or the Golarion setting?

Cavaliers are members of orders. What is an order, on Golarion?

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Ed Reppert wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
Are all cavaliers knights? They all belong to some knightly order, right?
"Knight" is not a word that has an in-game definition, so I'll take it to mean the classic "eurocentric guy on a horse in armor." In that definition, no, absolutely not all cavaliers are knights. Some are samurai. Some are nomadic horseback riders. Some are army officers. Etc.

A knight is a person granted an honorary title of knighthood by a monarch or other political leader for service to the monarch or country, especially in a military capacity. Samurai are knights, as may be army officers. In a monarchy, all nobles are not necessarily knights, though any of them could be. What prompted the question is the... dissonance, to me, in Alain's being apparently not a knight — he ran away from home to avoid having to become a squire, which is the, or at least a, normal route to knighthood. Yet he bears (heraldic) arms, as evidenced by the design on his shield. So... do such devices, on Golarion signify anything other than a desire to paint something on a shield? Can anyone do that, or are there restrictions? Or is this something just not considered in Pathfinder or the Golarion setting?

Cavaliers are members of orders. What is an order, on Golarion?

The cavalier's banner abilities are tied to the design he wears on his shield, be it a coat of arms or a holy symbol or whatever. You don't have to be a cavalier to carry such a symbol, and other classes use these symbols for other power sources, but only cavaliers have the "banner" ability.

An "order" is a group of cavaliers. It's a group of military-trained soldiers who focus their training on mounted combat and teamwork, on organizing others to fight as a team, and on excelling in combat against specific foes they have challenged of selected as a personal enemy.

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Is there a convenient list somewhere which Bestiary monsters are based on Lovecraft's work? Failing that, could you be bothered to list as many as you feel like remembering off the top of your head?

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Samy wrote:
Is there a convenient list somewhere which Bestiary monsters are based on Lovecraft's work? Failing that, could you be bothered to list as many as you feel like remembering off the top of your head?

There is not yet, although a relatively complete list will appear somewhere in Horror Adventures.

In the meantime... here's the "top of my head" list of monsters that were directly taken from Lovecraft or at the very least very heavily influenced by his writings (with one or two from his fellow pulp authors thrown in).

BESTIARY 1: Ghoul/Ghast (the D&D/Pathfinder link between ghouls and ghasts is directly from Lovecraft, particularly from his novella "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath"), shoggoth

BESTIARY 2: denizen of Leng, gug, hound of Tindalos (from Frank Belknap Long), Leng spider, shantak, wendigo (this takes a fair amount of inspiration from Algernon Blackwood AND from the Call of Cthulhu game), worm that walks (never directly in Lovecraft's stories, but implied and picked up by Chaosium, which was later picked up by Wizards of the Coast in their d20 version of Call of Cthulhu, and then moved from there into the Epic Level Handbook and thus into the SRD which is why we are able to use the monster in Pathfinder)

BESTIARY 3: moon-beast, voonith, yithian, zoog, zuvembe (from Robert E. Howard)

BESTIARY 4: bhole, colour out of space, Dagon (peripherally), elder thing, flying polyp, Bokrug, Cthulhu, Hastur (Ambrose Bierce and later Robert W. Chambers), mi-go, nightgaunt, ratling, spawn of Yog-Sothoth, star-spawn of Cthulhu

BESTIARY 5: deep one, elder deep one, deep one hybrid, Leng ghoul (this is a more accurate version of Lovecraft's ghoul)

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In addition, there are the dimensional shambler, gnoph-keh, and dark young of Shub-Niggurath (all found in Pathfinder Adventure Path #46: Wake of the Watcher). Produced with Chaosium's permission, they won't be reprinted in a hardcover anytime soon.

The moits of Shub-Niggurath (from the same issue) are an entirely new Paizo creation, albeit obviously based on Lovecraft's work. ^_^

Now to think of a question...

Are there any Lovecraftian monsters you still want to see added to Pathfinder? If so, what are they?

Thank you!

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Thank you! I had no idea about the ghoul/ghast thing and that worm that walks anecdote is super-interesting!

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Is the neo-otyugh (as opposed to the regular otyugh) owned by Wizards?

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